What have we come to

gormdubhgorm

KWAG2019 wrote: »

I’m afraid that says it all about it

Does it? Pray tell, oh wise one!

Plus I hope you read the articles I linked about NI the homlessness, health issues and the social welfare cuts SF let happen in NI.

jmayo

micks_address wrote: »

Well here's the thing... The government can change feic all. A la Trump in America...with all his shouting what major changes have come into effect? The reality is there's a certain amount of money, it's pretty much all pre committed to health etc.. I think it's maybe one of the frustrations a new government will find. It's really hard to change things quickly. The bigger worry I'd have is how it spins in the US. Most US companies are here for various tax breaks..if they go so more taxes can be raised to increase the rate if change we'd be back to 2008 levels of unemployment pretty quickly. People talk a lot about government being pro business. Reality is when business does well people do well through increased employment, higher tax return which can fund health etc.. it's a pretty vicious circle.

Do you have any fecking clue about what effect Trumps time in power has had.
On of the primary reasons the evangelicals dismissed his Jewish connections and especially his philandering pu**y grabbing ways was simply to get someone that would stack the supreme court with right wingers and probably revoke abortion laws.
Trump has put back climate change moves and EPA powers by decades.
One quick decision ended chance of Kurdish freedom and consigned yet more people to death and real homelessness.

Yurt! wrote: »

Are you one of Leo's early risers or are you coming back from an all night bender?

You are typical shinner, quick with the old one liners and dismissive posts.
I still haven't found you answer my question as to the solution to our housing shortages.

GDK_11 wrote: »

Quite possibly but the issue is only going to become bigger now. SF will know that this may well turn out to be their biggest opportunity to get this done.

No way in hell will they get people in Republic to vote for United Ireland when they hear the cost.

Pat Kenny had DUP politican on this morning and he made one huge valid wake up call to anyone that dreams of a united ireland.
To fund the pensioners in the North it would take 3 billion a year.

gormdubhgorm

micks_address wrote: »

Sinn Fein plus everyone else makes 87?

Maybe without labour 81 with confidence and supply support from labour?

How likely are the independents to sign up?

Howlin has already said he will not do any kind of arrangement with SF in government. But that does not mean he would rule out confidence and supply I suppose?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/brendan-howlin-toes-party-line-on-sinn-fein-arrangement-979369.html

It depends on the independents moral compass. Also it depends on what the independents would be promised. Tony Gregory supported Haughey once upon a time in 1982 because he viewed him as he lesser of two evils.

jmayo

Idbatterim wrote: »

Was that coming from the older generation thaot their property for a pittance ? The ones claiming they are poor and can’t afford a tiny increase in the lpt? But the young in Dublin can pay sixty percent of income in some cases on rent ? Was it one of those liars ?

I am fooking sick and tired of hearing this shytology coming from younger voters.
Where were all these cheap houses years ago?

The only window for more affordable housing came in mid 90s to 2001 when economy was growing, interest rates and income taxes were dropping.
Coincidentally that was when house prices started increasing dramatically.

Go back further and you found high interest rates and high taxes.
A lot of the current retirees that people like you are probably bitching about were the ones that bought in 80s when the state often took nearly 70p out of every pound earned.
At the same time mortgage interest rates were in mid teens.

You have fookers bitching about our high interest rates today well you have no fooking idea.

Oh and when people did buy they didn't fully furnish their homes on day one, they didn't still go on foreign holidays, they didn't trade in their car the next year.
Hell that fooking generation couldn't afford to go to Britain bar on the boat.

So stop with this shyte that anyone over 60 got a cheap house.

I see sheep

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

You must have missed the news

Brexit isn't 'sorted out'.

In those articles LV is meeting another European leader like every other European leader does.

The fact that he's chummy with that sack of **** Johnson doesn't exactly endear me to him to be honest :rolleyes:

FG aspired to be like the Tories but thankfully Irish people aren't duped as easily as the Brits (or at least thankfully this time, finally!)

jam_mac_jam

jmayo wrote: »

I am fooking sick and tired of hearing this shytology coming from younger voters.
Where were all these cheap houses years ago?

The only window for more affordable housing came in mid 90s to 2001 when economy was growing, interest rates and income taxes were dropping.
Coincidentally that was when house prices started increasing dramatically.

