What have we come to

smurgen

Allinall wrote: »

I haven’t seen any market manipulation in the last 10 years.

Any examples?

Are you absolutely joking me? NAMA may be the biggest manipulation of a market by a western government in the last 30 years.

Allinall

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Grand so. Why do you care if other tax payers need a hand? Does not effect you at all seemingly.

Why would someone care where their taxes are spent?

What sort of a stupid question is that?

Calhoun

Blaze420 wrote: »

There’s only 2 things certain in life - death & taxes. This dream of rolling in the cash and owning a house without a care in the world is what the euro millions is for. Reality is hard.

Honestly must be **** being so beaten down that you cannot expect and hope for better.

Thats not your fault believe me thats 10+ years of government neglect.

James Brown

Allinall wrote: »

I haven’t seen any market manipulation in the last 10 years.

Any examples?

Vulture funds buying up to rent at high rates or lease. Build to rent being the biggest builds currently. Buyers being priced out. Low taxation on vulture funds. Government/LA being a customer.

Blaze420

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Yeah, better to blame those worse off than you instead. It's easier to punch down after all.

Yeah I’d consider myself pretty bad off if that’s what you are asking so who am i punching down on?

Those who have never lifted a finger to support the economy but sat on their lazy useless holes taking in welfare payments and living the high life with bonus this and medical card that while I bust my ass 5 days a week working so my taxes can fund them? Those people can **** off and can’t be “punched” enough if you ask me.

Urethral Buttercup

Blaze420 wrote: »

There’s only 2 things certain in life - death & taxes. This dream of rolling in the cash and owning a house without a care in the world is what the euro millions is for. Reality is hard.

You're a sad case. Face to ground. Devoid of hope or imagination. Busy washing the master's feet. Resentful of anyone who thinks there might be a better way.

In other words, a willing slave.

James Brown

Allinall wrote: »

Why would someone care where their taxes are spent?

What sort of a stupid question is that?

He's no issue with what the government does, or if he does he'll not whinge about it anyway, seemingly.

I picture Grizzly Adams.

smurgen

Blaze420 wrote: »

Yeah I’m a millionaire alright - just about manage to pay my rent, keep the lights on and feed myself for the month. Am I whinging about it or blaming the government? Nope because Im a logical adult who’s getting on with what needs to be done, not crying my ****ing eyes out about the gubbermint

Well then your anger is misplaced.income inequality in Ireland is growing the top 1 and 5% have seen income grow while the bottom 40% have seen it shrink and our taxes are for the most part subsiding the lower paid,not the unemployed.have a read of this

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/irish-inequality-blamed-on-unusually-high-levels-of-low-pay-and-weak-protections-1.3798081

Plumbthedepths

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Good, certainly better than them having ministerial power.

Doubt FG or FF would agree with you, the last four years of C and S was to stop SF being the main party of opposition.

Blaze420

Urethral Buttercup wrote: »

You're a sad case. Face to ground. Devoid of hope or imagination. Busy washing the master feet. Resentful of anyone who thinks there might be a better way. In other words, a slave.

I suppose I should take inspiration from those courageous free spirits on the dole long term who refuse to “wash the masters feet”? **** out of here with that nonsense

Allinall

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Vulture funds buying up to rent at high rates or lease. Build to rent being the biggest builds currently. Buyers being priced out. Low taxation on vulture funds. Government/LA being a customer.

The only thing there that could possibly be classed as government interfering in the market would be low taxation of vulture funds.

What low taxation? They’re taxed the same as any other company.

BanditLuke

Fred Cryton wrote: »

I want to see FF/FG/Labour coalition. Some stability for 5 years, hopefully some tax cuts. And yes we'd get a good bit of social housing built.

Keep the Shinners out at all costs. Investment Funds are already removing their money from Irish property stocks on the mere suggestion they get into power. That will eventually impact on the ground. Could be a full blown recession if they do get in.

Also bear in mind at the next election, FF and FG will run fewer candidates. This will get them more seats.

Screw the investment funds. They have fuccked us all over.

smurgen

Blaze420 wrote: »

I suppose I should take inspiration from those courageous free spirits on the dole long term who refuse to “wash the masters feet”? **** out of here with that nonsense

You're not making any sense.

James Brown

Blaze420 wrote: »

Yeah I’d consider myself pretty bad off if that’s what you are asking so who am i punching down on?

Those who have never lifted a finger to support the economy but sat on their lazy useless holes taking in welfare payments and living the high life with bonus this and medical card that while I bust my ass 5 days a week working so my taxes can fund them? Those people can **** off and can’t be “punched” enough if you ask me.

Ah. So if you are finding it difficult you won't whinge about government but you'll whinge about people worse off than yourself who are not elected to manage your taxes. Cool.

