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    #1142
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,124 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Strumms wrote: »
    He was pandering to the lowest common denominators, if he was that way intentioned he might have shown similar ‘support’ before the election :rolleyes:


    As he is a sinn fein candidate I would have taken such support as read, tbh.


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    #1143
    holyhead
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭holyhead


    The antics of David Cullinane are part of the reason people fear Sinn Fein. On the one hand he is unapologetic for his views which you would have to admire. Yet he is anachronistic in coming out with this crap. The IRA we are told is disbanded. Unless the Unionists in Northern Ireland take a grevious disliking to the Queen it will remain part of the UK.
    Our Mr Cullinane is clearly not the brightest bulb in the house. Coming in the wake of Conor Murphy's unwelcome observations about Paul Quinn and Paddy Holohan's idiotic comments doesn't breed much confidence in SF to be people of due quality to serve in the Dail and Government.


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    #1144
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Why? The armed struggle is over now, and he was showing his admiration for the men and women who took part.

    no, the armed struggle is not over for everyone.
    do you believe that every member of the IRA has agreed to the ceasefire?
    where have the dissident republicans come from?
    the CIRA, the RIRA, the NIRA?
    these were all members of the PIRA.
    why would you think the armed struggle is over?
    It's clearly not.


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    #1145
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users Posts: 18,835 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Cupatae wrote: »
    No place for that only gonna cause trouble if that's how the party is gonna be I'd imagine alot will have a case of "buyers remorse" fairly soon. People won't be long turnings against em if this is the case.

    It is exactly part of the reason I did not vote SF - I know what that sinister SF undercurrent is like. And I believe SF are hypocrites with the rule of law.

    If they cleaned up thier act, I would have no problem in voting for them.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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    #1146
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users Posts: 18,835 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Why? The armed struggle is over now, and he was showing his admiration for the men and women who took part.

    Maybe he should tell that to Lyra McKee's friends and family so...

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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    #1147
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    bubblypop wrote: »
    no, the armed struggle is not over for everyone.
    do you believe that every member of the IRA has agreed to the ceasefire?
    where have the dissident republicans come from?
    the CIRA, the RIRA, the NIRA?
    these were all members of the PIRA.
    why would you think the armed struggle is over?
    It's clearly not.

    You know these are groups who do not associate themselves with nor like Sinn Fein?


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    #1148
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    holyhead wrote: »
    The antics of David Cullinane are part of the reason people fear Sinn Fein. On the one hand he is unapologetic for his views which you would have to admire. Yet he is anachronistic in coming out with this crap. The IRA we are told is disbanded. Unless the Unionists in Northern Ireland take a grevious disliking to the Queen it will remain part of the UK.
    Our Mr Cullinane is clearly not the brightest bulb in the house. Coming in the wake of Conor Murphy's unwelcome observations about Paul O'Neill and Paddy Holohan's idiotic comments doesn't breed much confidence in SF to be people of due quality to serve in the Dail and Government.

    and considering the UK has now left the EU, now is the time for us to try to find common ground, for us to somehow work together, for the sake of Ireland & Northern Ireland.
    If Sinn Fein are really serious about having a United Ireland someday, this is hardly the face of the party the want to advertise!


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    #1149
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users Posts: 18,835 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    holyhead wrote: »
    The antics of David Cullinane are part of the reason people fear Sinn Fein. On the one hand he is unapologetic for his views which you would have to admire. Yet he is anachronistic in coming out with this crap. The IRA we are told is disbanded. Unless the Unionists in Northern Ireland take a grevious disliking to the Queen it will remain part of the UK.
    Our Mr Cullinane is clearly not the brightest bulb in the house. Coming in the wake of Conor Murphy's unwelcome observations about Paul O'Neill and Paddy Holohan's idiotic comments doesn't breed much confidence in SF to be people of due quality to serve in the Dail and Government.

    SF could end up getting wiped out like Labour or worse in the ROI with those antics.
    Plus how will SF react in a ROI government to a new wave of dissent republicanism? Soaradh the current so called 'real' holders of the 1916 torch etc?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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    #1150
    Strumms
    Registered Users Posts: 25,502 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Odhinn wrote: »
    As he is a sinn fein candidate I would have taken such support as read, tbh.