Go back further and you found high interest rates and high taxes.
A lot of the current retirees that people like you are probably bitching about were the ones that bought in 80s when the state often took nearly 70p out of every pound earned.
At the same time mortgage interest rates were in mid teens.

You have fookers bitching about our high interest rates today well you have no fooking idea.

Oh and when people did buy they didn't fully furnish their homes on day one, they didn't still go on foreign holidays, they didn't trade in their car the next year.
Hell that fooking generation couldn't afford to go to Britain bar on the boat.

So stop with this shyte that anyone over 60 got a cheap house.

Amazing they could all buy them then. On one wage. In good areas. Must be much harder workers.

I see sheep

jmayo wrote: »

Oh and when people did buy they didn't fully furnish their homes on day one, they didn't still go on foreign holidays, they didn't trade in their car the next year.
Hell that fooking generation couldn't afford to go to Britain bar on the boat.

So stop with this shyte that anyone over 60 got a cheap house.

Don't forget avocado on toast.

gormdubhgorm

I see sheep wrote: »

Brexit isn't 'sorted out'.

In those articles LV is meeting another European leader like every other European leader does.

The fact that he's chummy with that sack of **** Johnson doesn't exactly endear me to him to be honest :rolleyes:

FG aspired to be like the Tories but thankfully Irish people aren't duped as easily as the Brits (or at least thankfully this time, finally!)

I know that now you are just being disingenuous FG were instrumental in the Brexit deal while SF did nothing of note.

In view of that fact it is understandable why SF supporters wish to dismiss or degenerate such an achievement.

It is also ironic considering Brexit will have a major impact on NI yet the ROI electorate do not seem to care about it. Plus the AI party of SF did nothing to to try and prevent it. Out of stormont not in WM etc etc

The irony is that ROI people were duped because they do not understand the complexity of Brexit - relates to trade, workers free movement of goods, even technology data protection etc.
The Irish people were duped by the vague populist promise of 'change' housing homelessness etc. And fighting back etc.
But few have really looked at SF's record in NI as per one of my previous posts.

That is before you add in the paramilitary under current that is with SF as seen in recent weeks and days - which got in the backdoor - on the back of housing promises.

jam_mac_jam

I don't think its too much to ask that you have the same standard of living as your parents.

I hope some day my son is able to buy his own house, he studied got a good job. He can't see himself ever buying a house if he has to rent.

Is it really that crazy that another generation doesn't get screwed over by the housing market.

After the last recession and negative equity you would think we would have learnt a lesson. But no we are dismissing a real and fundamental concern.

We are a rich country. Young people deserve a share of that do. A small house that you own or apartment. Is that really that crazy.

bladespin

Strikes me that there's still an amazing amounts of arrogance on display from FF/FG supporters.

The results of this election have nothing to do with voters being 'duped' etc - nobody in Ireland believes a pre election promise from a politician - any politician, the message they should be hearing is that the voters want a change, they're fed up with 'political elites' backslapping each other and have decided to take a chance on something different - despite all the negativity surrounding SF, this should be the wake up call, they would rather the working class, chancer, paramilitary linked, lefty thinking SF than the others.

Earthhorse

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I don't think its too much to ask that you have the same standard of living as your parents.

I hope some day my son is able to buy his own house, he studied got a good job. He can't see himself ever buying a house if he has to rent.

Is it really that crazy that another generation doesn't get screwed over by the housing market.

After the last recession and negative equity you would think we would have learnt a lesson. But no we are dismissing a real and fundamental concern.

We are a rich country. Young people deserve a share of that do. A small house that you own or apartment. Is that really that crazy.

Of course not. The question though, is whether SF can deliver that? Personally, I'm skeptical.

There are also questions we can ask about whether we have reached peak wealth in some ways in the West which is why there is so much political division. Ireland is not the only country where housing is a problem. It may be that future generations will have to have a lesser standard of living than their parents in some aspects of life.

gormdubhgorm

bladespin wrote: »

Strikes me that there's still an amazing amounts of arrogance on display from FF/FG supporters.

