If you voted Sinn Fein in the GE, why did you do it?

maccored

Snickers Man wrote: »

It's in the Topics tab on the site's menu bar.
Click. Select the forum/thread you want.
Then **** off and mind your own business.

Simples

Ever try making sense? You should give it a go. You could start by reading that car crash of a reply you made and translate it into something intelligible. "simples"

Jizique

Xterminator wrote: »

Housing & health, and social inequality.

What exactly is the housing issue in Donegal, Roscommon or Cavan, where they got up to and over40% of the vote?

Snickers Man

Billcarson wrote: »

I voted for sinn fein ,for a better and fairer society.

Respect that.

Billcarson wrote: »

Am I into flag waving Republican " up the ra "stuff? No

Actually, I can't see any contributors here who are.

And I was listening to Joe Duffy for a bit a while back and his callers were all on about housing, pissed off with FF/FG, health etc

None of which has anything to do with border polls or rebel songs.
Respect your mandate, Shinners. It's not for what some of you think it is.

riffmongous

rockatansky wrote: »

So the point of this thread is, you post why you voted Sinn Fein and let other posters attack you?

It's pretty funny to see the sad b**tards still not getting why they lost though

Eric Cartman

I see sheep wrote: »

50k household is poor?

In todays terms, relitively yes. Even a 100k a year household isnt doing amazing, youd need 150k a year just to live in a non crap part of dublin

quokula

limnam wrote: »

You can take average wage


You're still left unable to afford it

Not only did you choose to take median rather than average wage and average rather than median house price. You took national wage and compared to Dublin house prices. National house prices are significantly lower and Dublin wages are significantly higher. Seems like you've been to the SF school of data misrepresentation.

When you take the genuine real numbers, Ireland actually comes off pretty well in the ratio between average salaries and average house prices by international standards, better than most of Europe.

https://www.numbeo.com/property-investment/rankings_by_country.jsp

Not that there aren't problems. The conditions for getting a mortgage are tougher here than elsewhere. Public transport is nowhere near as good as it should be which makes people less willing to move to more affordable areas. Housing is too spread out and too low density. Renting is far too expensive comparative to what a mortgage costs. There also needs to be an acceptance that long term renting is ok, as is the case in many European countries. This needs culture change in addition to legislation to make renting more secure.


All the parties have different policies to address the above issues in different ways, and they need to be addressed. But we're not in some crisis that's unique to Ireland and that could be solved easily if only we had different politicians to magic all the problems away and give free houses to everyone.

SusieBlue

Ballso wrote: »

Telling lies to the gullible is what won SF the election.

Sure you're right and I'm wrong, waitresses will be up to their eyes in mortgage applications by this day fortnight in the new Ireland

Well then you are fighting a point that I never made, because I never mentioned SF in ANY of my posts.
My posts were disagreeing with the notion that if you are educated and work hard, you won't have issues affording to buy or rent.
Reality shows me this isn't true.

But please, continue scoffing at the idea of the waitress up to her eyes in mortgage applications.
It shows us all what kind of person you are, that you find the idea of a low paid worker wanting either a secure tenency or job opportunities near affordable housing so totally hilarious and undeserving of consideration.

jmayo

Emme wrote: »

It's difficult to break out of a cycle of disadvantage if you grew up in an area where nobody worked, your parents never worked and your grandparents never worked.
...
It's wrong that smart working class girls like that felt the best choice they could make in life was to have children early. ...

Why do people persist in calling people that never worked a day in their lives, nor have had ancestors that ever worked, the working class.

It is a fooking insult to real workers.

stryker mcqueen wrote: »

I voted for change , time will tell if it happens but but IMO we needed an alternative to FF & FG.

Do you mind if that change isn't positive ?

I see sheep wrote: »

I'll raise you:

Simpleton right wing types types who actually don't think there's a housing crisis.

Doubt one actually read any FFG material.

Mindless right wing populism...

This is from the poster that thought this was life for us all in the 80s.

Originally Posted by I see sheep ...
I was born in the 80s and both my parents had solid public service jobs straight out of Uni/College and owned a house in south Dublin at age 24.

...

BTW what parties were in charge in the 80s when your parents were able to afford the house in South County Dublin ?
What parties were in charge that helped get kids into college ?
And what was sinn fein doing in the 80s ?
Hint for you since you are so poor at history: they were making excuses for slaughters carried out like Enniskillen.


BTW you sound like someone born in reasonably well off background who now lectures others about the struggle of the lowly worker.
I think the term is champagne socialist.

