What have we come to

Fred Cryton

maccored wrote: »

you'll find theres quite a few of those -many of whom have voted sf more than once. amazed some people believe the scumbags, the uneducated and the poor are the only ones to vote sf, type theory. scumbags, the uneducated and the poor vote for all kinds of parties

Not all Brexiteers are racist, but all of the racists voted for Brexit....


Not all SF supporters are grey tracksuit wearing welfare dependent provo sympathizers, but all of the grey tracksuit wearing welfare dependent provo sympathizers voted for SF.

Jizique

wrangler wrote: »

+1
They should've been fecked out instead of the politicians

“Drain the swamp” - UKIP-style or Trump style?
Well done to SF and their “change” mantra but the combination of nationalism and socialism is a dangerous one

olestoepoke

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Not all Brexiteers are racist, but all of the racists voted for Brexit....


Not all SF supporters are grey tracksuit wearing welfare dependent provo sympathizers, but all of the grey tracksuit wearing welfare dependent provo sympathizers voted for SF.

Not all grey tracksuit wearing provo sympathisers are dependent on welfare and not all who are dependent on welfare wear grey tracksuits.:D

Tony EH

Bill 2.0 wrote: »

Oh cool, when did that get finished?


Thought they were only still in the planning phase.

It didn't and it's still going up.

Thanks, the party of "fiscal responsibility". :pac:

Bill 2.0

Jizique wrote: »

“Drain the swamp” - UKIP-style or Trump style?
Well done to SF and their “change” mantra but the combination of nationalism and socialism is a dangerous one

"National Socialists" as it were. That kind of rings a bell, hmmmmmmmmm.

Yurt2

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Oh so he wrote a book on the subject...he must be an expert so ;-) Remind me from what prestigious university he received his PhD on housing...oh i see...


Increasing social housing requirement to 25% as O'Brien wants? Everyone in the industry saying this would be disastrous move and would immediately dry up supply of financing for new development....but sure your messiah O'Broin wrote a book so he must know more than those actually in the industry right?

You move the goalposts as well. First said experts,


You're brainwashed, wake up.

I can tell from that post you've not read the policy in any great detail (if at all), nor the housing policy documents from the other major parties. I'm not the one that has been captured by propoganda and electioneering messaging.

You moved the goalposts, first you said that experts wouldn't approve of O'Broin's policies without knowledge of the fact that Ireland's foremost housing economist Lorcan Sirr has actually spoken in favour of them (see SoundCloud link). Now you want O'Broin to have a PhD.

https://m.soundcloud.com/morning-ireland/housing-what-does-change-look-like

Silly stuff from you.

My only messiah is our lord above.

maccored

Fred Cryton wrote: »

Not all Brexiteers are racist, but all of the racists voted for Brexit....


Not all SF supporters are grey tracksuit wearing welfare dependent provo sympathizers, but all of the grey tracksuit wearing welfare dependent provo sympathizers voted for SF.

Prize waffle you have there

joeguevara

Deep Thought wrote: »

People wanted something else and voted for change.. so did America

Some people voted for change. Majority of people didn’t. The some people who voted for change don’t seem to get that and are calling for mass demonstrations because their party of choice doesn’t look like being in government.

Shefwedfan

maccored wrote: »

you'll find theres quite a few of those -many of whom have voted sf more than once. amazed some people believe the scumbags, the uneducated and the poor are the only ones to vote sf, type theory. scumbags, the uneducated and the poor vote for all kinds of parties

Anyone who went to college, has spent a number of years working themselves up to a decent position in a company and earning a decent living would be f**king nuts to vote SF

All they want is to take money off the people that’s have worked for it and hand to the wasters of Ireland, don’t reward the people who went to college, reward the gobs**t who left school after junior cert and now complains he cant get a good job

That’s the SF way....

Brendan Bendar

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Anyone who went to college, has spent a number of years working themselves up to a decent position in a company and earning a decent living would be f**king nuts to vote SF

All they want is to take money off the people that’s have worked for it and hand to the wasters of Ireland, don’t reward the people who went to college, reward the gobs**t who left school after junior cert and now complains he cant get a good job

That’s the SF way....

You are correct,sir.

Bill 2.0

joeguevara wrote: »

Some people voted for change. Majority of people didn’t. The some people who voted for change don’t seem to get that and are calling for mass demonstrations because their party of choice doesn’t look like being in government.

"But Hilary won the popular vote!"

/doesn't understand how elections work in their country but is willing to take to the streets over it

Brendan Bendar

joeguevara wrote: »

Some people voted for change. Majority of people didn’t. The some people who voted for change don’t seem to get that and are calling for mass demonstrations because their party of choice doesn’t look like being in government.

That’s the Trotters way of doing things joe.

Getting more and more prevalent......it’s called ‘ Bullhorn Bulldust’ in some quarters.

Deep Thought

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Anyone who went to college, has spent a number of years working themselves up to a decent position in a company and earning a decent living would be f**king nuts to vote SF

All they want is to take money off the people that’s have worked for it and hand to the wasters of Ireland, don’t reward the people who went to college, reward the gobs**t who left school after junior cert and now complains he cant get a good job

That’s the SF way....

Agreed, and taxing the companies who create the jobs.

And I would love to see this €3,000,000,000 (€3 billion) surplus they can deliver every year.

gormdubhgorm

joeguevara wrote: »

Some people voted for change. Majority of people didn’t. The some people who voted for change don’t seem to get that and are calling for mass demonstrations because their party of choice doesn’t look like being in government.

