What have we come to

James Brown

holyhead wrote: »

Your post makes absolutely no sense to me!

SC was voted as leader by the members of FG. Higher ups in FG put LV in.
I assumed you knew?

holyhead

Matt Barrett wrote: »

SC was voted as leader by the members of FG. Higher ups in FG put LV in.
I assumed you knew?

My understanding was the vote for Varadkar was to get the leadership back in the hands of a Dublin based TD given that EK was rural based. If you can post me any link that backs up your assertion please do!

um7y1h83ge06nx

What's the next song Sinn Fein will do for the cameras?

I'm hoping for a bit of Go Home British Soldiers or Kinky Boots myself.

Finish it off by firing a few rounds into the air.

Running the country can wait for a later date.

maninasia

Ubbquittious wrote: »

What's the alternative? Vote in the EU / corporatist lapdogs who despite being supposedly right wing want to tax you more and more for living in your own house that they had nothing to do with the building of in the form of property tax and broadcasting charges, mandatory private bin collection service. Who knows what other annual charges into the 100s of euros for simply existing FFG had planned to reveal to us once they obtained a fresh 5 year mandate to tear into

You somehow think Sinn Fein won't be whacking on more charges and taxes for this and that. Have you seen theiir goodies for everyone 'plan'. Is an income tax better than a property tax or a tax on commuters ?
Good luck.

After weeks of campaigning, I don’t think that anyone really wants to be in government.

SF didn’t run many candidates and had a ridiculous manifesto because they weren’t really expecting the success they had. Now that people voted for them, they’re suddenly realising people expect them to deliver what they said. They need to make it look like they are trying to form a government and make FFG look bad for not going in with them. They would prefer to be opposition.

FG have been in power for 9 years. They don’t want to be a number 2 party. They’d be better letting FF/SF go in together and they’ll bounce right back in 5 years. Maybe sooner.

FF expected to do better and still seem shell shocked they’ve not done as well.

Don’t think any of them really want it with the coalition’s required to make it work.

citysights

Fg and ff sat on their hands while ordinary people struggled to find housing within their means. Nothing or very little left at the end on the month after paying exorbitant rent, no money left to save for mortgage deposit, long work commutes. Karma bites, didn’t vote sf, voted independents but totally get where these people are coming from, many young people, workers, graduates etc who feel sf are their last hope at having a life. Wake up call for fg and ff big time.

Duke of Url

citysights wrote: »

Fg and ff sat on their hands while ordinary people struggled to find housing within their means. Nothing or very little left at the end on the month after paying exorbitant rent, no money left to save for mortgage deposit, long work commutes. Karma bites, didn’t vote sf, voted independents but totally get where these people are coming from, many young people, workers, graduates etc who feel sf are their last hope at having a life. Wake up call for fg and ff big time.

I think many of them are about to get there dreams crushed.

FrancieBrady

Duke of Url wrote: »

I think many of them are about to get there dreams crushed.

So the worst that can happen is there won't be any change for them? I think that is what has happened. People have decided the risk is worth it.

BTW if FG have done what they have claimed to have done, nobody should be able to wreck the economy anymore, in the way FF did while being cheered on by others. Proper oversight and regulation, if they have been put in place should take care of it.

Calhoun

Duke of Url wrote: »

I think many of them are about to get there dreams crushed.

You know what the say about the definition of insanity. I don't think allot of people who voted for SF feel there dreams will be solved but its more of a **** the existing crowd and see if something changes.

For SF its not without its challenges though as ML has to convert those new fair weather voters into something permanent. Good article on it below.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/mary-lou-mcdonald-is-caught-between-the-old-and-the-new-1.4168789

Duke of Url

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So the worst that can happen is there won't be any change for them? I think that is what has happened. People have decided the risk is worth it.

BTW if FG have done what they have claimed to have done, nobody should be able to wreck the economy anymore, in the way FF did while being cheered on by others. Proper oversight and regulation, if they have been put in place should take care of it.

No. I think it could be a lot worse for everyone. I admit that FG messed up in a lot of ways but I think we are in for a massive sh1tshow with this Robinhood approach with SF and their socialist programme.

FF and FG need to stand back and watch.

FrancieBrady

Duke of Url wrote: »

No. I think it could be a lot worse for everyone. I admit that FG messed up in a lot of ways but I think we are in for a massive sh1tshow with this Robinhood approach with SF and their socialist programme.

