What have we come to

Duke of Url

Bowie wrote: »

Bertie Ahern considers himself a socialist too.

Fair play to him

FrancieBrady

Ol' Donie wrote: »

How'd you work that out?

Only 20% voted for FG.

Foxtrol

Billcarson wrote: »

Yeh like the stable future ff gave us a decade ago.

And rather than learning from the mistake of voting based on who offered to give them most stuff, the electorate this time in sizable numbers voted for the party that offered completely unsustainable spending, double what is estimated to be available, and also believes that 'demographics will look after itself' when it comes to future budgeting.

Ol' Donie

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Only 20% voted for FG.

Oh, right.

I thought you were referring to the FG/FF team up, which of course recieved far, far more votes than Sinn Fein.

FrancieBrady

Ol' Donie wrote: »

Oh, right.

I thought you were referring to the FG/FF team up, which of course recieved far, far more votes than Sinn Fein.

One of them said that would not be on offer again. That they were confident that they would get enough to form a government without FG.

The Rape of Lucretia

Ol' Donie wrote: »

I thought you were referring to the FG/FF team up, which of course recieved far, far more votes than Sinn Fein.

And I would expect an FF/FG team up to do everything in their power, up to but excluding; murder, armed robbery, extorsion, terrorism, bombings, gun running, punishment beatings, booby traps, the manufacture of explosives, intimidation, torture, kidnappings, secterian attacks, protection rackets, knee-capping, disappearing, and summary executions, to avoid any form of government involving SF.
If they cannot form a government, without resorting to those methods, then, I would accept that they should not form a government.

Finty Lemon

FrancieBrady wrote: »

One of them said that would not be on offer again. That they were confident that they would get enough to form a government without FG.

And here was me thinking FFG was an actual thing. Turns out it doesnt exist
SFFARC on the other hand...

Finty Lemon

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

And I would expect an FF/FG team up to do everything in their power, up to but excluding; murder, armed robbery, extorsion, terrorism, bombings, gun running, punishment beatings, booby traps, the manufacture of explosives, intimidation, torture, kidnappings, secterian attacks, protection rackets, knee-capping, disappearing, and summary executions, to avoid any form of government involving SF.
If they cannot form a government, without resorting to those methods, then, I would accept that they should not form a government.

24% equals a right to authority.
If not there will be hell to pay. Apparently.

1o059k7ewrqj3n

Duke of Url wrote: »

The Irish Times states

Yeah I can’t say agree with the Irish Times analysis there, but if you want to treat every word printed in it as sacrosanct good for you. I hope it works out for you. I wouldn’t say the likes of Jack O’ Connor would ever describe themselves as Socialist, mean less genuinely mean it.

Jinglejangle69

Finty Lemon wrote: »

24% equals a right to authority.
If not there will be hell to pay. Apparently.

The people voted for change!!!!

Duke of Url

Steyr 556 wrote: »

Yeah I can’t say agree with the Irish Times analysis there, but if you want to treat every word printed in it as sacrosanct good for you. I hope it works out for you. I wouldn’t say the likes of Jack O’ Connor would ever describe themselves as Socialist, mean less genuinely mean it.

I found out you are talking boll0x

I watched the leaders debates and Mr Howlin himself proposed talks with the Social Democrats and the Green Party after the election next week, saying it was important to have a "left-of-centre progressive alliance".

Labour classify themselves as being on the left.

riclad

Why the sudden surge for votes for SF , young people are fed up, paying high rent, the housing crisis, its hard to save for a deposit,when paying 1000 per month in rent.
theres no sign fine gael will change this .
Voting for sinn fein is a f u to fianna fail and fianna gael.
Fianna gael were complacent. ah sure we will never need sf to form a government.
i don,t think the sinn fein economic plans make sense in the real world,
reduce tax,s build 100k house,s .

Jinglejangle69

riclad wrote: »

Why the sudden surge for votes for SF , young people are fed up, paying high rent, the housing crisis, its hard to save for a deposit,when paying 1000 per month in rent.
theres no sign fine gael will change this .
Voting for sinn fein is a f u to fianna fail and fianna gael.
Fianna gael were complacent. ah sure we will never need sf to form a government.
i don,t think the sinn fein economic plans make sense in the real world,
reduce tax,s build 100k house,s .

Everything you listed was the same 50 years ago.

People had to save, cut back on nights out, eat beans and toast each week, cut their cloth to measure.

No foreign holidays, no 2 cars. No ipads, Netflix, take aways where a once a year treat. Now it's 3 times a week.

Nights out where a rarity, clothes were just a necessity not a statement.

This generation is entitled and spoiled and have no clue about financial prudence.

smurgen

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Everything you listed was the same 50 years ago.

People had to save, cut back on nights out, eat beans and toast each week, cut their cloth to measure.

No foreign holidays, no 2 cars. No ipads, Netflix, take aways where a once a year treat. Now it's 3 times a week.

Nights out where a rarity, clothes were just a necessity not a statement.

This generation is entitled and spoiled and have no clue about financial prudence.

You're speaking through your hoop.you sound like someone in the daily mail comments section that gets mysteriously bumped by the algorithms.
Real wages have not grown in line with costs.
Your points above are almost so nonsensical it really really would have been better if you didn't throw in an opinion when you've nothing to add.
Our proportional spend on various items has changed drastically for various circumstances. For example food is infinitely cheaper due to industrialization of the food supply. This is demonstrated by countless empirical studies.
Please speak no more on items you've no knowledge of.

1o059k7ewrqj3n

Duke of Url wrote: »

I found out you are talking boll0x

I watched the leaders debates and Mr Howlin himself proposed talks with the Social Democrats and the Green Party after the election next week, saying it was important to have a "left-of-centre progressive alliance".

