What have we come to

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

I am just explaining the facts, that is all.

So you think Ulster-Scots is as irrelevant as Irish?

Cupatae

shesty wrote: »

For anyone having doubts about the continued existence of the IRA...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/sinn-f%C3%A9in-vice-president-michelle-o-neill-targeted-by-dissident-plot-1.4170433?mode=amp

Myself, I don't care what SF say they will do.I will never be able to separate them from the IRA.It was a background to too many of my years growing up, and I don't even live up North.It is too recent for too many people, and giving them the benefit of the doubt is just a step too far.I don't have an allegiance to anyone else btw, and I believe all parties are very similar.But SF are something else entirely.

I was giving sf the benefit of the doubt and that they might actually do something good , but the chanting and up the ra upon election of some of there candidates has made me do a complete u turn alot of these people leave alot to be desired... you d take no notice of someone in a pub roaring it but I wouldn't class em as the most rational of people... let alone have them have a say in how the country is ran..the mask slipped a nice bit ! If it goes to the polls again I think it will be a completely different outcome

Blaze420

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I can say people using the murder and grief of the mother to score points are scumbags. I ain't deflecting sh*t comrade. I'm just not really interested

Not the people who murdered her son then? That’s grand yeah? That’s all I need to know about you. Carry on

FrancieBrady

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Where have I shown no respect for the courts or police?

You say that SF are hiding info on murders.

That's a huge criticism of the police. It is illegal to with-hold information or to pervert the course of justice. Has anyone been charged with this in SF in relation to Paul Quinn?

blanch152

Matt Barrett wrote: »

So you think Ulster-Scots is as irrelevant as Irish?

Don't be putting words in my mouth.

I have set out the history of both languages in Northern Ireland. It is clear to me that in both cases, albeit with different aspects, that their revival has been artificial and driven by the desire and wish not to be the other, to differentiate, to segregate, to emphasise difference. That isn't healthy.

gormdubhgorm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Don't be sad. That's a lie.
You're becoming a parody of yourself.
You mentioned a younger relative you might have to keep an eye on and it reminded me of Kenny's nephew. Funny to me.
I think you're a spin merchant and a liar.

I have merely commented on your posts obviously you have no real retort.
So therefore it must be clear your argument is lost.

You are mad for accountability and justice however small the crime on the one hand.

Yet you shy away from calling for accountability for SF however large the crime.
Even murder can be excused or hidden away from justice in your view.
McCabe, Quinn and so on.

You have not explained to me how you justify such reasoning.
But I am not a psychologist.

I am beginning to feel some pity for you, with your mental gymnastics.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Don't be putting words in my mouth.

I have set out the history of both languages in Northern Ireland. It is clear to me that in both cases, albeit with different aspects, that their revival has been artificial and driven by the desire and wish not to be the other, to differentiate, to segregate, to emphasise difference. That isn't healthy.

You do realise SF are an All Ireland party? And that they don't compartmentalise northern Ireland? And that their supporters see themselves as Irish and part of the people of the whole island?

gormdubhgorm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You say that SF are hiding info on murders.

That's a huge criticism of the police. It is illegal to with-hold information or to pervert the course of justice. Has anyone been charged with this in SF in relation to Paul Quinn?

I will tell you why it is likely no one will ever be.

1) Known SF supporter/ republican in the locality

2) The locals afraid or threatened not to inform the guards/psni

3) Silence on the matter from SF and no help from SF - gives tacit approval to the above -

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You say that SF are hiding info on murders.

That's a huge criticism of the police. It is illegal to with-hold information or to pervert the course of justice. Has anyone been charged with this in SF in relation to Paul Quinn?

Don't be silly.

You can't prove that people are with-holding information until you have the information that shows that.

It is clear that the reason more information on Paul Quinn's murder hasn't come out is because there are senior members of the republican movement who would be in trouble for the very reason you mention if the truth was out there.

Remember when Gerry Adams told one story to Spotlight about his knowledge of the abuse of his niece and a different story to the court. While we all knew that he had lied, he couldn't be charged with perjury because there was no way on knowing which version was untrue and it is not a crime to lie to a TV programme.

