GE Exit Poll 10 pm

JohnnyFlash

markodaly wrote: »

100%

The SF vote was a protest vote, its like the wind, here today, gone tomorrow.
If SF go into government, then that vote will dissappear because they over promised on everything.

Another election or a FF/SF/ANO coalition.

As a FG voter I’d be good with either.

limnam

Martin Lanigan wrote: »

Yet you are here defending the indefensible.

Cancelling kids chemo.

That's indefensible.

Cracking job Simon Harris.

limnam

Martin Lanigan wrote: »

Rubbish like you claiming not to support or vote for SF?

What would be the point to lie?

I'm not the one that created a second account a week ago.

What are you hiding.

Martin Lanigan

limnam wrote: »

Cancelling kids chemo.

That's indefensible.

Cracking job Simon Harris.

Keep defending a racist anti-Semite, a great look.

limnam

Martin Lanigan wrote: »

Keep defending a racist anti-Semite, a great look.

Where did I defend her?

limnam

Martin Lanigan wrote: »

Keep defending a racist anti-Semite, a great look.

Not as great as a young woman's life cut short because someone wanted to cut a corner.

Martin Lanigan

limnam wrote: »

What would be the point to lie?

I'm not the one that created a second account a week ago.

What are you hiding.

Can you honestly claim to not be a SF supporter and voter when you have posted dozens of posts defending scrounger Violet-Anne and now defend racist anti-Semite Reada Cronin? Seriously?

This is my only account. I signed up to express my opinions on SF and their unsuitable candidates.

Martin Lanigan

limnam wrote: »

Not as great as a young woman's life cut short because someone wanted to cut a corner.

Any evidence to back up this accusation?

limnam

Martin Lanigan wrote: »

Can you honestly claim to not be a SF supporter and voter when you have posted dozens of posts defending scrounger Violet-Anne and now defend racist anti-Semite Reada Cronin? Seriously?

I suggested there might be more to the Violet-Anne situation.

I didn't defend Reada what are you waffling about.

Martin Lanigan wrote: »

This is my only account. I signed up to express my opinions on SF and their unsuitable candidates.

22 years it's here and this election you decide to start an account?

Pull the other one pal

Martin Lanigan

limnam wrote: »

I suggested there might be more to the Violet-Anne situation.

I didn't defend Reada what are you waffling about.



22 years it's here and this election you decide to start an account?

Pull the other one pal

What are you talking about buddy? 22 years of what?

It took you dozens of posts to suggest there might be more to the Violet-Anne situation? Spell it out if there is.

You have numerous whataboutery posts in this thread attempting to deflect from discussion of Cronin and her offensive tweets.

limnam

Martin Lanigan wrote: »

What are you talking about buddy? 22 years of what?

It took you dozens of posts to suggest there might be more to the Violet-Anne situation? Spell it out if there is.

You have numerous whataboutery posts in this thread attempting to deflect from discussion of Cronin and her offensive tweets.

it's a discussion forum.

I was discussing. Never defended her.

limnam

jcullen222 wrote: »

Where do we go from here? Mary Lou as Taoiseach?

I imagine it'll be FF/FG/G early April.

limnam

jcullen222 wrote: »

Can’t see it, the people voted for SF change and that government won’t sit.

It's that or back to polls.

No way is Martin going in after the ranting today. Not a chance.

Rainbow not happening.

SafeSurfer

maccored wrote: »

so you do think the brits were fighting themselves is what you are claiming. yes? you do realise how stupid that sounds?

Do you believe that every intelligence infiltration of an enemy force essentially means they are “fighting themselves”?

In a society where access to libraries is free, such ignorance is inexcusable.

owlbethere

My first preference voting in the general election was for FF. I would be fairly furious and p1ssed off if FF went into government with FG. I know FF and FG are nearly the same and I suppose it does make sense for them to join up to go into government. I would be mad because FG has spent years pointing their fingers and reminding the public about how bad FF were (when a lot of it was a global economy and FG being rubbish in opposition). I would at least like FGs leader to make a public apology to FF, failing that maybe answer some questions why they would like to go into government with a party that they had so much distain for.

JohnnyFlash

jcullen222 wrote: »

Do you think there’s a chance FF will just say fu** it and go in with SF?

Ciara Kelly wrote an excellent article in the Sindo last week about this. FF are now playing with their very existence.

FF were once the party of everyone and every man. The party of the farmer, the working class Dub, the builder, and the small business owner. That sort of populism won't wash these days as SF have temporarily taken over that centre left posture that the electorate find attractive.

