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    #1052
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,148 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    endainoz wrote: »
    It could have been easier for SF to go and attack FFs or FGs dodgy history but they didn't and it was the smart move.

    What? SF attacked FF & FG 'history' the last few months and it seems to have worked.


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    #1053
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    B0jangles wrote: »
    Why are so many people finding it impossible to ever manage to buy a house? To afford childcare? To access healthcare?


    These are people with solid careers, good professional qualifications, these are hardworking families with two incomes - but yeah; it's so much easier to handwave all these people as lifelong dolers looking for a free 'foreva home'.

    Buying a house is tough but far from impossible. I bought a house in Navan for 260000. With HTB, that’s a 13000 deposit. It’s not impossible for a couple to save 13k. 500pm for 2 years. Less if you save over 3 or 4.


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    #1054
    endainoz
    Registered Users Posts: 5,053 ✭✭✭endainoz


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    What? SF attacked FF & FG 'history' the last few months and it seems to have worked.

    History in government yeah, like they were supposed to, it was an election. The other history was ignored.


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    #1055
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    bubblypop wrote: »
    newly appointed TD in Wexford shouting 'up the ra' in his celebration speech

    classy. this is actually what people have voted for

    Did the elected TD actually shout that or was it his supporters?


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    #1056
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,202 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    DUP walked away from the deal and SF refused to renegotiate.

    When?

    Did the SoS calling out the DUP as the obstacle to a deal pass you by?
    If FG and the EU had the same response to Britain walking away from agreements multiple times there'd have been a crash out Brexit.

    FG NEVER at any stage were involved in talks as the FG party. Negotiations were always handled by the EU.

    Deal in facts please.


    What did they achieve during 2 years sitting on their arses because they were acting like children and wouldn't renegotiate?

    So now being continuously returned by an electorate is a reward for doing a good job?
    It's a darn sight more than FG have managed to do is it not?
    I presume you also feel FFFG being the largest parties in the state for decades was due to them being 'rewarded' for their performance, rather than any other factors :rolleyes:

    Ask yourself what happened when anyone got a mandate to go into government here. Or ask the Greens or Labour.

    The reason you guys are losing your **** is because you know you are no longer dealing with a party that is only interested in the comfy seats and power for the sake of it.


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    #1057
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users Posts: 18,835 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    It's true they helped usher in an end to the troubles. Whether you feel they should be thanked or not is your own business.
    You realise they wouldn't be allowed share power with Unionists, but for the fighting?
    As I say your dissident view is in the minority thankfully.

    You are gas.
    The GFA was based on the Sunningdale agreement 1973 which SF did not even participate in. It was power sharing agreement

    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:h_V2Z19VJyUJ:https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/will-the-belfast-agreement-go-the-way-of-sunningdale-1.3307300+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie

    But SF had to wait 15 more years to cop themselves on - aren't they great lads altogether?

    Again I do not have a dissent view it is not in the minority - it is the majority.
    At least 50% mandated vote from ROI parties (FF FG Labour) said they would NOT go into government with SF. I know SF are not good at maths but still....

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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    #1058
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Did the elected TD actually shout that or was it his supporters?

    oh it was him, there is a video online...

    I will try to put in a link

    https://twitter.com/NI_ALLO?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor


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    #1059
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    You are gas.
    The GFA was based on the Sunningdale agreement 1973 which SF did not even participate in. It was power sharing agreement

    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:h_V2Z19VJyUJ:https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/will-the-belfast-agreement-go-the-way-of-sunningdale-1.3307300+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie

    But SF had to wait 15 more years to cop themselves on - aren't they great lads altogether?

    Again I do not have a dissent view it is not in the minority - it is the majority.
    At least 50% of the ROI parties who said they would NOT go into government with SF. I know SF are not good at maths but still....
    I know

    There would have been no peace with out Sinn Fein.
    I don't know what your point is. Some people don't want SF? I agree.


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    #1060
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    bubblypop wrote: »
    oh it was him, there is a video online...

    I will try to put in a link

    https://twitter.com/NI_ALLO?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

    ohh thats not tasteless and crass at all...