Labour classify themselves as being on the left.

Where did you read that, the Irish Times?

Well yeah they would say that, do you think anyone believes them? Their greatest achievement when in government was, according to them, to mildly tone down FGs austerity and pro-business antics.

Which in actual fact was **** all.

citysights

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Everything you listed was the same 50 years ago.

People had to save, cut back on nights out, eat beans and toast each week, cut their cloth to measure.

No foreign holidays, no 2 cars. No ipads, Netflix, take aways where a once a year treat. Now it's 3 times a week.

Nights out where a rarity, clothes were just a necessity not a statement.

This generation is entitled and spoiled and have no clue about financial prudence.

Utter nonsense, fg and ff are clearly rattled by the sf support. Incidentally I didn’t vote sf but reading trite like this would almost make me want to. The young are being put to the pin of their collar trying to source affordable accommodation, keep their car on the road to get to work or college, pay childcare, car insurance etc.

Every generation blames the one before blah blah ...

Duke of Url

Steyr 556 wrote: »

Where did you read that, the Irish Times?

Well yeah they would say that, do you think anyone believes them? Their greatest achievement when in government was, according to them, to mildly tone down FGs austerity and pro-business antics.

Which in actual fact was **** all.

No I just watched the leaders debate on the Clare Byrne show on RTE player

Jinglejangle69

citysights wrote: »

Utter nonsense, fg and ff are clearly rattled by the sf support. Incidentally I didn’t vote sf but reading trite like this would almost make me want to. The young are being put to the pin of their collar trying to source affordable accommodation, keep their car on the road to get to work or college, pay childcare, car insurance etc.

Every generation blames the one before blah blah ...

Your last sentence is agreeing with me.

The youth think they have it worst than the last generation and its their fault!!

BS!!

blanch152

citysights wrote: »

Utter nonsense, fg and ff are clearly rattled by the sf support. Incidentally I didn’t vote sf but reading trite like this would almost make me want to. The young are being put to the pin of their collar trying to source affordable accommodation, keep their car on the road to get to work or college, pay childcare, car insurance etc.

Every generation blames the one before blah blah ...

Look at the new Sinn Fein TD from Clare. Her family is taking home 50k per year in welfare, equivalent to 80k before tax for a public servant, and she doesn’t pay a mortgage or rent.

She is 32.

Some of the young generation have a great life.

citysights

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Your last sentence is agreeing with me.

The youth think they have it worst than the last generation and its their fault!!

BS!!

It’s not about agreeing with you it’s about recognising that the young people are having a really hard time in Ireland now. A little empathy towards people and making their lives better... becoming a society again...

smurgen

blanch152 wrote: »

Look at the new Sinn Fein TD from Clare. Her family is taking home 50k per year in welfare, equivalent to 80k before tax for a public servant, and she doesn’t pay a mortgage or rent.

She is 32.

Some of the young generation have a great life.

Some but on average you're wrong.
Millennials are more likely to be in poverty than any previous generation.
This is seen almost all across the western world and is why younger people are mobilised More and more politically.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/milennials-working-age-poverty-statistics-baby-boomers-resolution-foundation-a8924286.html

citysights

smurgen wrote: »

Some but on average you're wrong.
Millennials are more likely to be in poverty than any previous generation.
This is seen almost all across the western world and is why younger people are mobilised More and more politically.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/milennials-working-age-poverty-statistics-baby-boomers-resolution-foundation-a8924286.html

Growing divide between rich and poor it’s well documented.

Jinglejangle69

smurgen wrote: »

Some but on average you're wrong.
Millennials are more likely to be in poverty than any previous generation.
This is seen almost all across the western world and is why younger people are mobilised More and more politically.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/milennials-working-age-poverty-statistics-baby-boomers-resolution-foundation-a8924286.html

Poverty my hoop.

Jinglejangle69

citysights wrote: »

Growing divide between rich and poor it’s well documented.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/low-paid-irish-tax-system-is-more-friendly-than-other-countries-1.3545569%3fmode=amp

"The flip side is that the Irish tax system is, according to the OECD, the most progressive among its EU members and the second most progressive in the OECD as a whole. This means that the gap between what the highest and the lowest pay in tax in Ireland is particularly large"

smurgen

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Poverty my hoop.

Your posts are poverty.

Jinglejangle69

smurgen wrote: »

Your posts are poverty.

Well that really told me.

Jinglejangle69

smurgen wrote: »

You're speaking through your hoop.you sound like someone in the daily mail comments section that gets mysteriously bumped by the algorithms.
Real wages have not grown in line with costs.
Your points above are almost so nonsensical it really really would have been better if you didn't throw in an opinion when you've nothing to add.
Our proportional spend on various items has changed drastically for various circumstances. For example food is infinitely cheaper due to industrialization of the food supply. This is demonstrated by countless empirical studies.
Please speak no more on items you've no knowledge of.

All I took from this is food is cheaper.

Is that your point, like what has that to do with anything I said??

citysights

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

All I took from this is food is cheaper.

Is that your point, like what has that to do with anything I said??

Well you did say the young have take aways three times a week which is just your opinion and an attempt at deflection from the very serious matter of their housing needs and the general in affordability of living in Ireland for them.

smurgen

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

All I took from this is food is cheaper.

Is that your point, like what has that to do with anything I said??

I dunno you were the one that brought up the idiotic point about takeaway.

Jinglejangle69

smurgen wrote: »

I dunno you were the one that brought up the idiotic point about takeaway.

What that Ireland leads the way in child obesity and you think take aways and how many there is in Ireland and how much we consume nowadays compared to 40 years ago is an idiotic point?

Yeah there's no correlation there.