FF and FG need to stand back and watch.

Why?

They might fail on their promises. But if FG did what they said they did - put oversight and regulations in place, and boot the regulators up the proverbial- then nobody should be able to crash the country.

What will happen is just another government has failed. Proceed to polling booth, elect a new one, and carry on.

No?

What else can happen, if the previous government did it's job...and did what it promised to do?

James Brown

holyhead wrote: »

My understanding was the vote for Varadkar was to get the leadership back in the hands of a Dublin based TD given that EK was rural based. If you can post me any link that backs up your assertion please do!

Only 35% of the party voted for him. It was the parliamentary party wanted him. It's common knowledge.
Google it.

Calhoun

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Only 35% of the party voted for him. It was the parliamentary party wanted him. It's common knowledge.
Google it.

Be an interesting few days, both he and Martin could face a heave.

Bill 2.0

citysights wrote: »

Fg and ff sat on their hands while ordinary people struggled to find housing within their means. Nothing or very little left at the end on the month after paying exorbitant rent, no money left to save for mortgage deposit, long work commutes. Karma bites, didn’t vote sf, voted independents but totally get where these people are coming from, many young people, workers, graduates etc who feel sf are their last hope at having a life. Wake up call for fg and ff big time.

It's only about 1 in 5 people that rent in this country and that includes people paying a pittance of rent for social housing.


The media told you housing was a huge issue and you believeed it hook, line and sinker.

FrancieBrady

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Only 35% of the party voted for him. It was the parliamentary party wanted him. It's common knowledge.
Google it.

It's crazy isn't it. People flat out going on about 'transparency' in political party's and they don't know what went on with the FG leadership election. So blind they cannot see, springs to mind.

Duke of Url

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Why?

They might fail on their promises. But if FG did what they said they did - put oversight and regulations in place, and boot the regulators up the proverbial- then nobody should be able to crash the country.

What will happen is just another government has failed. Proceed to polling booth, elect a new one, and carry on.

No?

What else can happen, if the previous government did it's job...and did what it promised to do?

How will you judge SF when they mess up?

Will you hold them to the same contempt as FF or FG?

James Brown

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Why?

They might fail on their promises. But if FG did what they said they did - put oversight and regulations in place, and boot the regulators up the proverbial- then nobody should be able to crash the country.

What will happen is just another government has failed. Proceed to polling booth, elect a new one, and carry on.

No?

What else can happen, if the previous government did it's job...and did what it promised to do?

Kenny was the real historic political waster. Varadkar was just the lad in on experience.

FrancieBrady

Duke of Url wrote: »

How will you judge SF when they mess up?

Will you hold them to the same contempt as FF or FG?

I actually don't hold FF and FG in contempt, our local FG TD is a family friend.

I will judge SF if they fail to do what I want them to do. Begin creating a fairer society.

If they do a Labour or Green make yourself comfy in the seats stunt, they can be assured of no vote from me next time out.

James Brown

Duke of Url wrote: »

How will you judge SF when they mess up?

Will you hold them to the same contempt as FF or FG?

For me, if they act like FF/FG they'll get the same amount of hugs. Zero hugs.
If they try but make a balls, I'll not be running out to keep them in but I won't put them at the FF/FG level.

FrancieBrady

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Kenny was the real historic political waster. Varadkar was just the lad in on experience.

Nobody should be ever able to get away with crshing the country Matt, if FG did their job.
The regulators were asleep on the job and the opposition ignored the warnings and actually asked FF for more spending before it all went pearshaped in 2008.
FG claimed that would not happen again.

Fann Linn

Bill 2.0 wrote: »

It's only about 1 in 5 people that rent in this country and that includes people paying a pittance of rent for social housing.

The media told you housing was a huge issue and you believeed it hook, line and sinker.

But those 1/5 have families, friends and relatives and,
'You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows'

Fann Linn

Fann Linn wrote: »

But those 1/5 have families, friends and relatives and,
'You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows'

The 1 in 5 figure is from 2016, the figure in 2006 was 1 in 10. Those figures are for households not individual people.

