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FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.
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Once again blanch you must default to the standard tactic of reverting to an argument no one is presenting, people have been urged to get themselves tested if they are displaying symptoms of covid 19, I covered this yesterday.
My neighbour was displaying 3/3 symptoms. You were told this on no less than 3 occasions yesterday,he's now apparently an idiot for doing what the govt under advice from health experts have advised him to do.
It's quite evident now that your debating standards are laid bare as a barrelscraper, one of, if not the most disingenuous posters on this site.
Your neighbour came back from Scandanavia on 13 March.
Advice at the time was only to self-isolate if you returned from Spain or Italy and were displaying symptoms.
He was outside the criteria.0 -
It seems FG will be very happy to just sit on their hands for 5 years. Would FG voters be happy with this, as it means all those FG votes mean nothing, and do nothing.
Having been in power for 9 years, they did nothing, people have no homes, people still on trollies.
FG may have given some of their rich buddies some tax breaks.
But other than that, they did what FG do best, are their poor hands not numb by now.
A West-Brit-Blueshirt's perspective.
I'm an FG voter and as I see it, FG have two options: They can do what's good for FG or they can do what's good for the country.
If they want to do what's good for FG and by which I mean FG's long term political interests they should refuse to go into government with anybody. This puts FF in the position of having to either compromise and go into govt with SF or chancing their arm in a new election in which Sinn Fein is almost sure to ride the wave they're on right now and increase it's seats. The result either way is an FF/SF govt or an SF govt, both of which will eventually fail through the flawed policies of both parties. When that happens FG can come back and campaign as they always have "the boring, old fiscally responsible party of not screwing things up."
If they want to do what's good for the country, they compromise and go into govt with FF in order to keep out the Sinner. FF are aren't great but a SF government would be a terrible thing for the country even if it benefits FG in the long run. People will hate FG and FF for going in together but so be it. I was originally in favour of FG going into opposition but I eventually changed my mind because I remembered that after Trump got elected, American commentator Bill Maher said he was hoping for a recession if it meant getting the orange man out of the White House. I thought to myself "if you want the country to suffer so that your party can win then you're doing "being a human" wrong.
None of this takes the current COVID-19 into account. To be honest I don't think it'll have much political impact beyond simply delaying govt formation. FF/FG will see a slight bump due to the establishment's decent handling of things but SF will be the most popular party for the foreseeable future.0 -
Your neighbour came back from Scandanavia on 13 March.
Advice at the time was only to self-isolate if you returned from Spain or Italy and were displaying symptoms.
He was outside the criteria.
Can you please show me anything regarding testing only being advised to those people displaying symptoms if they were returning from any named areas - or are you yet again trying to go with an argument no one was presenting?
I had a look at the guidelines for testing criteria, and nowhere could I find that only people displaying symptoms and recently returned from Spain and Italy would be tested.
Disingenuous to the last.0 -
You don't believe it? Look at the comments on Pease Doherty's post pointing out the AIB fees charges today and look at the FG lackey "economist" David Higgins having a go and messing it up. Fair few new Twitter accounts and lots with multiple number digits in the names
I don't believe what? I'm not going looking through responses to popular Irish Twitter posts, I've just told you it's full of headcases and bots.
In fact is there a Twitter client that shows no responses and only posts directly from those you follow anyone know?0 -
Lenghty report just finished on RTE there on the testing issues.
It's no myth...existing issues and as the reporter said, no answers forthcoming from the HSE. Evasion and excuse making and the prospect that there will be further issues.0 -
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A West-Brit-Blueshirt's perspective.
I'm an FG voter and as I see it, FG have two options: They can do what's good for FG or they can do what's good for the country.
If they want to do what's good for FG and by which I mean FG's long term political interests they should refuse to go into government with anybody. This puts FF in the position of having to either compromise and go into govt with SF or chancing their arm in a new election in which Sinn Fein is almost sure to ride the wave they're on right now and increase it's seats. The result either way is an FF/SF govt or an SF govt, both of which will eventually fail through the flawed policies of both parties. When that happens FG can come back and campaign as they always have "the boring, old fiscally responsible party of not screwing things up."