Allinall

Matt Barrett wrote: »

He's no issue with what the government does, or if he does he'll not whinge about it anyway, seemingly.

I picture Grizzly Adams.

You’re in the wrong thread.

James Brown

Allinall wrote: »

The only thing there that could possibly be classed as government interfering in the market would be low taxation of vulture funds.

What low taxation? They’re taxed the same as any other company.

Vulture funds pay just €8,000 in tax on €10 billion of assets
https://www.thejournal.ie/vulture-funds-2-3176030-Jan2017/

Vulture funds loaded IREFs with 90% debt to sidestep withholding tax
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/vulture-funds-loaded-irefs-with-90-debt-to-sidestep-withholding-tax-1.4045473?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fbusiness%2Fcommercial-property%2Fvulture-funds-loaded-irefs-with-90-debt-to-sidestep-withholding-tax-1.4045473

UN says Ireland applies 'preferential tax laws' to vultures funds and it 'cannot continue'
https://www.thejournal.ie/un-ireland-vultures-funds-tax-4563403-Mar2019/

Low taxation and giving them custom, (25 year leases and the like). This puts pressure on individual renters and would-be buyers.

Allinall wrote: »

You’re in the wrong thread.

The chap seems to have no issue with government but blames those on lower incomes, or should I say whinges about.

Blaze420

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Ah. So if you are finding it difficult you won't whinge about government but you'll whinge about people worse off than yourself who are not elected to manage your taxes. Cool.

What’s the point in whinging? I have my rent to pay, bills each month and assorted other things and I’m left with an amount. If I want to improve that, I need to talk to my employer or find a better paid job - you know the way it has been forever? Instead, what you and others are preaching is that i should become a bitter person ranting about the gubbermint this and that when the gubbermint has **** all to do with my personal situation....

Gynoid

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Any person working a full time job should be able to provide for themselves.

Not in race to the bottom globalist utopias.
How people cannot understand the economic chokehold global corporations have over all of earths citizens, I just dont know. Cheap labour, cheap goods, slave based economies, global capital moving freely making money for the minute percentage of people at the apex of the planet's population, vulture funds racing round gobbling up land, resources, ports, fuel etc. It is a feudalist world and we are the modern peasants. No party is going to magically change that. Fiat based currency is invented at the top of the food chain and has almost zero worth by the time it trickles down to us time starved wage slaves. There was a time when a great many people worked in factories making local goods, or provided local services, could get home at lunch time for their dinner, had unions that fought and won workers rights and fair wages, economies were more local and sustainable and the uber rich were happy to play at colonialist oil barons. But then the rich wanted more, far more, endless wealth and power, a bite out of every apple, and the bottom tier peasants were turned into literal sweat and blood slaves and the top tier peasants grabbed all the shiny beads and baubles, and bought into the happy clappy globalism where we are good boys and girls, federally governed and united planeteers, working endlessly to get precisely nowhere.

James Brown

Blaze420 wrote: »

What’s the point in whinging? I have my rent to pay, bills each month and assorted other things and I’m left with an amount. If I want to improve that, I need to talk to my employer or find a better paid job - you know the way it has been forever? Instead, what you and others are preaching is that i should become a bitter person ranting about the gubbermint this and that when the gubbermint has **** all to do with my personal situation....

Treat working tax payers the same you would government, just leave them to it and stop whinging?
People are trying to get by. Circumstances made worse by government mismanagement might not concern you but that's okay.

Blaze420

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Treat working tax payers the same you would government, just leave them to it and stop whinging?
People are trying to get by. Circumstances made worse by government mismanagement might not concern you but that's okay.

You are just making vague sound bites, I’m telling you like it is. I’m just trying to get by as well but blaming the government for the wage I’m on or the money I have left after rent and bills i chose to pay is a bit pointless don’t you think?

And if anything the welfare class are treated better so stop talking about them like is the era of Angela’s ashes - I need inhalers that cost me 100e a month combined. How much does a welfare recipient with a medical card pay for the same, 50c or shock horror 1e? Costs me 60e per doctor visit - how much do they have to pay for same?

Foxtrol

Gynoid wrote: »

Not in race to the bottom globalist utopias.
How people cannot understand the economic chokehold global corporations have over all of earths citizens, I just dont know. Cheap labour, cheap goods, slave based economies, global capital moving freely making money for the minute percentage of people at the apex of the planet's population, vulture funds racing round gobbling up land, resources, ports, fuel etc. It is a feudalist world and we are the modern peasants. No party is going to magically change that. Fiat based currency is invented at the top of the food chain and has almost zero worth by the time it trickles down to us time starved wage slaves. There was a time when a great many people worked in factories making local goods, or provided local services, could get home at lunch time for their dinner, had unions that fought and won workers rights and fair wages, economies were more local and sustainable and the uber rich were happy to play at colonialist oil barons. But then the rich wanted more, far more, endless wealth and power, a bite out of every apple, and the bottom tier peasants were turned into literal sweat and blood slaves and the top tier peasants grabbed all the shiny beads and baubles, and bought into the happy clappy globalism where we are good boys and girls, federally governed and united planeteers, working endlessly to get precisely nowhere.