A bit like that numpty Boyd Barrett.

Damien360

Ballso wrote: »

Telling lies to the gullible is what won SF the election.

FF/FG have told umpteen lies over the years. That’s the nature of politics in opposition. SF might be exactly the same, we don’t know yet. My protest vote went to independent candidates.

I just read SF’s entire 84 page health manifesto on their website. Some good things in there but it appears to have all the same promises that FG put in there before the last election. It will be hard to see that put into practice and some of it is already started. So they are repeating the current plan. Be good if it did work as I agree with a lot of it. Cost will be the thorn in this.

satguy

I still remember when Dinny sold esat digifone for nearly €400 million, and disappeared overseas without paying a penny in tax. Would he have gotten away with that if SF had been in power.

BTW it was FG that gave their best buddy that phone licence in the first place,, we all know how that happened.

So, yes I did vote SF, and would like to see change, real change.

Ulysses Gaze

Ballso wrote: »

Telling lies to the gullible is what won SF the election.

Sure you're right and I'm wrong, waitresses will be up to their eyes in mortgage applications by this day fortnight in the new Ireland

So no different than any other political party then.

limnam

SusieBlue wrote: »

Well then you are fighting a point that I never made, because I never mentioned SF in ANY of my posts.
My posts were disagreeing with the notion that if you are educated and you work hard you won't have issues affording to buy or rent.
Reality shows me this isn't true.

Excellent point and similar was brought up last night.


Get educated.
Work hard pay your taxes and you'll get your rewards.


A large part of Irish society is starting to realise under FG this was not holding true.

Ballso

SusieBlue wrote: »

Well then you are fighting a point that I never made, because I never mentioned SF in ANY of my posts.
My posts were disagreeing with the notion that if you are educated and work hard, you won't have issues affording to buy or rent.
Reality shows me this isn't true.

But please, continue scoffing at the idea of the waitress up to her eyes in mortgage applications.
It shows us all what kind of person you are, that you find the idea of a low paid worker wanting either a secure tenency or job opportunities near affordable housing so totally hilarious and undeserving of consideration.

We all know there's a housing crisis Susie, thanks.

Unfortunately it's a complex issue with no easy solution, if it were easy, it would have been resolved already. You can row back on your earlier assertion that people on 25k should be able to own property near where they work but unfortunately that is not grounded in reality. Not here or anywhere.

Ush1

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

So no different than any other political party then.

If that's the "change" that is wanted...

limnam

Ballso wrote: »

We all know there's a housing crisis Susie, thanks.

Unfortunately it's a complex issue with no easy solution, if it were easy, it would have been resolved already. You can row back on your earlier assertion that people on 25k should be able to own property near where they work but unfortunately that is not grounded in reality. Not here or anywhere.

Because something is hard or not easy, doesn't mean you sit and your hands and do fck all.


The banking crsis wasn't easy but we moved heaven and earth over 72 hours to fix it.


people sleeping in a ditch been paralyzed by a road sweeper.


He can wait. Right?

Ballso

satguy wrote: »

So, yes I did vote SF, and would like to see change, real change.

What do we want? Change!

How will we do it? Eh, by rehashing populist FF policy and pretending it's socialism?

I see sheep

jmayo wrote: »

BTW you sound like someone born in reasonably well off background who now lectures others about the struggle of the lowly worker.
I think the term is champagne socialist.

A bit like that numpty Boyd Barrett.

Being compared to RBB

You're too kind mate, nicest thing someone has said to me all week

I'd say my upbringing was 'lower middle class'.

By your logic I shouldn't argue against all the hate against social welfare recipients that AH is full of because I'm not on the dole?

Do you think only black people can be offended by racism?

Ballso

limnam wrote: »

Because something is hard or not easy, doesn't mean you sit and your hands and do fck all.


The banking crsis wasn't easy but we moved heaven and earth over 72 hours to fix it

We didn't "fix" anything, we are all still living with the consequences of it every day. The incoming government will still have to deal with it. Instituting the same policies which led to the crash to "fix" it's consequences is insane.

Mr Tickle

johnmcdnl wrote: »

Consider living in the commuter belt for some time because yes it is cheaper just to help save up. yes longer commutes but again it's s trade off that I'd rather make in my 20s than enter my 30s with no savings because I wanted to live in the city centre.



