What have we come to

Sweet.Science

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

No i didn't mean that everyone was able to buy in Foxrock at all. Talking about pretty average areas that are now half a million for a house.

Also well aware that a degree is not going to give you riches. Not arguing for riches just that a normal wage should buy a house.

Crazy i know.

Whats the difference between a nice area and average area? I assume just the postcode

tjhook

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Whats the difference between a nice area and average area? I assume just the postcode

I think the difference is just the price. You can get some "nice" and some pretty dodgy places in the same postcode.

edit to say: Or maybe the price follows the situation? I.e. the "nice" areas later find their prices going up?

I see sheep

I see sheep wrote: »

I was born in the 80s and both my parents had solid public service jobs straight out of Uni/College and owned a house in south Dublin at age 24.

They were very very lucky.

I was in school at the time and it was crap compared to schools today. A colleague at work told me about him leaving secondary school in '89 and taking the bus to London with his brother almost immediately.

But I'm not in denial at all about the rental problems, its a major problem.

I see sheep

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

This is the nub of it you do not give a toss about it because you do not understand it nor it's importance. But it is/was crucially important to Ireland and NI.
...
But have you looked at SF's record in NI on these issues?

If they get into government I'll judge them on what they do then, I'm not interested in looking at what different SF people did in NI.

I agree Brexit is going to have a huge impact on Ireland/NI but I'm saying we are irrelevant to the UK gov so having LV as leader or nor makes no difference.

Foxtrol

GreenandRed wrote: »

Sin Féin really have you worried after the last government's excellent job running the country.

I'm not worried in the slightest.

The most likely thing to me is that SF act the bully boy during negotiations for government while getting hit with several more PR disasters during the process. It already appears that they haven't even been able to get the other left parties to feign interest in 'a grand coalition of the left'. I don't believe another election in the short term will go the way most SF supporters expect it to.

If they did manage to ever form a government and SF manage to somehow give everyone all the goodies they promised and cut their taxes while not destroying the economy then everyone wins. In the more likely situation that they make a complete mess of things in government then they'll never see the light of day again.

There's a reason why many SF supporters are bending over backwards wanting FF & FG to form a coalition. It is clear who the worried ones are.

nkl12xtw5goz70

Brilliant from Waterford Whispers: "McDonald Asks Party To Refrain From Shouting ‘Up The Ra’ For At Least A Week"

gormdubhgorm

I see sheep wrote: »

If they get into government I'll judge them on what they do then, I'm not interested in looking at what different SF people did in NI.

I agree Brexit is going to have a huge impact on Ireland/NI but I'm saying we are irrelevant to the UK gov so having LV as leader or nor makes no difference.

They are the only AI party as they keep telling us.
Do you not think SF have policy meetings both nor and south?
Have you ever seen a Sinn Fein Ard Fheis and who attends them?

Also in case you have not noticed SF's whole reason for being is indelibly tied to NI.

Ironically you have a partionist attitude which diehard SF's hate. Them up there in NI different world.... different people.

But yet because of this partiionist attitude, and lack of knowledge about SF policies in NI and Brexit implications - the SF vote has grown!
The irony has not escaped me nor many others.

jam_mac_jam

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Whats the difference between a nice area and average area? I assume just the postcode

I mean the same thing by that. Nice is average. Not amazing areass. Just normal average areas that have since become 500k 600 k for a house. Not the coastal areas of Dublin but now out of the reach of the average buyer. I wasn't referring to Blackrock or Foxrock.

gormdubhgorm

Kason Fancy Coal wrote: »

Brilliant from Waterford Whispers: "McDonald Asks Party To Refrain From Shouting ‘Up The Ra’ For At Least A Week"

Plus the added bonus is that Cullinane is from Waterford.

Iscreamkone

SF will increase the black market economy - including rent.

1o059k7ewrqj3n

Iscreamkone wrote: »

SF will increase the black market economy - including rent.

Explain?

James Brown

suicide_circus wrote: »

they've certainly a lot of hype to live up to

A few weeks ago we'd people posting about how they'd be a wasted vote because they've no chance. Then it's a protest vote.. so were does the 'lot of hype' fit in?
People did what they always do, except now SF are up there not just FF.

machaseh

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

They are the only AI party as they keep telling us.
Do you not think SF have policy meetings both nor and south?
Have you ever seen a Sinn Fein Ard Fheis and who attends them?

Also in case you have not noticed SF's whole reason for being is indelibly tied to NI.

Ironically you have a partionist attitude which diehard SF's hate. Them up there in NI different world.... different people.

But yet because of this partiionist attitude, and lack of knowledge about SF policies in NI and Brexit implications - the SF vote has grown!
The irony has not escaped me nor many others.

