FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

IAMAMORON

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You accused a political party of profiting off fuel smuggling and diesel laundering.

You are being a tad hypocritical here.

Francie I am bored now, we will talk again.

Take it easy.

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

Spurious
Nothing there other than Gardai must act on a report or complaint
How about evidence of corruption ie a minister directing Daly be stopped like I asked or the purpose of Matt throwing a few irrelevant items into a discussion

Who is 'Matt' referring to? You asked me about that post too?

FrancieBrady

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Francie I am bored now, we will talk again.

Take it easy.

Sure you are.

IAMAMORON

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Sincerely bring it up in the legal discussion. If you think he is innocent you need to lay out your reasons there, this is a political discussion.

I would not know how to start building a rabbit catcher, I mean that.

British judicial corruption has nothing to do with Fine Gael either.

Mate you brought up the SCC,dont throw toys out of pram when its pointed out the obvious flaws in it,and that discussing reform/removal of it,is long overdue

The troubles are over with 20 odd years,and we still have peoples liberty being removed for what seems near on zero evidence


I have never said he is innocent or otherwise,just that to.me,noone should be in jail for years,based on what he is (how can.FG,who tradionally stood on a law&order platform stand over this??)

James Brown

Mortelaro wrote: »

Spurious
Nothing there other than Gardai must act on a report or complaint
How about evidence of corruption ie a minister directing Daly be stopped like I asked or the purpose of Matt throwing a few irrelevant items into a discussion

Brendan, why ask me for comments only for you to ignore my replies? The discussion was someone sending heavies after TD's. I gave examples and asked is that what he was referring to. I clarified that for you but you are willfully feigning ignorance for some reason. It's like your 'FF are FG's last resort' fantasy.

Mortelaro

Bowie wrote: »

You said FF were a last resort when in fact they were first pick. First was relishing opposition. Then they decided to try form a government with FF. Can you show how your 'last resort' claim plays into this?
You just need own these facts. Why go in with FF and try pretend your hand was forced? Playing politics is grand and all but the days of FG pretending they grudgingly did it for Ireland are long gone, if they were ever there at all.

No I did not
For the avoidance of all doubt, when leo was asked at one of the pre election debates if he'd go into government with FF ,rather than rule it out,he said he'd only go in if it was the last resort
That last resort is here,no government without FG is possible despite everyone trying

The poster mentioned 'sending heavies' after a TD. I gave examples in an effort to find clarity in what that poster was trying to say. So equivalent to what? We don't know.

So for the avoidance of doubt what were your examples exactly examples of? That FG can send the Gardai after rivals?
Or what exactly, you never said

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

No I did not
For the avoidance of all doubt, when leo was asked at one of the pre election debates if he'd go into government with FF ,rather than rule it out,he said he'd only go in if it was the last resort
That last resort is here,no government without FG is possible despite everyone trying

Keep up. Not at last resort by any means. https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1257743788056993797

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Keep up. Not at last resort by any means. https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1257743788056993797

Yeah,a bit like man United asking Cardiff for a loan of the cup when liverpool have it
No numbers ,just noise

Jinglejangle69

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Keep up. Not at last resort by any means. https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1257743788056993797

Very convenient.

Why not last week or the week before?

Was nothing stopping him then.

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

Yeah,a bit like man United asking Cardiff for a loan of the cup when liverpool have it
No numbers ,just noise

Same could be said of FG/FF/Greens efforts so far.
But what it shows is that it is definitely not 'last resort territory'.

Wrong again there.

FrancieBrady

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Very convenient.

Why not last week or the week before?

Was nothing stopping him then.

What was stopping FF/FG getting together?

Jinglejangle69

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Same could be said of FG/FF/Greens efforts so far.
But what it shows is that it is definitely not 'last resort territory'.

Wrong again there.

Well then maybe its time for SF to step up so.

You said the numbers weren't there all along.

Now you say its not last resort territory.

Well the left should get around to forming a government if what Mary Lou said is true.

That FF or FG in government would be a disaster.

Then do something about it Mary.

McMurphy

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Very convenient.

Why not last week or the week before?

Was nothing stopping him then.

You obviously didn't bother reading the letters attached in the tweet, because it specifically explains why.

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Keep up. Not at last resort by any means. https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1257743788056993797

Yeah,a bit like man United asking Cardiff for a loan of the cup when liverpool have it
No numbers ,just noise

Jinglejangle69

McMurphy wrote: »

You obviously didn't bother reading the letters attached in the tweet, because it specifically explains why.

Oh I'll have a read now so thanks.

FrancieBrady

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Well then maybe its time for SF to step up so.

You said the numbers weren't there all along.

Now you say its not last resort territory.

Well the left should get around to forming a government if what Mary Lou said is true.

That FF or FG in government would be a disaster.

Then do something about it Mary.