If they want to do what's good for the country, they compromise and go into govt with FF in order to keep out the Sinner. FF are aren't great but a SF government would be a terrible thing for the country even if it benefits FG in the long run. People will hate FG and FF for going in together but so be it. I was originally in favour of FG going into opposition but I eventually changed my mind because I remembered that after Trump got elected, American commentator Bill Maher said he was hoping for a recession if it meant getting the orange man out of the White House. I thought to myself "if you want the country to suffer so that your party can win then you're doing "being a human" wrong.
None of this takes the current COVID-19 into account. To be honest I don't think it'll have much political impact beyond simply delaying govt formation. FF/FG will see a slight bump due to the establishment's decent handling of things but SF will be the most popular party for the foreseeable future.
I agree that FG should step back, not because of whether I support them or not, but because its obvious the country has voted for a change in government.
As for the rest, I do not follow you at all.
If the country voted FF and SF as the two biggest parties then is it not reasonable to expect that the onus is on BOTH of those two parties to find a way to forming a government. If FF flatly refuse then its obvious that a new election should be called.
At that election people can then decide no we dont want SF in government after all and split the vast majority of the vote between FG and FF. Depending on that split that would determine whether it was a FF government, a FG government or a FF/FG coalition.
If on a subsequent vote SF were still to be the biggest party then the people have obviously clearly decided that SF should be in government despite what some people might claim to be the result of such a government.
We do live in a democracy after all, don't we?0 -
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I disagree that it's the job of TDs to discern what the people really wanted from an election that was by any measure inconclusive and form a government accordingly.I agree that FG should step back, not because of whether I support them or not, but because its obvious the country has voted for a change in government.
You might well say that the people voted for change, but its obvious the people were not in agreement as to the form that change would take. We had our two main centre right parties on 40% and 72 seats between and then on the left you had absolute party salad. These parties have wildly different views on what "change" means. Even if there were enough seats for a "Grand Coalition of the Left", I seriously doubt all these parties could form a coalition. No party is under an obligation to form a govt with a party they have fundamental disagreements with.
As the two biggest parties, it's certainly clear that any potential govt must involve at least one of them. Simple maths will tell you that. But I don't think a party should compromise just for the sake of forming a government. Many people voted FF specifically because they said they would not work with Sinn Fein. FF has an incentive not just to get into govt, but to do so without compromising their own political interests or screwing over their party members. This is why they'd prefer to go into govt with FG rather than have another election as they have more common ground with them.As for the rest, I do not follow you at all.
If the country voted FF and SF as the two biggest parties then is it not reasonable to expect that the onus is on BOTH of those two parties to find a way to forming a government. If FF flatly refuse then its obvious that a new election should be called.
If Sinn Fein have a majority, then they can form a government. Or if they people also elect a party/parties who will work with them then the can form a government.If on a subsequent vote SF were still to be the biggest party then the people have obviously clearly decided that SF should be in government despite what some people might claim to be the result of such a government.
Sinn Fein is not entitled to go into government simply because they are the biggest party and no other party is obliged to facilitate them going into government.
Well we live in a republic which is not quite the same thing.We do live in a democracy after all, don't we?0 -
I agree that FG should step back, not because of whether I support them or not, but because its obvious the country has voted for a change in government.
As for the rest, I do not follow you at all.
If the country voted FF and SF as the two biggest parties then is it not reasonable to expect that the onus is on BOTH of those two parties to find a way to forming a government. If FF flatly refuse then its obvious that a new election should be called.
At that election people can then decide no we dont want SF in government after all and split the vast majority of the vote between FG and FF. Depending on that split that would determine whether it was a FF government, a FG government or a FF/FG coalition.
If on a subsequent vote SF were still to be the biggest party then the people have obviously clearly decided that SF should be in government despite what some people might claim to be the result of such a government.
We do live in a democracy after all, don't we?
Every party wants to be in some form of power position.
Most wanted FG out, that's pretty clear. Neither FF or SF got a clear enough majority. I agree all parties should respect the votes cast but regardless of how farcical the faux moralism may be FF, FG and SF don't have to go in with anyone. TBF any government including FF/FG is more cronyism and party and pals above the country.
A few months back Nurses were over paid and got too many holidays. Now 'we're all in it together' seemingly. Won't be long before those availing of state aid due to Covid19 are back to being spongers, (unless large businesses) and the working tax payer bears the bill long after FG pals are back making millions. They need to go and take FF with them.0 -
I agree that FG should step back, not because of whether I support them or not, but because its obvious the country has voted for a change in government.