At the end of the day, why would any dubliner (SF or not) care about the policies within Northern Ireland? It's really just not something that affects our daily lives at all, unless you happen to have a lot of family up north.

I am sure that after unification, the two sinn feins will merge and will come up with a unified policy. Until that time it's just not something that affects people in the republic in their daily lives at all.

GreenandRed

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I am not hiding anything (unlike SF)
Plus if it was not viewed as a gaff or harmful to SF - why did Mary Lou feel she had to do the usual SF half apology?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/mary-lou-mcdonald-apologises-over-england-get-out-of-ireland-banner-914906.html

Bad at lying.


Poor at hiding.


Worse than pathetic at trolling.

nkl12xtw5goz70

I see sheep wrote: »

I was born in the 80s and both my parents had solid public service jobs straight out of Uni/College and owned a house in south Dublin at age 24.

That's great for you — but most people born in the 80s weren't lucky enough to have two university-educated parents, both with good public-sector jobs, at a time when the majority of people could not afford third-level education and the unemployment rate was hovering around 17%. Your childhood experience is far from representative.

jam_mac_jam

Kason Fancy Coal wrote: »

That's great for you — but most people born in the 80s weren't lucky enough to have two university-educated parents, both with good public-sector jobs, at a time when the majority of people could not afford third-level education and the unemployment rate was hovering around 17%. Your childhood experience is far from representative.

You're right and interest rates were huge. There were different problems and issues. I don't thi k anyone would like to see us go back to that unemployment problem.

That doesn't mean there isn't a housing problem now.

GreeBo

So ignoring their past, how are SF going to fix the housing issue, the health issue and also balance the budget?

Where does the money come from?
How does money solve housing in Dublin?

machaseh

GreeBo wrote: »

So ignoring their past, how are SF going to fix the housing issue, the health issue and also balance the budget?

Where does the money come from?
How does money solve housing in Dublin?

Depends entirely on whether they even make it into government at all, and when they do it depends on who they will be in government with.

I wouldn't see FF+SF (plus any of the left wing parties) as a very stable coalition. There will probably not be a call for a border poll at that stage, I wouldn't think FF would allow it.

SF + all of the left parties + almost all TDs is probably also just not really an achievable goal.

James Brown

The FG shills are so busy being ignorant and plain rude about the people voted SF they are giving FF a pass. But that's the FF/FG plan.
A party that have put us in generational debt looking to be back in after FG creating and exacerbating crises.
We know what FF are like in government, but go on sure....

nkl12xtw5goz70

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

That doesn't mean there isn't a housing problem now.

I agree, there's absolutely a housing problem, especially within Dublin, but in other parts of the country as well.

Loose monetary policy has driven down bond yields and led pension fund managers to look for good alternative fixed-income options elsewhere. Many of them have fixed on property — which means that homebuyers, constrained by restrictive Central Bank rules, are now competing for properties with institutional investors who have billions at their disposal. That's an unfortunate side effect of ECB policy over the past decade.

A lopsided economic recovery has fueled record rent increases in Dublin as more and more people feel that they have to move there to get jobs.

There are sensible reforms that could be enacted to address all this, though. It's a shame that the main parties have not been more responsive — but the absolute wrong answer is to hand the reins of power to the far left.

Foxtrol

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

You're right and interest rates were huge. There were different problems and issues. I don't thi k anyone would like to see us go back to that unemployment problem.

That doesn't mean there isn't a housing problem now.

That's the balance though. It is nearly impossible not to have some issues out there, you can't be all things to all people like SF manifesto claims.

A lot of SF policies have a high likelihood of increasing unemployment.

1o059k7ewrqj3n

Iscreamkone wrote: »

SF will increase the black market economy - including rent.

Do we not already have cases of landlords asking for sex in exchange for rent, cases of dangerous overcrowding with Brazilians forced to accept 5+ to a room?

All occurred under FG/FF watch.

Gynoid

Matt Barrett wrote: »

We know what FF are like in government, but go on sure....

We know what SF are like in a barn, but go on sure....

gormdubhgorm

machaseh wrote: »

At the end of the day, why would any dubliner (SF or not) care about the policies within Northern Ireland? It's really just not something that affects our daily lives at all, unless you happen to have a lot of family up north.

I am sure that after unification, the two sinn feins will merge and will come up with a unified policy. Until that time it's just not something that affects people in the republic in their daily lives at all.

That is what SF played on ROI ignorance of their policeis in NI and cluelessness on Brexit, and it worked the dual strategy.

The two SF's are already defacto merged do you seriously think those in NI do not make a move without consulting the other.?

Also after unification? You are only bothered about NI until then? By then it will be two late.

It is no wonder how the Conor Murphy issue etc had no resonance to the new young SF voter in the ROI. When they still view NI as 'other'.

