If you voted Sinn Fein in the GE, why did you do it?

Snickers Man

Or specifically, what policies would you like a Sinn Fein led government to focus on, if you voted for them in this election?

I didn't vote for them at all, and won't. But I fully accept that many people might have voted for a change because they were just brassed off with the complacency of the "FG stepped out, FF stepped in again" Lanigan's Ball like binary choice we have had for 90 years. We're a proper multi choice democracy, not like the Brits and Yanks with their dopey bipolar systems.

Is availability of housing your key concern for a new government? Or is it the environment/climate change? Do you want a more socialist society with high taxes and equitable public services? No private health care? State schools only?

Or is "Making Ireland United Again" your main concern?

Please take the poll and let us know.

jam_mac_jam

I didn't vote for them but i think the housing issue is the big one.

Xterminator

Housing & health, and social inequality.

Plumbthedepths

What poll and who's us?

wfdrun

Dara Murphy

Snickers Man

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

What poll and who's us?

1) it's there now
2) everybody

_Brian

Xterminator wrote: »

Housing & health, and social inequality.

“Social inequality”

That’s some load of shiit there.
It’s been proven over and over that there are educational amd employment opportunities in Ireland, created under right leaning governments.

People who can be bothered to get themselves educated can do so, then there are plenty of opportunities for employment.

By Social inequality people usually mean that the “won’t work” brigade are fed up not having as many nice things as people who’ve made an effort and gone out and work for their stuff.

jimgoose

SF will "fix" precisely fuck-all, and will be run out of Leinster House inside twelve months. :pac:

Jinglejangle69

_Brian wrote: »

“Social inequality”

That’s some load of shiit there.
It’s been proven over and over that there are educational amd employment opportunities in Ireland, created under right leaning governments.

People who can be bothered to get themselves educated can do so, then there are plenty of opportunities for employment.

By Social inequality people usually mean that the “won’t work” brigade are fed up not having as many nice things as people who’ve made an effort and gone out and work for their stuff.

And only a few weeks ago Ireland wa shown to have the most fair society.

That means the people who earn the most pay the most and it gets distributed to the people who don't have a lot.

This is all on record.

One of the most fairest societies in the world.

Plumbthedepths

Snickers Man wrote: »

1) it's there now
2) everybody

So where's the sick of the lanigans ball option?

Plumbthedepths

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

And only a few weeks ago Ireland wa shown to have the most fair society.

That means the people who earn the most pay the most and it gets distributed to the people who don't have a lot.

This is all on record.

One of the most fairest societies in the world.

Actually Collette Brown drilled down into the UN report it's not as Rosey as you wish to protray. I suggest you have a read of it.


https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/colette-browne-the-rich-get-richer-and-the-poor-and-middle-class-stagnate-because-the-system-is-designed-that-way-38773780.html

Mad_maxx

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

And only a few weeks ago Ireland wa shown to have the most fair society.

That means the people who earn the most pay the most and it gets distributed to the people who don't have a lot.

This is all on record.

One of the most fairest societies in the world.

How are people to know this with RTE telling them the opposite?

tabby aspreme

Everyone who voted for SF voted for, Change Change Change Change Change, and all the elected candidates are going Change things

Snickers Man

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So where's the sick of the lanigans ball option?

That's hardly a government policy, is it?

Mad_maxx

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Actually Collette Brown drilled down into the UN report it's not as Rosey as you wish to protray. I suggest you have a read of it.

You mean colette browne the socialist?

Plumbthedepths

Snickers Man wrote: »

That's hardly a government policy, is it?

So what, you asked people to take part in a poll, I'm suggesting another reason why people voted the way they did. I know several who were sick of swapping FF for FG.

Plumbthedepths

Mad_maxx wrote: »

You mean colette browne the socialist?

Did you read the report?

Lonesomerhodes

Simpleton millennial types who actually think Sinn Fein will give free houses and fix the housing crisis.

Doubt one actually read any Sinn Fein material.

Mindless left populism.

I think Sinn Fein are a crap choice.

Shinners have many dud candidates, Dessie Ellis for example. Ould codger codding them all.

Same with a few of the other chancers, never did nothing but line thier own pockets and take brown envelopes from RA drug dealers.

Snickers Man

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So what, you asked people to take part in a poll, I'm suggesting another reason why people voted the way they did. I know several who were sick of swapping FF for FG.

the question on the poll is what would you like them to focus on. I think it's obvious that a large part of the surge was people pissed off with the FF FG ping pong. What matters now is what those who voted for SF would like to see them DO once they get into government.
Assuming they do.

That's all.

If we see what their supporters actually want them to do, then we can gauge how likely they are quickly to piss off those supporters if they actually focus on things people care less about.

I gave them a number 1 preference for the first time ever. I'm not actually expecting them to change things but FF and FG are making the same empty promises and have been in a position to change things for a while now. Give SF a go at it and if they fcuk it up they will be run out of the dáil as another poster noted above.