I never said a thing about 'numbers'.

Wrong again.

Jinglejangle69

Just read it there.

All bluff and all for show.

Load of nonsense.

How convenient.

If he really wanted to keep FF and FG out he would have properly tried.

He had 12 weeks.

Now we get a letter stating he's suddenly concerned.

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

Yeah,a bit like man United asking Cardiff for a loan of the cup when liverpool have it
No numbers ,just noise

Another 'argument' in trouble? Sounds like it.

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Another 'argument' in trouble? Sounds like it.

Try as you might,you lost the last tete a tete because you asserted we dont have a government when the constitution says we do and uses no other word only government

It's not my fault that votes against working with SF add up to more than 80
So yeah PBP's proposal is in trouble alright

Jinglejangle69

Mortelaro wrote: »

Try as you might,you lost the last tete a tete because you asserted we dont have a government when the constitution says we do and uses no other word only government

It's not my fault that votes against working with SF add up to more than 80
So yeah PBP's proposal is in trouble alright

Embarrassing for SF that PBP step up and try again to form a government.

SF hiding all along as we suspected.

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

Try as you might,you lost the last tete a tete because you asserted we dont have a government when the constitution says we do and uses no other word only government

It's not my fault that votes against working with SF add up to more than 80
So yeah PBP's proposal is in trouble alright

Oh look, a deflection.

You can have any opinion you want on the success of this move, knock yourself out with the disparaging and sniping it, I would expect no less.

What you cannot do is portray FF/FG/Greens effort as a 'last resort' no matter how much you try to deflect. Sorry for your troubles.

FrancieBrady

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Embarrassing for SF that PBP step up and try again to form a government.

SF hiding all along as we suspected.

Except it is PBP that are having second thoughts now, as it was they who walked away from the last discussions.

Solidarity-People Before Profit TD Richard Boyd-Barrett said he did not believe there would be sufficient TDs for an alternative coalition of progressive parties led by Sinn Féin.

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Oh look, a deflection.

You can have any opinion you want on the success of this move, knock yourself out with the disparaging and sniping it, I would expect no less.

What you cannot do is portray FF/FG/Greens effort as a 'last resort' no matter how much you try to deflect. Sorry for your troubles.

But it is the last resort, its the only workable prospect bar another election
There are 80 td's+ who will not vote to install a government that includes SF

On the other matter,come back to me when you get that constitution wording changed

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

But it is the last resort, its the only workable prospect bar another election
There are 80 td's+ who will not vote to install a government that includes SF

On the other matter,come back to me when you get that constitution wording changed

Was there a vote? I must have missed that.

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Was there a vote? I must have missed that.

On you being a magician? No

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

On you being a magician? No

The only vote for a Taoiseach in the Dáil that I am aware of saw MLMD of SF get the highest number of votes.
So your opinion has gotten in the way of the facts. Until somebody wins that vote the game isn't over.

And a game it is. A month ago The Greens categorically ruled out a coalition with FF and FG. And yet tomorrow they enter formal talks with FG and FF.
PBP haven't given up either, neither, according to SF, have they.

So 'last resort' is not where we are at...except in your head maybe. 'Hope springing eternal', I think that is called.

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The only vote for a Taoiseach in the Dáil that I am aware of saw MLMD of SF get the highest number of votes.
So your opinion has gotten in the way of the facts. Until somebody wins that vote the game isn't over.

And a game it is. A month ago The Greens categorically ruled out a coalition with FF and FG. And yet tomorrow they enter formal talks with FG and FF.
PBP haven't given up either, neither, according to SF, have they.

So 'last resort' is not where we are at...except in your head maybe. 'Hope springing eternal', I think that is called.

That's all well and good if that's actually your opinion, I doubt that it is
it's just waffle really
The numbers aren't there
Unless you're a magician

RandomViewer

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Can you supply copies of these letters? Surely they would be available under FOI?

Actually, for the craic why don't you name the councillors ? I would love to hear about the disenfranchised FG ones for starters, go on spit them out why don't ya?

The FF ones are in Donegal, Ciaran Brogan and Patrick McGowan , full letter is on Donegal Daily website, up to yourself to look it up.

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

That's all well and good if that's actually your opinion, I doubt that it is
it's just waffle really
The numbers aren't there
Unless you're a magician

So what 'magician' waved a wand a month ago and got The Greens into formal talks when they had categorically ruled it out? Michael Marti was adamant he wouldn't go into a grand coalition with FG, yet suddenly, now it is possible. (If you want me to play the clip of him actually saying it to voters, I can link)

It is clear things/positions/wants can change in a heartbeat.

But no...your 'opinion' trumps the facts.

Mortelaro

You'd need a magician to remove 80 odd votes against
A wave of a wand I suppose
Whoosh.. Abbra Cadabra
We wont mention any puff of smoke