What have we come to

Cupatae

Foxtrol wrote: »

The current active republican groups are preying on the exact same type of disillusioned young people.

Do you have issues with them continuing their campaign?



Do you even understand how the warnings used to work, they were incredibly basic and regularly failed?

You're really twisting yourself in knots here. 'Economic damage' is incredibly callous, they targeted pubs, shops, and offices. Those literally fall under the definition of war crimes.

You know how you avoid killing innocent people, don't target where they drink, shop, or work.



Why? These questions have nothing to do with the point I was responding to. I'm discussing their actions, not ideologies. Just because someone believes they are right doesn't justify their actions.

Those questions have everything to do with it, you just nit pick at there actions as it suits your own agenda,

What current campaign are you referring too? i believe there has been peace in the north for quiet sometime now. You are bouncing thru timelines aswell to suit yourself...

Oh please war crimes...spare us! the same people that want to enforce such things break those laws on the regular, its rich talking about war crimes and the british... i suppose you think the famine was a natural disaster aswell?

At the root of it all though who caused the IRA? that lead to the conflict that lead to the deaths of those innocent people? As far as i can see thats where the blame should be squarely placed the blood is on there hands.

Cupatae

quokula wrote: »

Interesting how SF supporters on this thread have gradually gone from "it's all about housing and SF are a legitimate party" to literally defending the murder of civilians.

Happens when you ve FF and FG using murders as a stick to attack SF. About the only time those lot give a **** about those murders.

smurgen

Cupatae wrote: »

Happens when you ve FF and FG using murders as a stick to attack SF. About the only time those lot give a **** about those murders.

Yeah it also helps detract from the 4, homeless people dead in the last 8 days on Irish streets. Has anyone heard from Eoghan Murphy?

lawrencesummers

smurgen wrote: »

Yeah it also helps detract from the 4, homeless people dead in the last 8 days on Irish streets. Has anyone heard from Eoghan Murphy?

Credit where credit is due, when SFIRA kill people it’s swift, FFG pursue a policy of slowly degrading their victims over a number of years before allowing them to freeze to death outdoors.

quokula

Cupatae wrote: »

Happens when you ve FF and FG using murders as a stick to attack SF. About the only time those lot give a **** about those murders.

So just to be clear

Having a murderous history: OK no big deal

Pointing out somebody else’s murderous history: how dare they

smurgen

Has anything positive come out of Fine Gael at all since before the election? Surely the best way to win back voters would be to tackle issues, give people hope and come up with fast track plans.all they've done is attack non stop and slur large parts of the electorate.

Jinglejangle69

smurgen wrote: »

Has anything positive come out of Fine Gael at all since before the election? Surely the best way to win back voters would be to tackle issues, give people hope and come up with fast track plans.all they've done is attack non stop and slur large parts of the electorate.

They got the boot.

Voted out for their failures.

And now you think they can tackle issues???

Cupatae

quokula wrote: »

So just to be clear

Having a murderous history: OK no big deal

Pointing out somebody else’s murderous history: how dare they

Using those murders to further there own agenda while at the back of it all not really giving a **** about those murders any other time is what i have a problem with.

Similar to how there supporters are using it on here yano? as a stick?

ScallionAyter

smurgen wrote: »

Yeah it also helps detract from the 4, homeless people dead in the last 8 days on Irish streets. Has anyone heard from Eoghan Murphy?

What did they die from? Coronavirus?

Cupatae

ScallionAyter wrote: »

What did they die from? Coronavirus?

An incurable disease called "Homelessness"

smurgen

ScallionAyter wrote: »

What did they die from? Coronavirus?

Apathy

sameoldname

Cupatae wrote: »

An incurable disease called "Homelessness"

smurgen wrote: »

Apathy

So what, you two think that SF are going to stop homeless people from sleeping rough and dying? How are they going to stop these people from leaving the shelters so they can get high? Kneecappings?

ScallionAyter

Cupatae wrote: »

An incurable disease called "Homelessness"

You can't take a chronic heroin addict and just give them the keys to a free gaf. How do you think they ended up on the streets in the first place?

smurgen

sameoldname wrote: »

So what, you two think that SF are going to stop homeless people from sleeping rough and dying? How are they going to stop these people from leaving the shelters so they can get high? Kneecappings?

Defensive much?

Cupatae

ScallionAyter wrote: »

You can't take a chronic heroin addict and just give them the keys to a free gaf. How do you think they ended up on the streets in the first place?

were they heroin addicts?