As for the rest, I do not follow you at all.
If the country voted FF and SF as the two biggest parties then is it not reasonable to expect that the onus is on BOTH of those two parties to find a way to forming a government. If FF flatly refuse then its obvious that a new election should be called.
At that election people can then decide no we dont want SF in government after all and split the vast majority of the vote between FG and FF. Depending on that split that would determine whether it was a FF government, a FG government or a FF/FG coalition.
If on a subsequent vote SF were still to be the biggest party then the people have obviously clearly decided that SF should be in government despite what some people might claim to be the result of such a government.
We do live in a democracy after all, don't we?
There is a precedent for this, I think. If I recally correctly, the National Socialist Party in Germany came to power in the same way following a succession of elections in the 1930s.0 -
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Can you please show me anything regarding testing only being advised to those people displaying symptoms if they were returning from any named areas - or are you yet again trying to go with an argument no one was presenting?
I had a look at the guidelines for testing criteria, and nowhere could I find that only people displaying symptoms and recently returned from Spain and Italy would be tested.
Disingenuous to the last.
You are the one making the positive statement that he should have been tested. Prove that positive statement, rather than asking me to prove a negative.
What you have told us is that he returned from Scandanavia on 13th March, felt ill and hasn't been given a test. There was nothing and is nothing in any of the medical criteria I have seen that deem him on the list for a test.
There are quite a number of people who believe that they should have a test but don't meet the criteria.0 -
FrancieBrady wrote: »Lenghty report just finished on RTE there on the testing issues.
It's no myth...existing issues and as the reporter said, no answers forthcoming from the HSE. Evasion and excuse making and the prospect that there will be further issues.
Issues? No way, I thought this global pandemic which is unprecedented in modern times would come off without a hitch.
You better keep posting anecdotes about your cousin, that will sort it all out.0 -
Every party wants to be in some form of power position.
Most wanted FG out, that's pretty clear. Neither FF or SF got a clear enough majority. I agree all parties should respect the votes cast but regardless of how farcical the faux moralism may be FF, FG and SF don't have to go in with anyone. TBF any government including FF/FG is more cronyism and party and pals above the country.
A few months back Nurses were over paid and got too many holidays. Now 'we're all in it together' seemingly. Won't be long before those availing of state aid due to Covid19 are back to being spongers, (unless large businesses) and the working tax payer bears the bill long after FG pals are back making millions. They need to go and take FF with them.
I've heard it said many times that "most wanted FG out". And that is an argument as 125 TDs were elected that are not from FG, well over the 80 needed.
It is some indictment of Micheal Martin and Mary-Lou McDonald as the leaders of the two biggest political parties that they were not able to get 80 anti-FG TDs together to form a government. Having failed at doing that without the other, they then failed to do it together. Subsequently, a national crisis has required FG to step up to the plate, and they have done that extremely well. If a government is formed including FG, it is not their fault, it is the fault of the rest of the parties to put aside their differences to implement their common policy platform of "FG out", for some of them, it amounted to nothing much more than that, with SF supporters on here openly admitting that their election propaganda was only for show.
P.S. Those getting Covid-19 payments were workers who just lost their jobs, unlike the life-long welfarers that some continue to defend.0 -
Issues? No way, I thought this global pandemic which is unprecedented in modern times would come off without a hitch.
You better keep posting anecdotes about your cousin, that will sort it all out.
Hey ballso...less than 24 hours ago there were people on here having conniptions because somebody spoiled the FG love-in and mentioned 'issues'.
Sorry for mentioning my nephew, I didn't know that real life experience was irrelevant in the FG world. Who knew.0 -
I've heard it said many times that "most wanted FG out". And that is an argument as 125 TDs were elected that are not from FG, well over the 80 needed.
It is some indictment of Micheal Martin and Mary-Lou McDonald as the leaders of the two biggest political parties that they were not able to get 80 anti-FG TDs together to form a government. Having failed at doing that without the other, they then failed to do it together. Subsequently, a national crisis has required FG to step up to the plate, and they have done that extremely well. If a government is formed including FG, it is not their fault, it is the fault of the rest of the parties to put aside their differences to implement their common policy platform of "FG out", for some of them, it amounted to nothing much more than that, with SF supporters on here openly admitting that their election propaganda was only for show.