    Well why does he feel the need to do it now ?


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    #1151
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,124 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    Maybe he should tell that to Lyra McKee's friends and family so...




    Nothing to do with SF. The PIRA is no longer extant, according to the Irish, British and American governments. But don't let that stop you making a soap box out of a victim.


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    #1152
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,124 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Strumms wrote: »
    Well why does he feel the need to do it now ?




    ...because he got all worked up over being elected, I'd imagine.


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    #1153
    rdwight
    Registered Users Posts: 541 ✭✭✭rdwight


    Dozyart wrote: »
    The hysteria and salty tears are hilarious to read :pac::pac::pac:


    Cullinane is paying tribute to a terrorist group that refused to recognise the legitimacy of this state and of the parliament to which he has just been elected, defied its laws and murdered member of its security forces.

    No problem so. Nothing to see here.


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    #1154
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,785 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    bubblypop wrote: »
    no, the armed struggle is not over for everyone.
    do you believe that every member of the IRA has agreed to the ceasefire?
    where have the dissident republicans come from?
    the CIRA, the RIRA, the NIRA?
    these were all members of the PIRA.
    why would you think the armed struggle is over?
    It's clearly not.

    And the PIRA just popped into existence one day in 1969 :rolleyes:


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    #1155
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Was just about to post it as well, the country is clearly going to safe hands with that type of bellend in a government position :rolleyes:

    Jesus. How embarrassing.

    How can it all be in the past and at the same time you shout up the Ra. Scumbags


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    #1156
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    Maybe he should tell that to Lyra McKee's friends and family so...

    Zero to do with SF or the IRA. The Irish Times tried to label them 'New IRA' and even had a picture of her with an article of ifs and buts about a SF government. Disgusting use of the woman.


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    #1157
    pjohnson
    Registered Users Posts: 23,766 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Desperate stuff by FG acolytes.

    Do they not realise this smear tactic has already failed spectacularly?

    Why keep doubling down on failure :pac:


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    #1158
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users Posts: 18,835 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Odhinn wrote: »
    It was a war, and there were mistakes made and atrocities committed, as happens in all conflict.

    Fair enough, so why not own up to them turn in the perps who have yet to serve justice? I am sure the perps would be willing to go to prison, for the good of the movement and party?

    A cleaner SF.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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    #1159
    Strumms
    Registered Users Posts: 25,502 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    rdwight wrote: »
    Cullinane is paying tribute to a terrorist group that refused to recognise the legitimacy of this state and of the parliament to which he has just been elected, defied its laws and murdered member of its security forces.

    No problem so. Nothing to see here.

    Precisely, but he just got ‘worked up’, apparently, Jesus what are the fûcking electorate doing...


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    #1160
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,148 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    endainoz wrote: »
    History in government yeah, like they were supposed to, it was an election. The other history was ignored.

    Mary Lou was continuously calling FF for being the party of developers with clear connotations and FG about actions of their former candidates.

    SF have no moral highground with bringing up history, they just did it in a more impactful way.


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    #1161
    nkl12xtw5goz70
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭nkl12xtw5goz70


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    SF could end up getting wiped out like Labour or worse in the ROI with those antics.

    This is why I hugely welcome the opportunity for Sinn Fein to make utter fools of themselves on the national and international stage.


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    #1162
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    The ones who shot, bombed, and tortured people from this country?

    Look, the Troubles are over and while certain incidents need to be resolved and we do not have closure, we need move on with life. After all the British are our biggest trading partner.


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    #1163
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,124 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    Fair enough, so why not own up to them turn in the perps who have yet to serve justice? I am sure the perps would be willing to go to prison, for the good of the movement and party?

    A cleaner SF.




    SF have proposed a Truth commission like South Africa had but has no takers at this point in time.