_Brian

The problem is families who have been intentionally generationally unemployed want the state to provide them with the same standard of living as families who over the generations have worked hard and ensured their children have been educated well and strive to better themselves.

That’s communist thinking where everyone should have the same no matter what they do.

The solution to “Social inequality” is get your of your arse and get doing something. Make sure your kids go to school, make sure they get a trade or a skill or go to college. Make sure they have part time jobs to teach them that workers get paid and getting paid is how you better yourself.
Showing them that a life on SW popping out sprigs to a raft of different fathers is just dooming them to lower standards of living.

Donald Trump

Forgot the "suffering from delusions/mental-retardation" option

Snickers Man

... and at the current level of poll responses, it's clear that this is a very unrepresentative discussion board as the vast majority of people DIDN'T vote for Sinn Fein.

So I guess I'm asking the wrong people.

Plumbthedepths

Snickers Man wrote: »

the question on the poll is what would you like them to focus on. I think it's obvious that a large part of the surge was people pissed off with the FF FG ping pong. What matters now is what those who voted for SF would like to see them DO once they get into government.
Assuming they do.

That's all.

If we see what their supporters actually want them to do, then we can gauge how likely they are quickly to piss off those supporters if they actually focus on things people care less about.

So why go with the thread title that you used and excluded one of the obvious reasons that was actually repeated in the media multiple times?

El_Duderino 09

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I didn't vote for them but i think the housing issue is the big one.

This is why I would have voted for them. The old parties just care a hour the old people. Young people are Completely forgotten so now they work without wage rises and their wages don't always match inflation, they rent houses from old people who often have 2 or more houses.

Stats show young people are 3 times more likely to rent than own a house and old people are more likely to own a house outright than before. The old people hot on the property ladder by buying their council house for cheap, but now vote against spending money on more social housing be as use they don't like socialist policies.

Voting for FF/FG (one party in mind) is a vote for status quo. If you're wealthy and don't want any change for you or anyone else then voting for the old party makes sense. If you think we can do better, voting for someone else makes sense.

Snickers Man

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So why go with the thread title that you used and excluded one of the obvious reasons that was actually repeated in the media multiple times?

What are you, a gold fish?

Read the OP. It's clear what I'm asking.

Plumbthedepths

Snickers Man wrote: »

What are you, a gold fish?

Read the OP. It's clear what I'm asking.

It's clear what you're at, just another thread to carry on the whinging that has been at play since the count started.
You left out one of reasons why people voted the why they did on purpose to suit your own agenda.

Ballso

Xterminator wrote: »

Housing & health, and social inequality.

Whatever about housing and their plans to "tax the rich" even further to pay for social housing, but how do you think SF will solve the issues in health exactly? Throwing money at the issue hasn't worked, the problems are with inefficiency, bloat and wastage and the solutions are reducing headcount and streamlining work practices in the HSE.

You really think SF can take on the unions to sort it out? Big bad FG the neoliberal meanies wouldn't do it, but you think SF will?

godtabh

Snickers Man wrote: »

the question on the poll is what would you like them to focus on. I think it's obvious that a large part of the surge was people pissed off with the FF FG ping pong. What matters now is what those who voted for SF would like to see them DO once they get into government.
Assuming they do.

That's all.

If we see what their supporters actually want them to do, then we can gauge how likely they are quickly to piss off those supporters if they actually focus on things people care less about.

You think SF are in it for the people? We'll have a country run by SF 'special divisors' and will look after their own. Cant wait until the scrap the SCC

jimgoose

Ballso wrote: »

Whatever about housing and their plans to "tax the rich" even further to pay for social housing, but how do you think SF will solve the issues in health exactly? Throwing money at the issue hasn't worked, the problems are with inefficiency, bloat and wastage and the solutions are reducing headcount and streamlining work practices in the HSE.

You really think SF can take on the unions to sort it out? Big bad FG the neoliberal meanies wouldn't do it, but you think SF will?

Kneecap the unions, and chape diesel.

Snickers Man

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It's clear what you're at, just another thread to carry on the whinging that has been at play since the count started.
You left out one of reasons why people voted the why they did on purpose to suit your own agenda.

OK. I'll type slowly.

A lot of people voted Sinn Fein.
Sinn Fein will probably be in government as a or the leading partner.
I would like people to know what they would like that government to focus on.
That way we will get an indication of how likely people are to be vindicated or betrayed by their choice.

Example: if we see that many would like to see a determined house-building program put in place to alleviate accommodation shortages, or more investment in health, then it is clear that that is what a new government should focus on.

If it then chooses to prioritise other things like, say, organising border polls or grandstanding on Language Acts or throwing shapes on international issues of peripheral concern (Palestine, Venezuela, Black Lives Matter in America) then we can infer that people are likely to get pissed off with them sooner rather than later.

It's not whinging. It's holding up to Sinn Fein what those who read this thread want to see them do. Having voted for them.
That's all.