P.S. Those getting Covid-19 payments were workers who just lost their jobs, unlike the life-long welfarers that some continue to defend.
When did FG 'step up' and form a government again?
I thought both Labour and the Greens wanted nothing to do with FG/FF currently.0 -
You're acknowledging that parties have an incentive to act the way they do and at the same insisting that they behave otherwise.Every party wants to be in some form of power position.
Most wanted FG out, that's pretty clear. Neither FF or SF got a clear enough majority. I agree all parties should respect the votes cast but regardless of how farcical the faux moralism may be FF, FG and SF don't have to go in with anyone. TBF any government including FF/FG is more cronyism and party and pals above the country.
Are these two things mutually exclusive?A few months back Nurses were over paid and got too many holidays. Now 'we're all in it together' seemingly.Won't be long before those availing of state aid due to Covid19 are back to being spongers, (unless large businesses) and the working tax payer bears the bill long after FG pals are back making millions.
This sounds like the "everyone's a socialist in a crisis" argument.
The fact is that COVID-19 is not causing the economic downturn. The government is. The economy has been shut down because the government has ordered it. Therefore the uptick so-called in "welfare" and measures we're seeing now (in a national crisis) are in no way comparable to the welfare measures that we have in non-crisis times. Nor is current govt grants to businesses a "bailout".
Why? Because the government is responsible for the downturn, therefore they are obligated to mitigate the fallout in a way they would not be if the economy crashed for actual economic reasons.
If someone drives a car through your living room and then compensates you for the damage, you would not call that a bailout. In this case the government is the one driving its car through our living rooms. I'm not saying that it's not necessary. Obviously it is in order to fight the virus. But it is not hypocrisy for Fine Gael to implement measures in an externally caused crisis that they would not implement in a non-crisis period.0 -
I disagree that it's the job of TDs to discern what the people really wanted from an election that was by any measure inconclusive and form a government accordingly.
You might well say that the people voted for change, but its obvious the people were not in agreement as to the form that change would take. We had our two main centre right parties on 40% and 72 seats between and then on the left you had absolute party salad. These parties have wildly different views on what "change" means. Even if there were enough seats for a "Grand Coalition of the Left", I seriously doubt all these parties could form a coalition. No party is under an obligation to form a govt with a party they have fundamental disagreements with.
So it is your opinion that the electorate did not make clear their intentions. Surely when someone speaks to you and you do not understand what they are saying you ask them to repeat it?As the two biggest parties, it's certainly clear that any potential govt must involve at least one of them. Simple maths will tell you that. But I don't think a party should compromise just for the sake of forming a government. Many people voted FF specifically because they said they would not work with Sinn Fein. FF has an incentive not just to get into govt, but to do so without compromising their own political interests or screwing over their party members. This is why they'd prefer to go into govt with FG rather than have another election as they have more common ground with them.
I never said any party should be forced to do anything. I agreed with you that FG should have the freedom if they wish to withdraw to the back benches in order to regroup and take stock and prepare for a future election. Likewise I agree that FF should not be forced into coalition with SF, even though that appears to be what people voted for.If Sinn Fein have a majority, then they can form a government. Or if they people also elect a party/parties who will work with them then the can form a government.
Sinn Fein is not entitled to go into government simply because they are the biggest party and no other party is obliged to facilitate them going into government.
Agreed, It is not mandatory that the party with the biggest vote automatically becomes part of government. But given the result of the election it was pretty clear that the existing government had lost considerable support, and it could be fairly argued the electorate expected a new government.
With the Green's and Labour refusing to join any government, it is becoming more unlikely that a FF/FG/Independent government could be formed. Even it it is formed I cant see it being stable enough to last a full term. Independents are likely to jump ship, especially in the aftermath of a virus epidemic where some really hard decisions (and probably very unpalatable ones at that) will have to be made
As the results of the election were so indecisive would you not agree that giving the electorate another opportunity to consider their choice in the previous elections is not only the sensible thing to do but the most rational thing to do.
Another election would probably result in one party having a clear mandate to form a government that has a sufficient majority to remain stable.
you are splitting hairs. A republic is the system of government that allows a country to be democraticWell we live in a republic which is not quite the same thing.0 -
You are the one making the positive statement that he should have been tested. Prove that positive statement, rather than asking me to prove a negative.
