Never mind Sinn Fein, who are the knuckle-draggers who voted Fianna Fail

v638sg7k1a92bx

At least I can understand why people would vote SF as a change to the status quo etc etc but who are the clowns who voted Fianna Fail???

I mean why would anyone vote FF when they have absolutely nothing different to offer, you may aswell vote FG in that case. At least from an economic perspective FG have done what they set out to achieve (whether you agree with those policies or not) but FF have proven themselves to be the most inept and corrupt political party in the history of the state. Time and again FF are in government, crash the economy, FG is voted in to balance the books and then people circle back to FF. But on this occasion, after such a seismic balls up of the economy last time round, the property developers had them in their back pocket which they didn't even try to hide with the Fianna Fail tent at the Galway races, Bertie Ahern and no bank account, Liam Lawlor, P Flynn, the Mahon Tribunal, Charlie Haughey who somehow managed to buy an Island on a salary equivalent to a mid level bank clerk and yet people will still vote the local FF lad because he fixed the pot holes back in 1973.

Mark my words, watch how FF will slither back in government with absolutely no shame or embarrassment after everything they said about SF.

A brass neck is the new shame.

un5byh7sqpd2x0

Thanks Mary Lou, those are not nice things to say about your future coalition partners

mikeym

Old people voted for Fianna Fail.

Young people went for Greens/Sinn Fein.

hmmm

FF are a more pro-business and jobs SF without the IRA baggage. That's attractive to a lot of people, although a bit of the Black and Tans FF element have migrated to SF for this election.

I'd say they won't be long moving back when they see the reality of SF and their lack of respect for the democratic institutions of the state.

jam_mac_jam

Does nobody remember the IMF being here? Anglo? Bertie? Boom getting boomier?

riffmongous

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Does nobody remember the IMF being here? Anglo? Bertie? Boom getting boomier?

But but.. the ra

v638sg7k1a92bx

hmmm wrote: »

FF are a more pro-business and jobs SF without the IRA baggage. That's attractive to a lot of people, although a bit of the Black and Tans FF element have migrated to SF for this election.

I'd say they won't be long moving back when they see the reality of SF and their lack of respect for the democratic institutions of the state.

FF are the party that stands for everything and stands for nothing. They try and be all things to all people and will do anything and say anything to get into Government. Remember Bertie Ahern described himself as one of the last remaining socialists in the Dail

TallGlass2

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Does nobody remember the IMF being here? Anglo? Bertie? Boom getting boomier?

No need to remember. I am reminded each week three letters USC.

jam_mac_jam

riffmongous wrote: »

But but.. the ra

Didn't vote Ra either

jam_mac_jam

Coraline Flat Pillow wrote: »

FF are the party that stands for everything and stands for nothing. They try and be all things to all people and will do anything and say anything to get into Government. Remember Bertie Ahern described himself as one of the last remaining socialists in the Dail

I also remember Joe Higgins reaction to it. Hilarious. Ah Bertie the absolute brass neck of him.

v638sg7k1a92bx

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I also remember Joe Higgins reaction to it. Hilarious. Ah Bertie the absolute brass neck of him.

It's actually not that long ago and funny thing is that many people who voted SF would have been children during the 2008 financial crisis and have no idea where we came from to where we are now and in such a short space of time but feel they are entitled to a free/cheap house.

KaneToad

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I also remember Joe Higgins reaction to it. Hilarious. Ah Bertie the absolute brass neck of him.

One of the best Joe Higgins moments of all time. I didn't agree with his politics but he was one of the finest representatives to ever sit in the Dáil.

Sleeper12

jam_mac_jam wrote:

Does nobody remember the IMF being here? Anglo? Bertie? Boom getting boomier?

The Greens were part of that government and they have just gotten 12 seats!

endacl

Well, technically I did. Also voted for SF. I always go all the way down. The only thing that kept SF off their customary bottom slot was the fact that we had a National Party candidate this time round.

There still isn’t an alternative. I’ve never given a top 5 vote to FF/G. That doesn’t mean I’d ever vote for SF though.

Trizo

FF always have a core vote , hides for a while but always seems to return

Finty Lemon

Largest party after all

jimgoose

I'd just like to say, I hope McDonald and her tribe of illiterate, jug-eared Hardy Bucks can nail something together with the Greens and the rest of the loo-lah contingent - PBP, SD, etc. - so that FG and FF can spend some quality time in actual opposition, and the whole ridiculous edifice can be pulled down in shreds in 12 to 18 months.