Be interesting to see what the actual figures for 2020 are

jimmycrackcorm

holyhead wrote: »

What boggles my mind is the hold on power that Adams/McGuinness had on the leadership of SF for so long. I can't recall anyone sticking their head above the parapet to replace either. Obviously given the stunning election result here in the republic I don't expect Mary Lou to be challenged anytime soon. But it will be interesting to see if she is eventually challenged. Not a lot is known about how SF operate. What influence does Adams have in the party now? Is Mary Lou an actual leader or a more acceptable front for Adams?

While SF understandably bask in electoral glory they will be under the spotlight like never before.

In the history of Sinn Fein there never been a leadership contest. All their leaders have been voted in by the membership but in the same way north Korea votes in Kim.

There's someting distinctly wrong with a political party that discourages open challenges for the leadership.
It's almost as if the party is run by an army...

markodaly

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Irrelevant nonsense, FG made a promise and renaged but yet some supporters of FG feel others have to be held to a higher standard. You couldn't make it up.

Oh so you think that being in a minority government is 'irrelevant' do you?
Tell me how does one go into a minority government and enact their entire manifesto while being supported on this by other parties.

I am sure SF will be very interested in your theory here.

I will look forward to the entire SF manifesto being enacted once they get into government with their 37 seats.
Ah bless! You will learn!

jimmycrackcorm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

So should the Irish have written a strongly worded letter to the British state in 1918 as opposed to taking up arms against them? Bearing in mind that the War of Independence only came about after repeated attempts to solve the home rule issue through the legislative process were blocked for one reason or another by the British government?

Scotland got the choice of a referendum to decide if they wanted independence without firing a single shot.

markodaly

blanch152 wrote: »

I must say that I am enjoying the desperate spinning from Sinn Fein. They know that their tax policies would spook the markets and have no chance of raising the revenue promised and they also know that there was a big hole anyway in their numbers. They never expected to be in this position and the challenge of actual delivery is something that they didn't expect to face. It is one thing for Eoin O'Broin to sit in a tv studio and explain how he will do things differently, it is another to actually do it.

I was very interested in that chap from Finance last night who explained that the Sinn Fein idea of building 100,000 homes on State land doesn't work if there isn't enough State land.

So Sinn Fein are trying to spin now that FF and FG should play their part. Posters on here who have spent years shouting and screaming that "FFG" as they call it should be thrown out, are desperately saying that they have to step up. It is laughable and pathetic.

Senior hurling now lads!!

I agree, SF talking to SOL-PBP and Greens before talking to FF is stupid.
PBP cannnot even agree with themselves, there are split between not two but 3 parties, PBP, Solidarity and Rise. How in goods name can they agree to a programe for government with SF, the SD's and the Greens, never mind FF.

Lunatic stuff.

The people of Ireland will soon see who the left in Ireland really operates.

James Brown

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Nobody should be ever able to get away with crshing the country Matt, if FG did their job.
The regulators were asleep on the job and the opposition ignored the warnings and actually asked FF for more spending before it all went pearshaped in 2008.
FG claimed that would not happen again.

Well FG got in on 'no more quangos, no more cronyism, change the way we do business' and did the opposite. Then you've them pushing onward with policy that created crises and made other problems worse.
The fact that the economy is doing well and we've high employment shows their ideas do not work for the country as the crises worsen, but they kept going.

FrancieBrady

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Scotland got the choice of a referendum to decide if they wanted independence without firing a single shot.

Who was beaten off the streets in Scotland when they put their noses up for equal treatment? Or endured decades of being treated as dirt and second class citizens?

Sad, uneducated, cheap and nonsense point.

If you'd lived my father's life (an absolute pacifist) you'd have different point of view.

FrancieBrady

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Well FG got in on 'no more quangos, no more cronyism, change the way we do business' and did the opposite. Then you've them pushing onward with policy that created crises and made other problems worse.
The fact that the economy is doing well and we've high employment shows their ideas do not work for the country but they kept going.

And according to the Daily Mail ( I know..caution required) tomorrow they are meeting with FF and the Greens and planning to build build build.

While Leo is trying to keep the attention on FG by huffing.

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Who was beaten off the streets in Scotland when they put their noses up for equal treatment? Or endured decades of being treated as dirt and second class citizens?

Sad, uneducated, cheap and nonsense point.

If you'd lived my father's life (an absolute pacifist) you'd have different point of view.

Still does not give one right to murder women and children Francie.
Whatabout away regardless.