What you have told us is that he returned from Scandanavia on 13th March, felt ill and hasn't been given a test. There was nothing and is nothing in any of the medical criteria I have seen that deem him on the list for a test.
There are quite a number of people who believe that they should have a test but don't meet the criteria.
No blanch, I never said he felt ill, I said for the fourth time now.
He was displaying 3/3 of the symptoms people are being urged to get themselves tested for if they are showing them
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No blanch, I never said he felt ill, I said for the fourth time now.
He was displaying 3/3 of the symptoms people are being urged to get themselves tested for if they are showing them
FFS.
At least three times today on the National Broadcaster the issues surrounding 'testing' have been discussed, but blanch and the 'say nothing bad about FG even though I vote for someone else' cohort are in denial about it.
It is 'full on denigrate anyone being critical'.0 -
FrancieBrady wrote: »When did FG 'step up' and form a government again?
I thought both Labour and the Greens wanted nothing to do with FG/FF currently.
When did "step up to the plate" as in temporarily govern because the rest of them couldn't get their act together equate to "step up and form a government"?
Stop addressing non-existent points.0 -
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Elections aren’t for deciding what the collective wants. They’re for aggregating the preferences of the individuals that make up the collective.So it is your opinion that the electorate did not make clear their intentions. Surely when someone speaks to you and you do not understand what they are saying you ask them to repeat it?
It’s a mistake to think of the electorate as a group of people that gets together every 5 years to decide what it wants.
Each member of the electorate decides what THEY want and our system aggregates those preferences and translates them into seats for each party proportional to its support among the electorate. The electorate is not a body or an organisation. It’s a group of individuals.
We can talk about what 24% of the electorate wanted or 40% or 37% but we cannot say that the electorate as a whole was in favour of something because it simply isn’t true.
Rather than trying to read the tea leaves as to what the electorate as a whole really wanted, we should look at it like this:
The electorate elected a Dáil. Let the members of that Dáil hash it out to form a govt. If they fail, then we elect a different Dáil. If we read any deeper into this thing we’re just pretending our system is more sophisticated than it really is.
I think everyone expected a change in government but I don’t think anyone who looked seriously at the final opinion polls or the actual results expected a seismic shift in the balance of power that would result in the Left swooping in and knocking out the centre right. I think people are pretending they expected that which is why Sinn Fein are going around pretending they just won an election.But given the result of the election it was pretty clear that the existing government had lost considerable support, and it could be fairly argued the electorate expected a new government.
Well I think the prospect of socialist government in this country will render that coalition very stable. Enemy of my enemy is my friend.With the Green's and Labour refusing to join any government, it is becoming more unlikely that a FF/FG/Independent government could be formed. Even it it is formed I cant see it being stable enough to last a full term. Independents are likely to jump ship, especially in the aftermath of a virus epidemic where some really hard decisions (and probably very unpalatable ones at that) will have to be made
This is just an unrealistic expectation given the people in the Dáil are trying to do their best for the people who elected them. As a Fine Gaeler I don’t want FG to capitulate to SF. If I were a Fianna Fáil voter I wouldn’t want Martin to cave to FF. If I were a Sinner I would want SF to do everything possible to get into govt.As the results of the election were so indecisive would you not agree that giving the electorate another opportunity to consider their choice in the previous elections is not only the sensible thing to do but the most rational thing to do.
Another election would probably result in one party having a clear mandate to form a government that has a sufficient majority to remain stable.
We just let them hash it out and let the chips fall where they will.
Well democracy just means that people vote. However we’re not an absolute democracy. We’re a republic meaning we don’t govern ourselves but we elect the people who do.you are splitting hairs. A republic is the system of government that allows a country to be democratic
This is relevant in that our jobs as voters is to pick who represents us in Leinster House but once they get there their jobs are to lead and exercise agency according to what they feel is right.
“A representative owes you not only his industry but his judgement and he betrays you if he sacrifices it to your opinion.”
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No blanch, I never said he felt ill, I said for the fourth time now.
He was displaying 3/3 of the symptoms people are being urged to get themselves tested for if they are showing them
FFS.
No need to shout.
IF a GP determines that a person is suffering from 3/3 of the symptoms, they can be referred for testing. That is what is being said today.