The results of this election have nothing to do with voters being 'duped' etc - nobody in Ireland believes a pre election promise from a politician - any politician, the message they should be hearing is that the voters want a change, they're fed up with 'political elites' backslapping each other and have decided to take a chance on something different - despite all the negativity surrounding SF, this should be the wake up call, they would rather the working class, chancer, paramilitary linked, lefty thinking SF than the others.

The splintering of the left in ROI politics has an an awful lot to do with SF's rise. Creating a vacuum.

Labour's dive to the depths and split creating the SD. Plus as a fella said before Labour started wearing ties!
The rise of the Green's did not help labour either taking many of the centre left, middle class, urban dublin votes.

Then there is the fringe fellas from the PBP and many independents.

Before for many of these in the left thier natural home would have been Labour - under the broad left spectrum.
In my view Labour used to be SF without the paramilitary undercurrent.

nkl12xtw5goz70

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I don't think its too much to ask that you have the same standard of living as your parents.

I'm not sure how old you are, but ask your parents sometime about the standard of living they enjoyed in Ireland of yore.

Before the 1990s, the country was on its knees economically, and most people didn't have any "standard of living" worth talking about. Most people worked on farms or in factories. A third-level education was out of the reach of the majority. There were no iPhones, Xboxes, or foreign holidays.

Before the 1990s, social welfare payments were a pittance compared to now. There was no lone parent's allowance before 1990, and so if a girl or woman got pregnant outside of marriage, she probably would wind up in a mother and baby home.

As for houses, a young professional couple today would turn up their noses at most of the homes people lived in back then.

But there's more to "standard of living" than home ownership. Young people in Ireland today have it better on almost every front than their parents' and grandparents' generations.

mrslancaster

Earthhorse wrote: »

.... Ireland is not the only country where housing is a problem. It may be that future generations will have to have a lesser standard of living than their parents in some aspects of life.

Absolutely disagree with that. Why should young people who study, work hard & pay high taxes have a lower standard of living than earlier generations?

bladespin

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

The splintering of the left in ROI politics has an an awful lot to do with SF's rise. Creating a vacuum.

Labour's dive to the depths and split creating the SD. Plus as a fella said before Labour started wearing ties!
The rise of the Green's did not help labour either taking many of the centre left, middle class, urban dublin votes.

Then there is the fringe fellas from the PBP and many independents.

Before for many of these in the left thier natural home would have been Labour - under the broad left spectrum.
In my view Labour used to be SF without the paramilitary undercurrent.

Very much this, a lot of the local indy councilors were promoting a vote for SF - PBP types etc. Labout are not the workers party - JB destroyed that myth.

I see sheep

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I know that now you are just being disingenuous FG were instrumental in the Brexit deal while SF did nothing of note.

In view of that fact it is understandable why SF supporters wish to dismiss or degenerate such an achievement.

Honestly believe you are on a wind-up about this Brexit stuff.

'such an achievement'

At best FG are totally irrelevant to Brexit.

The people 'doing' Brexit couldn't care less who the Irish government is.

There has been no achievement.

jmayo

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Amazing they could all buy them then. On one wage. In good areas. Must be much harder workers.

Yes they bought them usually on one salary, but then again right up until the 70s married women could not hold a public service job.
I can still remember visiting my uncle in Galway in late 70s, early 80s.
My first experience of city or even town living.
He lived in what would be termed middle class suburb built from 70s on.
He was in semi d on road of about 20 something houses, nearly 1/4 of them hadn't a car and any that did had A car.
I think by mid 80s and advent of new phone system most had a phone, but before that no.
Now most if not all of the mothers were stay at home.
It was just the way it was.
Most families were struggling to pay the mortgage and there was fook all other spending as in today.

Oh and listening to your point about "good areas", one would almost think everyone could buy houses in Foxrock or Shrewsbury Road. :rolleyes:
What was once outer suburbs that people bought in is now considered part of city.

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I don't think its too much to ask that you have the same standard of living as your parents.

That aint going to happen and it is time people copped onto that fact in Western world.
I will not have the pension that those who have had similar qualifications and job as me who are retired now have.

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I hope some day my son is able to buy his own house, he studied got a good job. He can't see himself ever buying a house if he has to rent.

Is it really that crazy that another generation doesn't get screwed over by the housing market.

After the last recession and negative equity you would think we would have learnt a lesson. But no we are dismissing a real and fundamental concern.