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    #1061
    storker
    Registered Users Posts: 5,679 ✭✭✭storker


    bubblypop wrote: »
    newly appointed TD in Wexford shouting 'up the ra' in his celebration speech

    classy. this is actually what people have voted for

    Ever-growing numbers of patients on trolleys. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Spiraling rents. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Businesses closing due to high insurance premiums. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Double-jobbing politicians milking the system. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Long commute times and inadequate public transport. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Expensive child care. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Both partners needing to work instead of choosing to. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Taoiseach and ministers point-scoring instead of answering Dail questions. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Problems being treated as PR problems instead of problems that effect peoples' lives. This is actually what people have voted for...

    ..etc


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    #1062
    Strumms
    Registered Users Posts: 25,502 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    bubblypop wrote: »
    oh it was him, there is a video online...

    I will try to put in a link

    https://twitter.com/NI_ALLO?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

    What a total cünt... and all his vermin constituency mates cheering that.

    Sorry, no, SF can fûck off.


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    #1063
    nigeldaniel
    Registered Users Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    Some voters are just so angry with everything to seek to lash out at any form of authority. Its happening all over the world people see the US France Europa as a whole and follow suit. Anger at neighbors' friends, work colleagues and anger at everyone in situ. Such anger is not good as people are not in control of their emotions and are doing damage as a result. Worse they are happy to do damage. The irony has been they tell themselves it is all for the best.

    Dan.



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    #1064
    storker
    Registered Users Posts: 5,679 ✭✭✭storker


    Strumms wrote: »
    What a total cünt... and all his vermin constituency mates cheering that.

    Sorry, no, SF can fûck off.

    If they don't put a lid on this kind of thing they'll be told just that at the next election, I suspect.


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    #1065
    Strumms
    Registered Users Posts: 25,502 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    ohh thats not tasteless and crass at all...

    It’s a look through the keyhole, that even through what’s meant to be a positive and celebratory moment, inclusive too even (yeah right) this fûckwit chooses to cheer on a terrorist bunch of murderers. I’ve never been so repulsed by the population of this country.


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    #1066
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users Posts: 18,835 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    storker wrote: »
    Ever-growing numbers of patients on trolleys. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Spiraling rents. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Businesses closing due to high insurance premiums. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Double-jobbing politicians milking the system. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Long commute times and inadequate public transport. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Expensive child care. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Both partners needing to work instead of choosing to. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Taoiseach and ministers point-scoring instead of answering Dail questions. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Problems being treated as PR problems instead of problems that effect peoples' lives. This is actually what people have voted for...

    ..etc

    That us all grand and all but SF have a history of not answering questions as well. I would be more inclined to ask this new SF TD why he felt the need to shout up the 'ra. And what his views are on the rule of law in this country and in NI.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1226921320866369536

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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    #1067
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,595 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    storker wrote: »
    Ever-growing numbers of patients on trolleys. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Spiraling rents. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Businesses closing due to high insurance premiums. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Double-jobbing politicians milking the system. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Long commute times and inadequate public transport. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Expensive child care. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Both partners needing to work instead of choosing to. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Taoiseach and ministers point-scoring instead of answering Dail questions. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Problems being treated as PR problems instead of problems that effect peoples' lives. This is actually what people have voted for...

    ..etc


    Don't forget
    Homeless numbers
    Proxy Voting
    Childcare
    Underfunded policing.


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    #1068
    storker
    Registered Users Posts: 5,679 ✭✭✭storker


    nigeldaniel wrote: »
    Some voters are just so angry with everything to seek to lash out at any form of authority. Its happening all over the world people see the US France Europa as a whole and follow suit. Anger at neighbors' friends, work colleagues and anger at everyone in situ. Such anger is not good as people are not in control of their emotions and are doing damage as a result. Worse they are happy to do damage. The irony has been they tell themselves it is all for the best.

    Thank you Doctor Crane. How about turning your penetrating gaze on what the mainstream politicians did to put people in that frame of mind?


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    #1069
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 56,380 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    storker wrote: »
    Ever-growing numbers of patients on trolleys. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Spiraling rents. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Businesses closing due to high insurance premiums. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Double-jobbing politicians milking the system. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Long commute times and inadequate public transport. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Expensive child care. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Both partners needing to work instead of choosing to. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Taoiseach and ministers point-scoring instead of answering Dail questions. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Problems being treated as PR problems instead of problems that effect peoples' lives. This is actually what people have voted for...