ScallionAyter

Cupatae wrote: »

were they heroin addicts?

I'd say they were. Normal run of the mill stuff doesn't make the news headlines. Heroin addict dies....nobody shocked.

sameoldname

smurgen wrote: »

Defensive much?

I'm not on here claiming that my favoured political party is going to prevent deaths. It's not defensiveness, it's incredulity.

olestoepoke

ScallionAyter wrote: »

You can't take a chronic heroin addict and just give them the keys to a free gaf. How do you think they ended up on the streets in the first place?

It was just this type of ill informed nonsense that lost fg the election. Homelessness was traditionally a problem with drug addicts and alcoholics etc but is much more than that in Ireland today. But hey jump straight to heroin addicts is it makes you feel better.

Jinglejangle69

Remember Johnathan Corrie??

Had 2 houses given 2 him but still ended up dying on the streets.

His daughter said they reached out many times to him but he had no interest.

How anyone can blame Eoghan Murphy for his death is beyond me.

Didn't stop SF and the other parties using him as a political football.

Its like a game of chess with these opposition parties.

Erica Fleming appeared at a SF Ard Fhies if my memory serves me well.

Cupatae

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Remember Johnathan Corrie??

Had 2 houses given 2 him but still ended up dying on the streets.

His daughter said they reached out many times to him but he had no interest.

How anyone can blame Eoghan Murphy for his death is beyond me.

Didn't stop SF and the other parties using him as a political football.

Its like a game of chess with these opposition parties.

Erica Fleming appeared at a SF Ard Fhies if my memory serves me well.

Perhaps give them care and a foundation to build from first rather than throwing houses at em. You know treat the root cause rather than the symptoms.

Jinglejangle69

olestoepoke wrote: »

It was just this type of ill informed nonsense that lost fg the election. Homelessness was traditionally a problem with drug addicts and alcoholics etc but is much more than that in Ireland today. But hey jump straight to heroin addicts is it makes you feel better.

Homelessness is people on the streets, not people been put up in hotels free of charge waiting for a free house.

Currently there is approx 150 homeless as in on the streets in Dublin.

The lowest in Europe for a capital.

sameoldname

olestoepoke wrote: »

It was just this type of ill informed nonsense that lost fg the election. Homelessness was traditionally a problem with drug addicts and alcoholics etc but is much more than that in Ireland today. But hey jump straight to heroin addicts is it makes you feel better.

No! How many times!? Homeless means they don't own a home or rent a home. It does not mean they are out on the street! These people have places they can stay, they choose to sleep rough. I'm not blaming them for making that choice or the choices that led them to the situation they are in. But I'm not going to have people act like SF are going to be able to prevent people dying while sleeping rough unless they plan to take away their liberties. Do they plan to take away their liberties?

Cupatae

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Homelessness is people on the streets, not people been put up in hotels free of charge waiting for a free house.

Currently there is approx 150 homeless as in on the streets in Dublin.

The lowest in Europe for a capital.

I love this "The lowest in Europe for a capital" or for other things "The 2nd highest in the EU"

As if it makes it all grand lol

olestoepoke

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Homelessness is people on the streets, not people been put up in hotels free of charge waiting for a free house.

Currently there is approx 150 homeless as in on the streets in Dublin.

The lowest in Europe for a capital.

Wow, this is a wind up surely.

Jinglejangle69

Cupatae wrote: »

Perhaps give them care and a foundation to build from first rather than throwing houses at em. You know treat the root cause rather than the symptoms.

His family gave him the 2 houses.

There is support for anyone who needs it and is willing to accept it in this country.

After that all you can do is physically restrain someone from hurting themselves.

Jinglejangle69

olestoepoke wrote: »

Wow, this is a wind up surely.

Which part specifically?

Cupatae

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

His family gave him the 2 houses.

There is support for anyone who needs it and is willing to accept it in this country.

After that all you can do is physically restrain someone from hurting themselves.

fair enough.

olestoepoke

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Which part specifically?

Everything you said unfortunately

smurgen

God damn homeless people dying on mass and making the government look bad!!!

Jinglejangle69

Cupatae wrote: »

I love this "The lowest in Europe for a capital" or for other things "The 2nd highest in the EU"

As if it makes it all grand lol

Who said its grand?

Not one country has solved people sleeping on the streets.

Lets be realistic here, if not there will never be a solution.

There has been homeless people for 100s of years in every country.

Expecting Eoghan Murphy to solve it all is absolute pie in the sky nonsense.