We are a rich country. Young people deserve a share of that do. A small house that you own or apartment. Is that really that crazy.

The rental market is where I have seen most change and I wholeheartedly agree rents are way too high.
And yes we should have been building faster to meet demand, but don't expect your son can buy a house in your areas just because you were able to on possibly a lower salary.
Our cities, our populations have increased and we are o longer the backwater with hue emigration.

BTW we built a housing bubble and we did not allow it fully deflate.
Thousands who should have been dumped out on their ar**es were not and that is one of the major reasons why we now have and will have higher interest rates than our neighbours in Europe.
Your son and the rest of us still paying a mortgage are going to pay for that.

BTW sorry to tell you this also, studying for a good degree is no longer the paths to riches or comfortabe living that it once was.

Oh and we are not really a rich country.
We are in debt, both personal and public, up to our eyeballs.
All of that supposed wealth could evaporate overnight.
Yes there are some very rich people, but the majority are nowhere near real wealth.
Over 50% of our corpo tax comes form 10 high tech non Irish companies.
The only indigenous enterprises our myopic banks and idiot politicians ever really backed were developers pushing overpriced crud to our population paid for by credit.
Our only real indigenous big player is agri and a lot of the younger generation like your son's can't now wait to screw it.

Yurt2

Earthhorse wrote: »

It may be that future generations will have to have a lesser standard of living than their parents in some aspects of life.

This post would make one tempted to vote for a party that would immediately means test the state pension.

You realise who's paying for that don't you? It's current expenditure, i.e. coming out of working age people's pay packet. There's there's no way in hell your stamps ever will ever come close to covering the cost of it. The state pension for those who have a private pension alongside it is the biggest giveaway in the Irish welfare system.

That would soften your cough.

Earthhorse

mrslancaster wrote: »

Absolutely disagree with that. Why should young people who study, work hard & pay high taxes have a lower standard of living than earlier generations?

Philosophically, they shouldn't. Practically, it may not be possible to continue to live in the manner we have to date sustainably. But it's worth noting that we don't pay higher taxes than many earlier generations of Irish.

jam_mac_jam

Kason Fancy Coal wrote: »

I'm not sure how old you are, but ask your parents sometime about the standard of living they enjoyed in Ireland of yore.

Before the 1990s, the country was on its knees economically, and most people didn't have any "standard of living" worth talking about. Most people worked on farms or in factories. A third-level education was out of the reach of the majority. There were no iPhones, Xboxes, or foreign holidays.

Before the 1990s, social welfare payments were a pittance compared to now. There was no lone parent's allowance before 1990, and so if a girl or woman got pregnant outside of marriage, she probably would wind up in a mother and baby home.

As for houses, a young professional couple today would turn up their noses at most of the homes people lived in back then.

But there's more to "standard of living" than home ownership. Young people in Ireland today have it better on almost every front than their parents' and grandparents' generations.

In some ways they do. However my parents have it much easier in relation to house buying and i have it much easier then my son.

My parents have a five bed and a holiday home with very normal jobs. The house was bought on my dads wages alone. I am better educated and had difficulty buying a house. It is impossible for my son to buy.

Dont get me wrong, my father worked his arse off his whole life and they deserve it. But so does my son. So do my friends who got ****ed over with huge mortgages and negative equity.

I don't know how much iphones make up for not buying or renting a decent home. As i said we are a rich country and the riches shouldn't be a lottery on when you were born.

Earthhorse

Yurt! wrote: »

This post would make one tempted to vote for a party that would immediately means test the state pension.

You realise who's paying for that don't you? It's current expenditure, i.e. coming out of working age people's pay packet. There's there's no way in hell your stamps ever will ever come close to covering the cost of it. The state pension for those who have a private pension alongside it is the biggest giveaway in the Irish welfare system.

That would soften your cough.

No idea what you're talking about or how it relates to anything I've said.

I see sheep

Kason Fancy Coal wrote: »

Before the 1990s, the country was on its knees economically, and most people didn't have any "standard of living" worth talking about. Most people worked on farms or in factories. A third-level education was out of the reach of the majority. There were no iPhones, Xboxes, or foreign holidays.