FG are the party who are elected when populism results in making the country bankrupt. Happened under Lynch, Haughey and Ahern lead governments. People tut and moan, and vote in FG to sort it out. I wouldn't even blame FF that much. They do good stuff when in government. Populism always catches up with you though. It's unsustainable. You cannot keep everyone happy.

FG can easily pivot back to a centre-right position. That's what their core vote wants tbh.

So now we have SF preaching populism on the left, and FG going back into opposition to preach the virtues of fiscal conservatism. Where is FF in all this? Floundering around in the middle liked a beached whale.

That's why FF want another election. The dealer has offered them another card.

Loafing Oaf

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

That's why FF want another election. The dealer has offered them another card.

What is giving you the impression FF want another election? I don't see how it
would improve things for them.

Micheal Martin certainly doesn't as he would not be leading the party into it and would never be taoiseach.

limnam

jcullen222 wrote: »

Do you think there’s a chance FF will just say fu** it and go in with SF?

I thought there might be before yesterday

But that clash between the two yesterday is hard to come back from I'd say.

Loafing Oaf

limnam wrote: »

I thought there might be before yesterday

But that clash between the two yesterday is hard to come back from I'd say.

Would have to be a different leader at least, and I don't see enough active enthusiasm within FF for a deal with SF to make that happen...

robwen

Who voted for Martin for taoiseach apart from FF?

LeinsterDub

jcullen222 wrote: »

Can’t see it, the people voted for SF change and that government won’t sit.

The government would have a majority of seats and percentage of 1st preferences. Why wouldn't it sit?

Loafing Oaf

robwen wrote: »

Who voted for Martin for taoiseach apart from FF?

I'm guessing Healy Raes and/or some of the other gene poolers...

golfball37

robwen wrote: »

Who voted for Martin for taoiseach apart from FF?

Sean Canney, Noel Grealish, Cathal Berry and Michael McNamara.

Loafing Oaf

golfball37 wrote: »

Sean Canney, Noel Grealish, Cathal Berry and Michael McNamara.

Maybe signalling their willingness to support an FG/FF government

efanton

limnam wrote: »

I thought there might be before yesterday

But that clash between the two yesterday is hard to come back from I'd say.

My thinking on this is that it was a deliberate ploy by Mehole Martin himself.

there are lots of FF TD's and party members who would contemplate a coalition with SF. By putting himself in a position where it would be almost possible for him to come back from, he has in effect stuck two fingers up to a section of the FF party by saying if you want a FF/SF coalition you will have to find a new party leader first.

Basically he has burned bridges that some of his party might have considered using, and mostly for personal gain. He knows this is his last chance to be Taoiseach and he is going make damn sure there can be no challenge to his leadership or a potential coalition with FG. In order for FF to now consider any coalition with SF they will first have to replace their leader, and he knows this is the worst possible time for the FF party to consider such an action

The man that claims to be the biggest democrat in Ireland has in effect stifled democratic choice within his own party. Hypocrisy at its best.

flutered

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Ciara Kelly wrote an excellent article in the Sindo last week about this. FF are now playing with their very existence.

FF were once the party of everyone and every man. The party of the farmer, the working class Dub, the builder, and the small business owner. That sort of populism won't wash these days as SF have temporarily taken over that centre left posture that the electorate find attractive.

FG are the party who are elected when populism results in making the country bankrupt. Happened under Lynch, Haughey and Ahern lead governments. People tut and moan, and vote in FG to sort it out. I wouldn't even blame FF that much. They do good stuff when in government. Populism always catches up with you though. It's unsustainable. You cannot keep everyone happy.

FG can easily pivot back to a centre-right position. That's what their core vote wants tbh.

So now we have SF preaching populism on the left, and FG going back into opposition to preach the virtues of fiscal conservatism. Where is FF in all this? Floundering around in the middle liked a beached whale.

That's why FF want another election. The dealer has offered them another card.

can ff, or fg for that matter afford another election

Idbatterim

limnam wrote: »

Cancelling kids chemo.

That's indefensible.

Cracking job Simon Harris.

Why was it cancelled ?

maccored

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Do you believe that every intelligence infiltration of an enemy force essentially means they are “fighting themselves”?

In a society where access to libraries is free, such ignorance is inexcusable.

Maybe you should check the library yourself. look up 'naive' or 'gullible' while you're there

limnam

Idbatterim wrote: »

Why was it cancelled ?

Bed shortages.

criminal.

McMurphy

Soc Dems officially rule themselves out from any FFG coalition.

https://twitter.com/NextIrishGE/status/1231165426211659776?s=19

GE2020 .2 is essentially a cert at this stage.