If you voted Sinn Fein in the GE, why did you do it?

joeguevara

limnam wrote: »

Hard to compare a place where the budget is decided by Westminster

Very good point. But please read the section where it states that:

Meanwhile, Sinn Féin’s position in the political establishment has become ever more secure – and for some, more profitable. In recent years, elected representatives of the party have been implicated in political scandals in everything from housing and “bad banks” to failed renewable energy schemes, with charges of diversion of funds and silencing of whistle-blowers at the same time as public services have been starved of resources.

Since the introduction of austerity policies in 2010 by Britain’s government, Sinn Féin has had numerous opportunities to use official “motions of concern” to block, delay, or mitigate the impact of these policies in the North of Ireland — but time and again, they have chosen not to.

So cant blame Westminster for corruption scandals and again can't blame it for SF not doing anything, when they could to impact austerity policies. Using Westminster as an excuse is just following a Mary Lou answer. SF voted to increase the pension age in NI but lambast it down here.

Budgets are only set by Westminster due to Assembly not sitting in NI. This has only been since 2017 (not that thats right) what about all of the other time?

zoobizoo

Are any SF TDs taking home the average industrial wage?

joeguevara

zoobizoo wrote: »

Are any SF TDs taking home the average industrial wage?

Policy of average industrial wage has now ended. Even though it is usually stated as why people vote for them:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/exclusive-sinn-fein-to-end-policy-of-tds-taking-average-industrial-wage-from-87k-salary-34652894.html

limnam

zoobizoo wrote: »

Are any SF TDs taking home the average industrial wage?

A number of them handed back their increases.


Anyone from FG do the same?

joeguevara

limnam wrote: »

A number of them handed back their increases.


Anyone from FG do the same?

They sent a letter saying they didn't want their increases. They didn't hand them back. Who is to say that they didn't get their increases as a photo of a letter means nothing.

BarryD2

limnam wrote: »

Hard to compare a place where the budget is decided by Westminster

A pretty decent budget over recent decades, the Brits in their own way helped the peace process by pumping money into the six counties. Enjoy far better public facilities than most of us in rural areas down south. Little prospect of us keeping the 'middle classes' up there in the style they are accustomed to.

Anyway, the one take away from this thread is that 65% of respondents didn't vote SF.

SusieBlue

joeguevara wrote: »

They sent a letter saying they didn't want their increases. They didn't hand them back. Who is to say that they didn't get their increases as a photo of a letter means nothing.

Do you really think FF/FG wouldn't have been singing it from the rooftops if SF took the increase after saying they wouldn't?

Fann Linn

BarryD2 wrote: »

A pretty decent budget over recent decades, the Brits in their own way helped the peace process by pumping money into the six counties. Enjoy far better public facilities than most of us in rural areas down south. Little prospect of us keeping the 'middle classes' up there in the style they are accustomed to.

Anyway, the one take away from this thread is that 65% of respondents didn't vote SF.

Nor Fg or FF for that matter.

Geuze

limnam wrote: »

This is from the FG site


"So between now and 2027, more than 112,000 new social homes will be added to the public housing stock."


FG trying to plunge the country into NE.

Note that negative equity is not the same as falls in house prices.

A house price can fall 30%, but if it stays above the mortgage value, then there is still positive equity.

As the max you can borrow is 90%, then house prices can fall 10%, and by definition, nobody will be in negative equity.

zoobizoo

limnam wrote: »

A number of them handed back their increases.


Anyone from FG do the same?

I asked a question about the Average Industrial Wage.

I didn't ask anything about increases or FG - not sure why you mention either.



Do any sitting SF TDs still claim that they only take home the average industrial wage?

rob316

Don't build housing quickly as it will effect current property value is the stupidest thing I've heard.

You buy a home in any market you are taking a gamble.

Phoebas

limnam wrote: »

Hard to compare a place where the budget is decided by Westminster

We don't decide our own budget here either.
It is decided by the amount of money that the economy generates for the exchequer.

limnam

joeguevara wrote: »

They sent a letter saying they didn't want their increases. They didn't hand them back. Who is to say that they didn't get their increases as a photo of a letter means nothing.