Before the 1990s, social welfare payments were a pittance compared to now. There was no lone parent's allowance before 1990, and so if a girl or woman got pregnant outside of marriage, she probably would wind up in a mother and baby home.

I was born in the 80s and both my parents had solid public service jobs straight out of Uni/College and owned a house in south Dublin at age 24.

'There were no iPhones, Xboxes'

Owning a house / secure long term rent is more important that having an Xbox I think.

And luckily a lot of voters agree.

It's why SF won! :cool:

Housing crisis deniers keep pretending there's no problem.

gormdubhgorm

I see sheep wrote: »

Honestly believe you are on a wind-up about this Brexit stuff.

'such an achievement'

At best FG are totally irrelevant to Brexit.

The people 'doing' Brexit couldn't care less who the Irish government is.

There has been no achievement.

I think you need to do a bit of research on FG's negotiations with the UK on Brexit - October 2019

The bilateral talks Leo and his team had with Boris.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/10/boris-johnson-and-leo-varadkar-say-they-see-pathway-to-brexit-deal

Also how Leo was integral part in the EU 27 negotiation - and renegotiated brexit Oct 2019

and also a bit of research on at least the basics of EU law and how brexit affects it.

http://brexitlegal.ie/effect-of-eu-law/

https://www.lawsociety.ie/brexit

jam_mac_jam

I see sheep wrote: »

I was born in the 80s and both my parents had solid public service jobs straight out of Uni/College and owned a house in south Dublin at age 24.

'There were no iPhones, Xboxes'

Owning a house / secure long term rent is more important that having an Xbox I think.

And luckily a lot of voters agree.

It's why SF won! :cool:

Housing crisis deniers keep pretending there's no problem.

Exactly the idea that life was so horrible and awful in past because we didn't have phones.

Yurt2

Earthhorse wrote: »

No idea what you're talking about or how it relates to anything I've said.

You're saying tough sh*t, younger people should put up with a lower standard of living than their parents generation. Young people through direct taxation pay for the older generation's state pension. It would dramatically reduce the sneer level from some of the older if the young voted en-masse to means test the state pension. Because they sure as sh*t didn't pay for the value of it via their stamp contributions.

I see sheep

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I think you need to do a bit of research on FG's negotiations with the UK on Brexit - October 2019

The bilateral talks Leo and his team had with Boris.

Also how Leo was integral part in the EU 27 negotiation - and renegotiated brexit Oct 2019

and also a bit of research on at least the basics of EU law and how brexit affects it.

http://brexitlegal.ie/effect-of-eu-law/

https://www.lawsociety.ie/brexit

Jesus Christ man, in relation to this election, nobody gives a toss about Brexit!

And rightly so.

jam_mac_jam

jmayo wrote: »

Yes they bought them usually on one salary, but then again right up until the 70s married women could not hold a public service job.
I can still remember visiting my uncle in Galway in late 70s, early 80s.
My first experience of city or even town living.
He lived in what would be termed middle class suburb built from 70s on.
He was in semi d on road of about 20 something houses, nearly 1/4 of them hadn't a car and any that did had A car.
I think by mid 80s and advent of new phone system most had a phone, but before that no.
Now most if not all of the mothers were stay at home.
It was just the way it was.
Most families were struggling to pay the mortgage and there was fook all other spending as in today.

Oh and listening to your point about "good areas", one would almost think everyone could buy houses in Foxrock or Shrewsbury Road. :rolleyes:
What was once outer suburbs that people bought in is now considered part of city.



That aint going to happen and it is time people copped onto that fact in Western world.
I will not have the pension that those who have had similar qualifications and job as me who are retired now have.



The rental market is where I have seen most change and I wholeheartedly agree rents are way too high.
And yes we should have been building faster to meet demand, but don't expect your son can buy a house in your areas just because you were able to on possibly a lower salary.
Our cities, our populations have increased and we are o longer the backwater with hue emigration.

BTW we built a housing bubble and we did not allow it fully deflate.
Thousands who should have been dumped out on their ar**es were not and that is one of the major reasons why we now have and will have higher interest rates than our neighbours in Europe.
Your son and the rest of us still paying a mortgage are going to pay for that.

BTW sorry to tell you this also, studying for a good degree is no longer the paths to riches or comfortabe living that it once was.