I don't get this voted for change mantra one iota. FF FG and Labour all clearly stated they would not go into government with SF pre election they all have 79 seats!

To get the majority in the dail you need 80 seats who is the closest to a majority in the dail SF's grand collation of the left or those that want SF kept out for a myriad of reasons.

I know people will argue that SF got the majority of first preferences and would have won more seats if they ran more candidates. But do people remember why SF ran so few candidates?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/sinn-fein-ard-chomhairle-meets-for-very-honest-conversation-after-disastrous-election-performance-929538.html

Because those with only a vague interest in politics, did not bother voting for SF in the local and European elections. SF were worried if they ran more candidates they would split thier vote and get even fewer seats.

Mary Lou:
"We are very disappointed with the election results. We know we did not do enough to convince people to vote for Sinn Féin.

"Today's meeting is our first opportunity for the leadership of the party to come together to have a very honest conversation."


This resulted in the SF manifesto idea for the general election.

One academic has said thier is a large overlap in the manifestos of FF FG and SF.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/expert-gives-verdict-on-fine-gael-fianna-fail-and-sinn-fein-health-manifestos-980161.html

He also stated that it was clear SF put a lot of time and effort into theirs.

How many who voted for SF and read thier manifesto is another question though.
Considering many who voted for SF did not vote in the local and European elections.

gormdubhgorm

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

The people voted for change!!!!

Did they though?

I hear a lot of talk of SF winning the popular vote

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Irish_general_election

It is true they won the popular vote as a single party. But when you add up the numbers of the popular vote of those opposed to going to government with SF (FG FF Labour) is nearly double that of SF.

SF won 535,573 of the popular vote

FF won 484,315 of the popular vote.

FG won 455,568 of the popular vote

Labour won 95,582 of the popular vote

So total that is 1,035,465 of the popular vote who voted for parties that said they would not go into government with SF prior to the election. To me that is a much more solid base to work with. Add in the Greens 155,695 (of the popular vote). with FF FG and it is a clear majority coalition.

jimmycrackcorm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

No they are in the building phase, noone has the foggiest of what the final cost will be but so far its projected to be running close to 2 billion. Runaway costs no one accountable as always.

I wonder if it is SF policy to cancel the NCH?

LoughNeagh2017

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MrMusician18

LoughNeagh2017 wrote: »

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There is a would if difference between the old IRA and the diesel laundering provos

olestoepoke

LoughNeagh2017 wrote: »

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Brillant:D

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Can someone tell me what is the difference between FF and FG? Voting for one is voting for the other, considering they will either go into government together or prop the other one up.

gormdubhgorm

LoughNeagh2017 wrote: »

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A bit of an over simplification -

Considering in order to enter the dail both CnaG and FF had to take an oath to the British Crown to get in.

Also this is the same oath SF refused to take both in the early dail until the end of the Saorstait.
They only agreed to enter the dail lots of hand wringing, and soul searching in the 80's.

And they could have taken the oath to the crown to enter WM in the thick of Brexit.

Try explaining that to a foreigner!

gormdubhgorm

Steyr 556 wrote: »

Can someone tell me what is the difference between FF and FG? Voting for one is voting for the other, considering they will either go into government together or prop the other one up.

https://spunout.ie/life/article/fine-gael-vs-fianna-fail-whats-the-difference

Not much difference to be honest. But FF used to consider themselves more left of centre, while FG are right of centre.

MM has recently tried to reclaim some of this left wing vibe.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2020/fianna-fail-is-the-party-of-the-working-classes-micheal-martin-38918150.html

MM born in a council house etc etc

Fine Gael is generally considered to be more of a proponent of market liberalism than its traditional rival, Fianna Fáil. FG is also supposed to be the more liberal of the two in general social issues.

Also as for both parties propping each other up, it is in thier mandate to keep SF out because of moral issues.

joeguevara

LoughNeagh2017 wrote: »

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Better if they could spell Fine Gael correctly. Also, they missed out the part of neither Fianna Fáil or Fine Gael have any association with bombing pubs and killing innocent men, women or children. Just saying.

Professor Moriarty

joeguevara wrote: »

Better if they could spell Fine Gael correctly. Also, they missed out the part of neither Fianna Fáil or Fine Gael have any association with bombing pubs and killing innocent men, women or children. Just saying.

It would appear that fada is gan ghá freisin.

theballz

LoughNeagh2017 wrote: »

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They spelt Fine Gael incorrectly looooool

maccored

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Anyone who went to college, has spent a number of years working themselves up to a decent position in a company and earning a decent living would be f**king nuts to vote SF

All they want is to take money off the people that’s have worked for it and hand to the wasters of Ireland, don’t reward the people who went to college, reward the gobs**t who left school after junior cert and now complains he cant get a good job

That’s the SF way....

Think this shows just how out of touch with reality some of you are

Eric Cartman

LoughNeagh2017 wrote: »

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yeah.... disarming in the 20s and needing international intervention to disarm in 1998 is a bit of a difference.

Feisar

maccored wrote: »

Think this shows just how out of touch with reality some of you are

Explain.

FrancieBrady

A week after the election 'What have we come to'?;

FF/FG with the aid of a whipping boy/girl back in government, looks like where we are at.

maccored

Feisar wrote: »

Explain.

Because theres many people with good education and jobs (people i know) who vote sf. To pretend only poor people (and ‘scumbags’) vote sf is a pretty thick assumption to make. Its an assumptiin quite a few seem to make.

Ever wonder who gave people such a generous social welfare system? Wasnt SF