SF in faking return of increase shocker


Next up at 1pm man shouts up the ra in pub...

limnam

Phoebas wrote: »

We don't decide our own budget here either.
It is decided by the amount of money that the economy generates for the exchequer.

But we manage that


We don't manage an aspect of it that someone else decides.


Don't even try to attempt to think it's the same thing.


Christ.

limnam

Geuze wrote: »

Note that negative equity is not the same as falls in house prices.

A house price can fall 30%, but if it stays above the mortgage value, then there is still positive equity.

As the max you can borrow is 90%, then house prices can fall 10%, and by definition, nobody will be in negative equity.

It was more of a tongue and cheek comment based on previous posts.

joeguevara

limnam wrote: »

But we manage that


We don't manage an aspect of it that someone else decides.


Don't even try to attempt to think it's the same thing.


Christ.

What about all budgets prior to 2017?

Also as previously stated in post #452 SF did not block when they could have austerity policies.

Perhaps read the article again: https://inequality.org/research/sinn-fein-austerity-record/

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Looking at this thread, the poll results and the thanks....who did vote SF, obviously those in rural Ireland without access to broadband????

I see sheep

Clay Shrilling Thesis wrote: »

Looking at this thread, the poll results and the thanks....who did vote SF, obviously those in rural Ireland without access to broadband????

AH is full of extreme right wingers, hence all the brilliant melt downs since SF won the election.

Diceicle

Skylinehead wrote: »

The "don't build houses, it might affect house values" argument is both singularly ridiculous and a good insight into why SF did so well. I didn't give them a 1 myself but with attitudes like that, who can be surprised?

Objectively, I have sympathy for that argument (from a home-owner and politcal perspective) - if politicians go ahead and build x thousand homes, it stands to reason that it could negatively affect house prices in certain areas. They won't be thanked for that come next election.

Ush1

limnam wrote: »

But we manage that


We don't manage an aspect of it that someone else decides.


Don't even try to attempt to think it's the same thing.


Christ.

The IMF and the Troika will be back in town fairly fast.

https://ec.europa.eu/info/business-economy-euro/economic-and-fiscal-policy-coordination/eu-economic-governance-monitoring-prevention-correction/stability-and-growth-pact/preventive-arm/expenditure-benchmark_en

We answer to them.

Strumms

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

And only a few weeks ago Ireland wa shown to have the most fair society.

That means the people who earn the most pay the most and it gets distributed to the people who don't have a lot.

This is all on record.

One of the most fairest societies in the world.

I wouldn't say fairest anymore.......those who work and make a contribution via their efforts and taxes are constantly being put upon to do more, give more etc... those who DONT and dont WANT to work.... able bodied healthy career social RECEIVERS give back practically zilch to society... that's seen as a right, that's seen as a career, a lifestyle for life whilst people with aspirations for both their family and professionally are penalised... at each and every turn...

A fair society is everyone contributing no matter how small or how much... you hear a lot of "my country" and "our country" from these sorts... if it's yours...

a house...

A car..

A child..

You have to look after it, its wellbeing etc... your country is the same... fùcking enable yourself to participate instead of being facilitated... non stop..

zoobizoo

I see sheep wrote: »

AH is full of extreme right wingers, hence all the brilliant melt downs since SF won the election.

I'm a socialist. Non-home owner.

I don't like SF having had my businesses threatened by a now sitting SF TD (then a SF councillor) and his director of elections calling to my parent's house where my vote is still registered, handed my elderly mother a SF leaflet and told her "make sure X gets that".

IE, we know where you live.

Following yesterday's reason why I did not vote FF, here are the main reasons I did not vote for FG:

Joan Burton has a degree in commerce. She is also a fellow of the Institute of Chartered Accountants. She has worked as a lecturer in Accountancy in the DIT.
When FG and Labour formed the coalition government I would have expected that the position of Minister for Finance be given to someone with experience in commerce.
Instead the position of M for F was given to Michael Noonan, a former school teacher.

I really disliked the way that FG treated Peter Mathews (rip). He was a qualified Chartered Accountant, who worked for ICC Bank. Before entering politics, he was a consultant on banking and finance.
I first saw Peter Mathews when he appeared before the finance committee in front of FF politician Mr. Fahy.