Gynoid

Steyr 556 wrote: »

Do we not already have cases of landlords asking for sex in exchange for rent, cases of dangerous overcrowding with Brazilians forced to accept 5+ to a room?

All occurred under FG/FF watch.

I didnt vote FF or FG but the fact that they are watching overcrowded Brazilians having sex with landlords makes me regret my foolishness...

gormdubhgorm

GreenandRed wrote: »

Bad at lying.


Poor at hiding.


Worse than pathetic at trolling.

Not true any so called lying is manufactured by you unfortunately.
Read my previous posts on this thread I clearly metioned Mary Lou banner NY
Again no answer to the question of why Mary Lou had to apologise.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=112511355

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

You were just caught out on your years admit it.

Recent SF gaffs like -


Mary Lou in NY with the banner - get the english out of Ireland
Paddy Holohan - racism, sexism, homphobia
David Culliane - up the ra
Conor Murphy - the fudge on a murder victim to republicanism
Dessie Ellis - get out you black and tans

They all prove that SF have not left the troubles behind, and cannot behave like a normal decent party. The nasty undercurrent ties are always there - that element.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I suppose you are going ask for evidence of a picture of an IRA member in a SF office recently complete with his IRA membership badge as proof....:rolleyes:

The major difference is most parties in the island do not have a dual strategy one for NI and one for the ROI. One is a softer more 'southern' one which is republican lite all smiles. Going on about houses, taxing the rich.



The other is the style used by SF in NI pandering to the hardline republicans or naive rich american groups which fund the IRA.

Mary Lou with the banner in NY March of 2019:



Michelle O'Neill carrying the coffin of Annie Cahill republican and former wife of IRA leader Joe Cahill (2018 only two years ago)





It is because of such duplicity that there a healthy dose of dubiousness about SF. If they moved away from thier panto beret politics they would do far better.
Be honest and open get everything out there. But no, they only back down when thier credibility takes a hit like on the Quinn issue.
It is the same tried and tested game with them, ask a question on a victim of republican related violence of an innocent and the response is always we could all name victims etc etc

But at the same time SF glorify mindless republicanism to the working class disenfranchised, and the rich yanks. Adds a great mystic for them.

They have to chose which way they want to go. Not pick and chose as it suits a jurisdiction or demographic. It is really cynical politics. And this dual strategy really tarnishes ordinary decent hard working members of SF as a result. In my opinion.

It is the usual SF tactic you are exhibiting deflect, deny, discredit.

FrancieBrady

Foxtrol wrote: »

In the more likely situation that they make a complete mess of things in government then they'll never see the light of day again.

.

Like FF?

jam_mac_jam

GreeBo wrote: »

So ignoring their past, how are SF going to fix the housing issue, the health issue and also balance the budget?

Where does the money come from?
How does money solve housing in Dublin?

They aren't going to fix it. But that's the reason people voted for them

jam_mac_jam

GreeBo wrote: »

So ignoring their past, how are SF going to fix the housing issue, the health issue and also balance the budget?

Where does the money come from?
How does money solve housing in Dublin?

They aren't going to fix it. But that's the reason people voted for them

GreenandRed

Gynoid wrote: »

I think some of the youth vote for Sinn Fein has an Antifa feel to it. In the US it is now quite legitimate for young people to admire hysterical people in balaclavas using violence or the threat of it as a legitimate means of defending against "facism", ie seriously intimidating anyone who does not adhere to your ideological creed on any chosen issue. The sneaking regard and moral relativism displayed by some posters on this thread for violence, the minimisation of recently past atrocities, the dismissal of present day dog whistles to justifiable violence, all seem to me to be an ignorant wish for social justice warrior identity politics, Irish style. Fools.

This is Ireland, not the US, nor some Scandinavian Utopia that some politicians seemingly aspire to between elections. Some people in the North on both sides of the divide were bullied and intimidated and fought back but also many were killed for less than honourable reasons, honourable isn't a correct word for murder I know, nor is murder justified in any case but if we in the South had an inkling of life up there back then we might be less judgemental. Regardless, it's in the past. Do we want to keep looking backwards to the troubles, the banking crisis, and snipe for another few months and get nothing done. Sinn Féin don't look like they'll be in any government this time and they have a few headers elected. But there's headers in every party. People judging SF when they're untried at ministerial level. In football terns, that's complacency, they can't show they're good or brutal if they're on the backbenches again. Some of them could make a better job of some portfolios than the sitting ministers. Was anyone but Pearse Doherty not let the insurance companies lie through their teeth? Let's deal with the banks too. The people asked for change. Our constitution doesn't refer to asking boards.ie for a vote. Let's change it rightly. Not FF, SF, FG or confidence and supply but a coalition of the most able and enthusiastic people for particular portfolios from any party including independents. I know that's my utopian daydream but I'm sick of the sniping and no progress.