Wow, that is some MAGA like nostalgic nonsense there

Allinall

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Low taxation and giving them custom, (25 year leases and the like). This puts pressure on individual renters and would-be buyers.



The chap seems to have no issue with government but blames those on lower incomes, or should I say whinges about.

First link- companies or individuals generally don’t pay tax on assets.

Second link- shows the government actively combatting the so called “aggressive “ tax avoidance schemes being used. Surely commendable?

Third link- SF propaganda with no substance.

Gynoid

Foxtrol wrote: »

Wow, that is some MAGA like nostalgic nonsense there

That was my experience with my Dad working making a living wage using Irish raw material to make products for the home market in a factory 200 yards from where we lived. Unions were a big part of life in those places, big part of home chat too. Whole towns lived and then died around these places as the unions were gradually smashed by globalist big capital interests.The fact that you think it is made up right wing fantasy is telling and sad.

James Brown

Blaze420 wrote: »

You are just making vague sound bites, I’m telling you like it is. I’m just trying to get by as well but blaming the government for the wage I’m on or the money I have left after rent and bills i chose to pay is a bit pointless don’t you think?

And if anything the welfare class are treated better so stop talking about them like is the era of Angela’s ashes - I need inhalers that cost me 100e a month combined. How much does a welfare recipient with a medical card pay for the same, 50c or shock horror 1e? Costs me 60e per doctor visit - how much do they have to pay for same?

Pointing out you say no point in whingeing about government yet you seem happy to whinge about those worse off who don't make polices you seem to have issue with. Seems odd to me.

James Brown

Allinall wrote: »

First link- companies or individuals generally don’t pay tax on assets.

Second link- shows the government actively combatting the so called “aggressive “ tax avoidance schemes being used. Surely commendable?

Third link- SF propaganda with no substance.

The UN?

Anyway, there your market manipulation. Inviting and and using vulture funds who pit pressure on individuals buy driving up or maintaining high rents etc.

Allinall

Matt Barrett wrote: »

The UN?

Anyway, there your market manipulation. Inviting and and using vulture funds who pit pressure on individuals buy driving up or maintaining high rents etc.

Inviting and using?

How so?

ChikiChiki

Blaze420 wrote: »

What’s the point in whinging? I have my rent to pay, bills each month and assorted other things and I’m left with an amount. If I want to improve that, I need to talk to my employer or find a better paid job - you know the way it has been forever? Instead, what you and others are preaching is that i should become a bitter person ranting about the gubbermint this and that when the gubbermint has **** all to do with my personal situation....

What a condescending post. Serious question. Do you think you get value from your taxes?

I don't think my hard earned money has been well spent. I know of an elderly person with a lung infection who not long ago had heart surgery over 48 hours on a trolley at the minute.

There are Zero excuses for that. Absolutely zero. But as long as your alright eh??

Donald Trump

bladespin wrote: »

Don't think so, the faux outrage is getting more commentary than the Ra comment itself.

Would it make you wonder then why the leader of his party said that he would have to explain himself when informed about what he said?

Calhoun

Allinall wrote: »

I haven’t seen any market manipulation in the last 10 years.

Any examples?

1. The removal of bedsits without viable alternatives.
2. The handling of NAMA and selling off of housing stock cheap.
3. The rental pressure zones, which lock in prices at higher level essentially protecting investors.
4. Increasing incentives for first time buyers without increasing the ability for builders to actually build.
5. Letting the vulture funds be the only show in town when it comes to investment.

The government essentially have manipulated the market to ensure that there is a decent return for investors. Had they actually introduced change that would see growth for the public the rental yields would not be as good.

gormdubhgorm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

For starters, they don't have the DUP to deal with.

Mind you... FG are huffing in the corner in very much of a similar fashion because somebody took their ball.



On a serious note: I certainly haven't suggested SF are going to create a nirvana of harmony. Just like a UI, there is no guarantees.

I want the duopoly broken up and a fairer society.

Handy excuse blaming the DUP - SF actually let social welfare control go back to westminster!

The SDLP chastised them for it

Social Welfare cuts NI:

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:3Kdvi9pOC4gJ:https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/sinn-f%25C3%25A9in-under-fire-over-welfare-cuts-move-1.2435441+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie

SF have actually widened the gap between rich and poor in NI

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/02/10/celebrating-sinn-fein-election-surge-consider-their-pro-austerity-record-north


Left wing only when it suits it seems.