He appeared very knowledgable and was highly critical of NAMA. Link: https://youtu.be/wNFbl525fkM

When he decided to run as a candidate for FG, I was hopeful that he would be elected and make a positive addition to the Dail given his intelligence, experience and knowledge.

I thought he would be an obvious candidate for promotion to the cabinet, particularly with regard to the handling of the bank debt which had been forced on the Irish people.
After all, FG had run for election on a promise that they would tackle the bank debt and come down hard on the bondholders.

Sadly Peter Mathews was ignored, and shifted to the back benches and muzzled. I thought FG would have been delighted to have a man of such integrity and knowledge in their ranks, obviously they were too stupid to realise this.
(or maybe they were instructed to keep him quiet, who knows?)


In 2012, FG announced that they were not paying the infamous promissory note debt. After their negotiations with the ECB and Mario Draghi, it transpired that instead of asking for a write-down on this debt, it was turned into a sovereign bond which would be paid back by the Irish state over 40 years. Not alone would we be burdened with the €28 billion Anglo Irish debt, but we would be paying €1 billion interest every year on-top of the €28 billion,
meaning that what was a €28 billion debt was now more than doubled.

For me this was the biggest scandal which has been long since been overshadowed by other unsavory episodes during FG's reign such as:--

the establishment of Irish water, the IRBC Siteserv / GMC/Sierra saga and more lately, the handling of the tender for the construction of the proposed Children's Hospital.

More lately again, the proposed commemoration for the the RIC and Black and Tans.

Lastly, the failure to solve the housing crisis. (there is probably a lot more reasons I have forgotten about)

gibgodsman

Where is the option "Because they are not FF/FG and so might as well give someone else 4 years to see how more messed up Ireland can get"

Wibbs

Clay Shrilling Thesis wrote: »

Looking at this thread, the poll results and the thanks....who did vote SF, obviously those in rural Ireland without access to broadband????

Outside of the old guard Chuckies and right on Lefties it seems to have been largely the younger demographic, who are irritated, even angry with the same old same old "choices" in Irish politics between two cheeks of the same arse, so went to the alternative*. And I can certainly understand that anger.

The average 20 - 30 year old today is in a worse situation than most times in Irish history and under quite the bit of pressure. And yeah I lived through the "dark days" of the 1980's where young people were leaving in droves, but while it was difficult, IMHO it wasn't nearly so pressured and there was certainly not such a big difference between the lot of different generations. That's the diff as I see it this time. In the 1980's everybody was mostly fooked, today younger people are struggling, but their parents and grandparents generation aren't to nearly the same degree(unless they went nuts during the "boom" as many did).



*there are other alternatives, but let's face it the Greens at best are a bunch of well meaning if usually naive bordering on stupid old hippies living in leafy suburbia and yahoos like PbP are.. well... Morons with a tiny support base.

zoobizoo

Wibbs wrote: »

*there are other alternatives, but let's face it the Greens at best are a bunch of well meaning if usually naive bordering on stupid old hippies living in leafy suburbia and yahoos like PbP are.. well... Morons with a tiny support base.

I think that we could see the rise of the Social Democrats now, which wouldn't be a bad thing.

I see sheep

zoobizoo wrote: »

I'm a socialist. Non-home owner.

I don't like SF having had my businesses threatened by a now sitting SF TD (then a SF councillor) and his director of elections calling to my parent's house where my vote is still registered, handed my elderly mother a SF leaflet and told her "make sure X gets that".

IE, we know where you live.

Cool 'story' man.

Idbatterim

limnam wrote: »

A number of them handed back their increases.


Anyone from FG do the same?

no, the FG dell boys will be putting it into property, that they can rent out to vulenerable people and fleece them for all they can! MMMMMMM returns!

zoobizoo

I see sheep wrote: »

Cool 'story' man.

Why do you assume that it is not true?

maccored

zoobizoo wrote: »

I'm a socialist. Non-home owner.

I don't like SF having had my businesses threatened by a now sitting SF TD (then a SF councillor) and his director of elections calling to my parent's house where my vote is still registered, handed my elderly mother a SF leaflet and told her "make sure X gets that".

IE, we know where you live.

he obviously didnt 'know where you live' otherwise he would have went to your house surely?