Oh and we are not really a rich country.
We are in debt, both personal and public, up to our eyeballs.
All of that supposed wealth could evaporate overnight.
Yes there are some very rich people, but the majority are nowhere near real wealth.
Over 50% of our corpo tax comes form 10 high tech non Irish companies.
The only indigenous enterprises our myopic banks and idiot politicians ever really backed were developers pushing overpriced crud to our population paid for by credit.
Our only real indigenous big player is agri and a lot of the younger generation like your son's can't now wait to screw it.

No i didn't mean that everyone was able to buy in Foxrock at all. Talking about pretty average areas that are now half a million for a house.

Also well aware that a degree is not going to give you riches. Not arguing for riches just that a normal wage should buy a house.

Crazy i know.

Earthhorse

Yurt! wrote: »

You're saying tough sh*t, younger people should put up with a lower standard of living than their parents generation. Young people through direct taxation pay for the older generation's state pension. It would dramatically reduce the sneer level from some of the older if the young voted en-masse to means test the state pension. Because they sure as sh*t didn't pay for the value of it via their stamp contributions.

Nah, I'm not saying tough sh*t, you're putting that slant on it. I'm saying that at a practical level we may need to rethink how we live. These problems with housing supply aren't exclusive to Ireland. There is limited space for people to live. I'm hopeful that a future of remote work and better transport will take the bite out of these problems and certainly think there are lots of ideas we can try to resolve housing here but there may just be a practical limit at some point with regards to standards of living.

gormdubhgorm

I see sheep wrote: »

Jesus Christ man, in relation to this election, nobody gives a toss about Brexit!

And rightly so.

This is the nub of it you do not give a toss about it because you do not understand it nor it's importance. But it is/was crucially important to Ireland and NI.

Also if you want to make it about health, housing and homeless etc - fair play SF made loads of promises.

But have you looked at SF's record in NI on these issues?


SF have actually widened the gap between rich and poor in NI

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/02/10/celebrating-sinn-fein-election-surge-consider-their-pro-austerity-record-north



Health NI:

https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2019/1204/1097090-northern-ireland-health/

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RVTQ7CyHeagJ:https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/thousands-of-nurses-in-northern-ireland-strike-over-pay-1.4133733+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie

Housing NI:

https://thedetail.tv/articles/social-housing-bb946a8a-43df-450d-b8cd-66d71030cdf3

Homelessness NI:

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/more-quarter-recent-uk-homeless-21114251

Social Welfare NI:

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:3Kdvi9pOC4gJ:https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/sinn-f%25C3%25A9in-under-fire-over-welfare-cuts-move-1.2435441+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie


No governance in Stormont for over three years


Worse still SF sat on thier hands for three years playing games with the DUP in Stormont.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/10/pressure-mounts-northern-irish-parties-restore-power-sharing-sinn-fein-dup

jmayo

mrslancaster wrote: »

Absolutely disagree with that. Why should young people who study, work hard & pay high taxes have a lower standard of living than earlier generations?

Ok we keep hearing about how the young today are being screwed in comparison to earlier generations.
But are they really?

I grew up in 70s and 80s.
When I was leaveing school in mid 80s, my classmates weren't worried that they would not be able to afford a house in Ireland.
Most knew they had no hope of job in this country, never mind a house.
They were concerned whether or not they could get green card for US or if their relatives in London could get them good job on a site.
Coming up to exams no one was planning holiday to Magaluf or Ibiza, but a bus trip to London and work on sites.

At least I had got secondary education and was off to college, unlike my parents who left primary school and eventually emigrated like family and siblings.
When in college there were no foreign holidays unless you counted working abroad for the summer as a holiday.
Out of year of 130 engineering students I think about 7 or 8 had cars.
Feck all had computers, no one had phones, feck all had games consoles.

In college in late 80s early 90s no one was worried about how they mightn't afford a house, they were busting their asses trying to see if they could swing a job in one of the new companies like Dell or Intel.
Oh and they weren't going to buy a new or newish car to get to work, but a clapped out Fiesta, Micra or Starlet under the parents insurance.

And then when you did get job you were paying huge tax, couldn't afford a flight out of this rain soaked place and even getting a personal loan or credit card was hard.

It wasn't all fooking roses like some seem to think.