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    #1164
    bennyl10
    Registered Users Posts: 5,567 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    Dozyart wrote: »
    The hysteria and salty tears are hilarious to read :pac::pac::pac:

    What hysteria?
    This is an elected representative, a poll topper, who wants to lead a government in this country. And represent all of us on an international level.

    Doubling down on support for a terrorist organisation, when given a chance to at least admit it was an error in judgement.

    We heard for 3 weeks that this was all ‘anti SF propaganda’ looks like it was just true colours being hidden.


    They’re a party who many do not like, this is not the way to make people think you’re ready for government!


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    #1165
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users Posts: 18,835 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Zero to do with SF or the IRA. The Irish Times tried to label them 'New IRA' and even had a picture of her with an article of ifs and buts about a SF government. Disgusting use of the woman.

    Of course it has to do with SF and the IRA it is the same mindset SF had only shortwhile ago. How would SF react to these things in a ROI government.
    Condemnation? But at the same time refuse to help to bring the killers of Paul Quinn to justice.

    More SF hypocrisy in my view.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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    #1166
    GreeBo
    Registered Users Posts: 27,164 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    When big US corporations enter Ireland do they build motorways, roads, bridges, airports, shipping ports to access their buildings? Do they build universities to educate the Irish workforce?

    Of course not. They expect those things to be in place before setting up and those to be paid for by someone else.

    Corporations also expect big grants to start here, tax breaks as well as lowest corporate tax rates in the developed world.

    Please tell me that you are not equating long term spongers to multinational companies pouring hundreds of millions into our economy...


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    #1167
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Look, the Troubles are over and while certain incidents need to be resolved and we do not have closure, we need move on with life. After all the British are our biggest trading partner.

    exactly why we dont need any elected members of our government shouting about the IRA & celebrating their past!


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    #1168
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    It is a day that will live in infamy. To the eternal shame of the entire country.

    The worst nature of the Irish has bubbled to the surface, and exploded in the faces of all unfortunate Irish citizens. And to think it is self inflicted. Tragedy does not go lower. It is hard to think of any country embarrassing and harming itself so, and revealing that a quarter of its eligible voters are either too dim to realise what they were voting for, or, worse, knew exactly what they were voting for, and did so nonetheless. The moral courage of so much of the country exposed in its truly repulsive horror.

    I have never felt so sorry for Ireland. Is there hope for them through the gloom? Today, its hard to see it. They may console themselves that maybe such a close flirtation with the devil will awaken those in thrall to the terrorism or inured to the behaviour of the scum of humanity, and like a does of salts, bring them back from the brink the next time round, and send these scoundrels packing, back to the shadows and oblivion.Perhaps this was the innoculation that can prove in the longer term, to be the salvation of the Irish from this SF pestilence.


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    #1169
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    Jesus. How embarrassing.

    How can it all be in the past and at the same time you shout up the Ra. Scumbags

    I can see how that would be upsetting to folk.
    Imagine how the Irish of all political persuasions felt about Charlie Tan-again's RIC/Tan state commemoration.


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    #1170
    pjohnson
    Registered Users Posts: 23,766 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    It is a day that will live in infamy. To the eternal shame of the entire country.

    The worst nature of the Irish has bubbled to the surface, and exploded in the faces of all unfortunate Irish citizens. It is hard to think of any country embarrassing itself so, and revealing that a quarter of its eligible voters are either too dim to realise what they were voting for, or, worse, knew exactly what they were voting for, and did so nonetheless. The moral courage of so much of the country exposed in its truly repulsive horror.

    I have never felt so sorry for Ireland. Is there hope for them through the gloom? Today, its hard to see it. They may console themselves that maybe such a close flirtation with the devil will awaken those in thrall to the terrorism or inured to the behaviour of the scum of humanity, and like a does of salts, bring them back from the brink the next time round, and send these scoundrels packing, back to the shadows and oblivion.Perhaps this was the innoculation that can prove in the longer term, to be the salvation of the Irish from this SF pestilence.

    :pac:


    The meltdowns are amazing.


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    #1171
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,595 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Have we all come Thread closing conclusion yet that politicians lie? That no party has a monopoly of integrity?


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