In this case, until the full truth comes out, nobody can be certain or prove that information is being withheld or was previously withheld. So you can be certain that the republican movement won't let the truth come out.

gormdubhgorm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You do realise SF are an All Ireland party? And that they don't compartmentalise northern Ireland? And that their supporters see themselves as Irish and part of the people of the whole island?

But yet SF's record in NI is ignored.... on housing, health, soc welfare.
Because the ROI new SF voters don't care!

You can't make it up!
Nor did the ROI SF voter care about Brexit which effected the whole island of Ireland especially NI.

Fann Linn

blanch152 wrote: »

Don't be silly.

You can't prove that people are with-holding information until you have the information that shows that.

It is clear that the reason more information on Paul Quinn's murder hasn't come out is because there are senior members of the republican movement who would be in trouble for the very reason you mention if the truth was out there.

Remember when Gerry Adams told one story to Spotlight about his knowledge of the abuse of his niece and a different story to the court. While we all knew that he had lied, he couldn't be charged with perjury because there was no way on knowing which version was untrue and it is not a crime to lie to a TV programme.

In this case, until the full truth comes out, nobody can be certain or prove that information is being withheld or was previously withheld. So you can be certain that the republican movement won't let the truth come out.

Jeez blanch you should know that everything you quoted there is 'just hearsay'.

Blaze420

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

But yet SF's record in NI is ignored.... on housing, health, soc welfare.
Because the ROI new SF voters don't care!

You can't make it up!
Nor did the ROI SF voter care about Brexit which effected the whole island of Ireland especially NI.

The electorate didn’t give a **** about what they were doing besides wagging the finger at FG. They will regret that in the next 6 months when they see the calibre of politician they have elected to run this country and economy - quote me

FrancieBrady

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I will tell you why it is likely no one will ever be.

1) Known SF supporter/ republican in the locality

2) The locals afraid or threatened not to inform the guards/psni

3) Silence on the matter from SF and no help from SF - gives tacit approval to the above -

And yet this 'fearful' community elects a Shinner back, every time. Did you ever pause to wonder about that? Why these 'community oppressors' keep getting chosen in the secrecy of the ballot box?

FrancieBrady

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

But yet SF's record in NI is ignored.... on housing, health, soc welfare.
Because the ROI new SF voters don't care!

You can't make it up!
Nor did the ROI SF voter care about Brexit which effected the whole island of Ireland especially NI.

Who is ignoring it? Anyone with a brain can see the situations are not comparable.


Nobody cared about Brexit...1% said it was an issue.

Blaze420

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Who is ignoring it? Anyone with a brain can see the situations are not comparable.


Nobody cared about Brexit...1% said it was an issue.

Why are the situations not comparable? They made a balls of those issues in set of counties much smaller than they will govern now if they get in - what do you think will be the outcome down here?

And I agree, nobody cares about Brexit. A major misstep in the government campaign

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You do realise SF are an All Ireland party? And that they don't compartmentalise northern Ireland? And that their supporters see themselves as Irish and part of the people of the whole island?

And what has that got to do with the deaths of the Antrim, Sperrin, Armagh and Derry sub-dialects of Irish?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Irish

The Eastern dialect of Ulster Irish died out in the six counties, Irish was then revived in Northern Ireland through the plantation of Donegal Irish into the population.

My point is that there was a dialect of Irish native to Northern Ireland, it died out and was revived artificially in the 1970s through the introduction of a different dialect. In the same way, there was a dialect of Ulster-Scots native to Northern Ireland, it died out (though some dispute this) and was revived artificially in the 1990s.


The only thing that separates the two are time.

Geuze

I don't support SF.

I didn't vote for SF.

But I have to admit that depending on the market to provide housing is not, and will not, work.

jmayo

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Who is ignoring it? Anyone with a brain can see the situations are not comparable.


Nobody cared about Brexit...1% said it was an issue.

So Brexit has gone away just like the RA ?

Fecking great world we live in.
Now maybe if I close my eyes real tight and say the magic words then my fooking mortgage will go away.

gormdubhgorm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Who is ignoring it? Anyone with a brain can see the situations are not comparable.


Nobody cared about Brexit...1% said it was an issue.

Again man of straw Francie, and nitpicking on a turn of phrase.

I realise it was 1% 99% of ROI SF voters must have half a brain so by that logic?