If she was properly clever, she'd keep well the Hell away from actual government and go for a real wipe-out election next time, but there's no way they'll be able to keep their snouts out of the trough. :pac:

jam_mac_jam

Sleeper12 wrote: »

The Greens were part of that government and they have just gotten 12 seats!

And poor labour are gone after they came in after. Blamed for the mess.

I don't know how much the smaller party can be blamed though. I think it's more the fault of the bigger parties. They generally get blamed more than the big party in Ireland. I think most of it lies with FF and their stupid galway tent mentality

Sleeper12

jam_mac_jam wrote:

And poor labour are gone after they came in after. Blamed for the mess.

Labour are gone because they made promises during the election and after the election the labor leader was quoted as saying "ah sure you just say these things during an election" or words close to that. He made the mistake of admitting deliberately lying to his supporters. All he had to say was that they were a small part of the government and they didn't get all of their demands.

jam_mac_jam

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Labour are gone because they made promises during the election and after the election the labor leader was quoted as saying "ah sure you just say these things during an election" or words close to that. He made the mistake of admitting deliberately lying to his supporters. All he had to say was that they were a small part of the government and they didn't get all of their demands.

I think it was a big mistake for Joan to take social welfare as well. Didn't look great in a time of austerity

jimgoose

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Labour are gone because they made promises during the election and after the election the labor leader was quoted as saying "ah sure you just say these things during an election" or words close to that. He made the mistake of admitting deliberately lying to his supporters. All he had to say was that they were a small part of the government and they didn't get all of their demands.

I actually had a bit of time for Pat Rabbitte back in the day, but he'd gotten very arrogant in the later part of his career.

Sleeper12

jam_mac_jam wrote:

I think it was a big mistake for Joan to take social welfare as well. Didn't look great in a time of austerity

I've never liked her BUT she was the first minister to tackle welfare fraud. This didn't go down well with some Labour supporters but it was a great thing to do for the country

jam_mac_jam

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I've never liked her BUT she was the first minister to tackle welfare fraud. This didn't go down well with some Labour supporters but it was a great thing to do for the country

I agree but i think they lost support because of it.

Idbatterim

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I've never liked her BUT she was the first minister to tackle welfare fraud. This didn't go down well with some Labour supporters but it was a great thing to do for the country

labou were delusional in thinking it would be there way or frankfurts way, there supporters were delusional in thinking they could stop austerity, they borrowed tens of billions of taxpayers money to stave off hard decisions. Then joan burton speaks the truth about the claiming they cant afford a few cent for water, but have the latest phones, expensive broadband and tv packages etc, all true! Ironically they also have the worlds busiest dominoes out, there, can afford a twenty euro pizza, cant afford to pay for water. Her biggest crime, was speaking the truth!

pinkyeye

Rural people still believe FF are for the farmer.

BluePlanet

FF are probably the biggest loser of the this election.
How so?
In 2016 they got 44 seats, this time they got less! 38 seats.

That's a terrible result because the ruling party was deeply unpopular.
You'd expect FF to have wiped the floor championing "change" and a new way forward.

Fianna Failures

friendlyfun

BluePlanet wrote: »

FF are probably the biggest loser of the this election.
How so?
In 2016 they got 44 seats, this time they got less! 38 seats.

That's a terrible result because the ruling party was deeply unpopular.
You'd expect FF to have wiped the floor championing "change" and a new way forward.

Fianna Failures

Not even that, they got 37 because Seán Ó Fearghail was already elected in 2016 as Ceann Comhairle and automatically had his seat assured before the election.

suicide_circus

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Does nobody remember the IMF being here? Anglo? Bertie? Boom getting boomier?

can we expect prudent financial management from SF?

jam_mac_jam

suicide_circus wrote: »

can we expect prudent financial management from SF?

Absolutely not

friendlyfun

jimgoose wrote: »

I'd just like to say, I hope McDonald and her tribe of illiterate, jug-eared Hardy Bucks can nail something together with the Greens and the rest of the loo-lah contingent - PBP, SD, etc. - so that FG and FF can spend some quality time in actual opposition, and the whole ridiculous edifice can be pulled down in shreds in 12 to 18 months.

If she was properly clever, she'd keep well the Hell away from actual government and go for a real wipe-out election next time, but there's no way they'll be able to keep their snouts out of the trough. :pac:

I voted SF and I find your comments condescending. Would hardly consider myself illiterate considering I have a first class honours degree. Your comment is somehwhat an ad hominem attack rather than a constructive criticism.

jam_mac_jam

friendlyfun wrote: »

I voted SF and I find your comments condescending. Would hardly consider myself illiterate considering I have a first class honours degree. Your comment is somehwhat an ad hominem attack rather than a constructive criticism.

Not in economics anyway