Now, your neighbour returned on March 13, and you said that he is waiting since then for a test. Explain clearly, by reference to the criteria in place on March 13 and not the ones now, how he qualified to be tested?
Now, going back to your original post, he spoke to his GP and his GP or the HSE obviously thought he didn't meet the criteria.
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"spoke with him one morning during the week, and he definitely had a flu like look of him, I kept well on the opposite side of the road to him when talking"
"you realise people are allowed to open their front doors to take in the supplies I brought him over, yeah?"
These two sentences do not match up either.0 -
When did "step up to the plate" as in temporarily govern because the rest of them couldn't get their act together equate to "step up and form a government"?
Stop addressing non-existent points.
Are you saying you never made this point about FG before the crisis?
Because I will stay up all night to find one of the posts where you go on about FG, 'stepping up to the plate'.
Another disingenuous post blanch.
BTW anyone of them would have stepped up to the crisis. Listening to experts and implementing a plan is not rocket science. They (FG) even have time to pat one another on the back on social media.0 -
FrancieBrady wrote: »Are you saying you never made this point about FG before the crisis?
Because I will stay up all night to find one of the posts where you go on about FG, 'stepping up to the plate'.
Another disingenuous post blanch.
IF and that's a big IF, I made that point, it was in a different context. Nevertheless, I am happy to let you stay up all night looking for an out-of-context post by an anonymous poster on boards to somehow prove something if that makes you happy.
The post you quoted from is in a different context, a different time and a different place, bears no relationship to any post I made in the past, and I clearly meant "stepping up to the plate" in the context of this crisis. IF and that is a bigger IF than whether or not I ever made a point (because it is possible I made a point sometime) Sinn Fein had been able to get their act together (I know, but sometimes you have to believe in unicorns and rainbows) and formed a government, they would be running the show and all would be right with the world. But it didn't happen, because they were not up to the task of persuading the rest of the 125 to come together on the anti-FG platform.0 -
IF and that's a big IF, I made that point, it was in a different context. Nevertheless, I am happy to let you stay up all night looking for an out-of-context post by an anonymous poster on boards to somehow prove something if that makes you happy.
The post you quoted from is in a different context, a different time and a different place, bears no relationship to any post I made in the past, and I clearly meant "stepping up to the plate" in the context of this crisis. IF and that is a bigger IF than whether or not I ever made a point (because it is possible I made a point sometime) Sinn Fein had been able to get their act together (I know, but sometimes you have to believe in unicorns and rainbows) and formed a government, they would be running the show and all would be right with the world. But it didn't happen, because they were not up to the task of persuading the rest of the 125 to come together on the anti-FG platform.
Yeh...as is your usual you would deny it ws what you meant alright.
FG had no choice, their duty was to run the country in the absence of a government, that is the deal they signed up to. Would it have been alright if they just said. 'sod the virus, sod the country, we are still huffing?'.
Would it have surprised anyone, given their reaction to the election? They had basically being telling the 21% who had voted for them to get lost . That they had wasted their vote because FG were going into opposition.0 -
Harris being asked about testing...again, on the 9pm news.0
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Francie giving out about lack of perfection again on the 9 0 clock post....0
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Francie giving out about lack of perfection again on the 9 0 clock post....
At least you guys have stopped pretending there aren't issues worrying enough to prompt questions for the minister.
Yesterday I was 'scaremongering' and anybody who mentioned they had 'issues' either didn't exist or was an 'idiot'.0 -
No blanch, I never said he felt ill, I said for the fourth time now.
He was displaying 3/3 of the symptoms people are being urged to get themselves tested for if they are showing them
FFS.
Did you think he displayed these symptoms, or did he tell you, or did you diagnose him?
What are the 3/3 symptoms that you diagnosed?
Are you giving a medical opinion?
Did your neighbor contact their GP?
What was the medical opinion from the GP?
How long did you speak to this neighbor for?
Are you displaying any of the symptoms?
Have you contacted your GP?0 -
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FrancieBrady wrote: »At least you guys have stopped pretending there aren't issues worrying enough to prompt questions for the minister.
Yesterday I was 'scaremongering' and anybody who mentioned they had 'issues' either didn't exist or was an 'idiot'.
That's incorrect
I still think you're going on with unnecessary claptrap0
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