    ..etc

    A nonsense reply. Nobody votes for any of this..

    No matter who is in government at any time there will be countless issues and moaning and slating and giving out..

    If SF get into to power they too will be slated and slagged and criticised, just like those before them.

    Politics today is just a cesspool of combat and aggression...fuelled my morons on all sides! And all over social media.


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    #1070
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,595 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    That us all grand and all but SF have a history of not answering questions as well. I would be more inclined to ask this new SF TD why he felt the need to shout up the 'ra. And what his views are on the rule of law in this country and in NI.


    I would be more inclined to let them try and do what they have said they will do, and if they can't then they WILL get the boot the next time around.


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    #1071
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Strumms wrote: »
    It’s a look through the keyhole, that even through what’s meant to be a positive and celebratory moment, inclusive too even (yeah right) this fûckwit chooses to cheer on a terrorist bunch of murderers. I’ve never been so repulsed by the population of this country.

    wait till you see his response in the media... maybe tonight or tomorrow but its absolutely sick.


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    #1072
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    storker wrote: »
    Ever-growing numbers of patients on trolleys. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Spiraling rents. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Businesses closing due to high insurance premiums. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Double-jobbing politicians milking the system. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Long commute times and inadequate public transport. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Expensive child care. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Both partners needing to work instead of choosing to. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Taoiseach and ministers point-scoring instead of answering Dail questions. This is actually what people have voted for...

    Problems being treated as PR problems instead of problems that effect peoples' lives. This is actually what people have voted for...

    ..etc

    no,
    there are other parties to vote for other than Sinn Fein, this is actually what people have voted for.


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    #1073
    Strumms
    Registered Users Posts: 25,502 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    That us all grand and all but SF have a history of not answering questions as well. I would be more inclined to ask this new SF TD why he felt the need to shout up the 'ra. And what his views are on the rule of law in this country and in NI.

    Totally, that in this moment of supposed inclusive celebration he wants to celebrate and name check terrorists.. so you can imagine what his idea of ‘rule of law’ is, and public service.


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    #1074
    Zetor19
    Registered Users Posts: 155 ✭✭Zetor19


    That Wexford scumbag should be sacked before he gets a chance to get into the dail .


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    #1075
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,595 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    walshb wrote: »
    A nonsense reply. Nobody votes for any of this..

    No matter who is in government at any time there will be countless issues and moaning and slating and giving out..

    If SF get I to power they too will be skated and slagged and criticised, just like those before them.

    Very wrong. It might not be why you voted, but its why a lot of people did.


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    #1076
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,124 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    +1 , the left roundly celebrating 'the rejection of racism' in the polls, Atleast justin barret is transparant, SF hasn't thrown off those shackles as much as the army council instructed MLM to say that they have.

    "Ireland for the irish" is a NP slogan and a SF core belief.




    Absolute crap. SF are anti-racist, with historical links to parties in the middle east and Africa.
    https://youtu.be/ZkFAeruvv4s


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    #1077
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,202 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Strumms wrote: »
    Totally, that in this moment of supposed inclusive celebration he wants to celebrate and name check terrorists.. so you can imagine what his idea of ‘rule of law’ is, and public service.

    When exactly did SF ever see the IRA as 'terrorists'?

    The IRA are gone btw.


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    #1078
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    When exactly did SF ever see the IRA as 'terrorists'?

    The IRA are gone btw.

    why are their elected TDs shouting 'Up the Ra' at their election celebrations then?


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    #1079
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users Posts: 7,426 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Absolute crap. SF are anti-racist, with historical links to parties in the middle east and Africa.
    https://youtu.be/ZkFAeruvv4s

    Largely eurosceptic too, but they kept that quiet this time around.


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    #1080
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Odhinn wrote: »
    SF are anti-racist,

    unless you are British or Unionist !!


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    #1081
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users Posts: 7,426 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    When exactly did SF ever see the IRA as 'terrorists'?

    The IRA are gone btw.

    I believe it Gerry that said "they haven't gone away you know"

    Then again, what would he know when he was never a member :rolleyes:


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