You must be in the top 1%?

tdf7187

Dear oh dear, the Harrisites won't like this.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/ibec-says-sinn-f%C3%A9in-not-mad-when-it-comes-to-the-economy-1.4168977?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fbusiness%2Feconomy%2Fibec-says-sinn-f%25C3%25A9in-not-mad-when-it-comes-to-the-economy-1.4168977

Brian Hayes, the current head of IBEC, who was formerly an FG politician and no fan of SF to put it midly, has acknowledged that IBEC will have no problem working with SF.

Blaze420

Geuze wrote: »

I don't support SF.

I didn't vote for SF.

But I have to admit that depending on the market to provide housing is not, and will not, work.

Yes but neither is building 100k homes off the money tree. I’m sorry but the gloves have to come off with the homeless **** - how many of those people could actually pay rent on a house if they took a good look at income v expenditure? Social housing needs to be built and I wouldn’t disagree with that but first we need a real figure of those who need it can what is being screamed at us every week about “de homeliss”. Fraud and spoofery is rampant in that 10k figure and I am as a taxpayer am not giving it a 2nd thought until someone tells us the ****ing truth.

blanch152

Geuze wrote: »

I don't support SF.

I didn't vote for SF.

But I have to admit that depending on the market to provide housing is not, and will not, work.

Nobody is or was relying on the market to provide housing, that was another false narrative of the election.



https://rebuildingireland.ie/news/minister-murphy-publishes-social-housing-construction-status-report-for-q3-2019/

gormdubhgorm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I don't care. Keep it up. I find it tiresome out of context and used as a distraction. If you really cared you wouldn't be so disrespectful.

Says he to a poster who merely said the truth hurts - while dismissing murder and cover up of same - no accountability

Not only that trying to find any lesser crime from anywhere where people were held accountable - any politicians relations if need be (except SF).

Yet murder makes you yawn if there are republican or SF links and do not want accountability.

But theft, burglary, assault seem to give you an immense thrill. Especially if you can get a tenuous link to another political party (except SF).

It is strange how you can find no unaccountable murders that members of the current dail committed; or were involved/protected had knowledge of- as retort to defend SF?

olestoepoke

Bill 2.0 wrote: »

But they live in the UK so why should we care that much about them?


I don't give two ****s about some Irish lad living in Rochdale or where ever.

Every country has an obligation to care for its citizens right?

FrancieBrady

jmayo wrote: »

So Brexit has gone away just like the RA ?

Fecking great world we live in.
Now maybe if I close my eyes real tight and say the magic words then my fooking mortgage will go away.

1% of the electorate (that includes those who voted for FF and FG) said that Brexit was a concern to them.

I don't make up the facts. Deal with it.

Jinglejangle69

Interested to see what SF will do with water charges coming in this year.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

And what has that got to do with the deaths of the Antrim, Sperrin, Armagh and Derry sub-dialects of Irish?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Irish

The Eastern dialect of Ulster Irish died out in the six counties, Irish was then revived in Northern Ireland through the plantation of Donegal Irish into the population.

My point is that there was a dialect of Irish native to Northern Ireland, it died out and was revived artificially in the 1970s through the introduction of a different dialect. In the same way, there was a dialect of Ulster-Scots native to Northern Ireland, it died out (though some dispute this) and was revived artificially in the 1990s.


The only thing that separates the two are time.

And so what?

Irish is the native language of the island. That it dies out in areas you would expect it to is just more evidence of why it needs to be protected by legislation in both jurisdictions.

GreenandRed

Anyone with a brain can see the situations are not comparable.

Exactly Francie. Yet some claiming to have a brain draw tangents when asked a direct question because they haven't an earthly notion about how Irish politics work.

Blaze420

GreenandRed wrote: »

Anyone with a brain can see the situations are not comparable.

Exactly Francie. Yet some claiming to have a brain draw tangents when asked a direct question because they haven't an earthly notion about how Irish politics work.

Well oh wise one why don’t you answer the question I put to frankie so?

If SF made a balls of all those matters in a six county environment, what the **** makes you think they will do anything with twenty six?

Plumbthedepths

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Interested to see what SF will do with water charges coming in this year.

Hmmm over half the housing in the state are unmetered. Wonder how the charging regime will work. Any thoughts yourself?