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Just on this, I think there's a tangible cost associated with having to move away from the population centre.
Having a social life is important on a number of fronts. On the most obvious human level, people are (mostly) social animals. We all want a relationship and/or a family of some variety.
On a personal financial level, it makes financial sense to couple up.Two wages just improves your chances of saving a deposit. More efficient rent/cooking etc. Dating is expensive, a nice long term relationship that's lost its spark is fiscally astute :pac:
From a societal/political view it makes sense too. If people are happy in their personal lives it raises the threshold of what they'll put up with in the wider society.

This isn't all relevant to your quote but it explains why someone might choose to stay closer to a city centre rather than move to the commuter belt. If you've met "the one" nice and early, happy days, if not then there is a definite draw to staying in town.

SusieBlue

Ballso wrote: »

We all know there's a housing crisis Susie, thanks.

Unfortunately it's a complex issue with no easy solution, if it were easy, it would have been resolved already. You can row back on your earlier assertion that people on 25k should be able to own property near where they work but unfortunately that is not grounded in reality. Not here or anywhere.

That's gas coming from you, when your attitude seems to be "tough sh*t" and leave them to it.
How are the ever going to progress from living pay check to pay check if they aren't helped?
If they always struggle they will be in no position to help their children when they grow up.

Wasn't it Leo's idea for 20 something year olds to get a "small" loan of 30k from their parents for a mortgage deposit? How are these parents supposed to do that?
And so the cycle continues and hardworking people grow angrier and more frustrated than ever.

You can row back on putting words in my mouth, I said they should be able to buy or rent securely a reasonable distance to decent job opportunities.
The solution?
Investment in rurual locations to attract multi-nationals and more employers, so workers can live and work away from big cities.
And also encouraging employers to allow their staff to work remotely from where possible.

Again none of those are quick fixes or miracles, but at least its something.
What's your solution, besides leaving them to it?

Ush1

limnam wrote: »

Because something is hard or not easy, doesn't mean you sit and your hands and do fck all.


The banking crsis wasn't easy but we moved heaven and earth over 72 hours to fix it.


people sleeping in a ditch been paralyzed by a road sweeper.


He can wait. Right?

lol wut?

blanch152

SusieBlue wrote: »

I can only assume you are deliberately missing the point because in no part of my post did I suggest anyone on 25k be entitled to buy a house in Dublin City center.

I said they should be able to buy or rent a home in a reasonable, commutable, distance from decent employment opportunities, or if renting, have it at a fair price with secure tenancy.

Again, I don't think these expectations are particularly high.

Then the issue is better public transport so vote Green.

Nollog

Jizique wrote: »

What exactly is the housing issue in Donegal, Roscommon or Cavan, where they got up to and over40% of the vote?

Mica

limnam

Ballso wrote: »

We didn't "fix" anything, we are all still living with the consequences of it every day. The incoming government will still have to deal with it. Instituting the same policies which led to the crash to "fix" it's consequences is insane.

We moved heaven and earth over a very short period of time to do what was needed to be done.



FG have sat on thier hands for 10 years on housing and done sweet fck all


the guy parlised by a swepper. He can wait right?

Tacitus Kilgore

limnam wrote: »

Because something is hard or not easy, doesn't mean you sit and your hands and do fck all.


The banking crsis wasn't easy but we moved heaven and earth over 72 hours to fix it.


people sleeping in a ditch been paralyzed by a road sweeper.


He can wait. Right?

Saw Eoin talking on Claire Byrne last night too - about how FF sorted the banks in a 72 hour marathon session, then he launched into them for not doing the same with the health & housing crisies -

Well, let's see how many hours it takes Eoin to 'sort out' the multifaceted multidimensional problems of housing and health.

I genuinely hope he can.



Also, it was a grab lorry - much worse than a road sweeper.

Ush1

SusieBlue wrote: »

The solution?
Investment in rurual locations to attract multi-nationals and more employers, so workers can live and work away from big cities.
And also encouraging employers to allow their staff to work remotely from where possible.

Again none of those are quick fixes or miracles, but at least its something.
What's your solution, besides leaving them to it?

Fine Gael among others have tried this already with extremely limited success. Urbanisation and housing issues go hand in hand and are global problems.

satguy

Ush1 wrote: »

lol wut?

Nearly 10K posts,, you can do better than that..

limnam

Ush1 wrote: »

lol wut?

You know.


When we handed out 41bn to bankers.

SusieBlue

blanch152 wrote: »

Then the issue is better public transport so vote Green.

The piss poor quality of our public transport is a whole other topic entirely.

Ush1

limnam wrote: »

You know.


When we handed out 41bn to bankers.

So if it's solved, why am I still paying USC?