FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

James Brown

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Love the way the SF lads are in here and vanished form the SF thread after getting rinsed:)

Is that what FG are going to do for the next 5 years?
TBF, they'd be better off concentrating on the job of government now and if they form one with FF and chums. Time better spent IMO.

blanch152

Mortelaro wrote: »

No
You really are making a dogs dinner of pretending you don't know
I'll repeat what's obvious again

FG's only option had to include FF
FG relished opposition if the others trying succeeded, that included MLM's overtures and FF's to others
That not happening, FG as promised,is stepping in as a last resort

There is a further option for FG.

If the coalition talks fail, the push against Martin within FF could lead to a SF/FF government.

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

But you won't be critical if there is another resort after the 'last resort' which you claim is what this is?

Confused? I think we all are.

You expect Soc Dems and labour to Go in?
I thought you said you don't believe in magic

Mortelaro

blanch152 wrote: »

There is a further option for FG.

If the coalition talks fail, the push against Martin within FF could lead to a SF/FF government.

That would set me laughing
I'd say it has a negative R rating though

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

You expect Soc Dems and labour to Go in?
I thought you said you don't believe in magic

Anything is possible...the bizarre thing is that you won't be critical if FG have another go after pontificating and defending them on the basis that this is a 'last resort'?

Even more bizarre that you cannot see the contradiction.

James Brown

Mortelaro wrote: »

No
You really are making a dogs dinner of pretending you don't know
I'll repeat what's obvious again

FG's only option had to include FF
FG relished opposition if the others trying succeeded, that included MLM's overtures and FF's to others
That not happening, FG as promised,is stepping in as a last resort

You are telling lies here.

Mr Varadkar said if Sinn Féin fails to form a government, then the onus passes to Fianna Fáil.

He said his future is about leading the party into opposition.

A statement from Fine Gael said that Mr Varadkar "relishes the challenge to lead a strong and effective opposition for the benefit of the country".

It added: "There will be no negotiations on a programme for government without a further mandate from the parliamentary party", which will meet again next week.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51538546

The outgoing Taoiseach's (Irish PM) said he was opposed to his party – Fine Gael – forming a grand coalition with Fianna Fail amid continuing speculation over when the upcoming election will be held. And despite calls for him to step down as party after his devastating defeat, Leo Varadakar insisted he would relish the challenge of leading an opposition party, according to Ireland’s national broadcaster RTE.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1243472/leo-Varadkar-news-irish-election-irish-politics-news-sin-feinn-fine-gael-fianna-fail

Then FF invited them for a third time and FG changed it's mind.
If you get invited to a party and accept the invitation you are not going as a last resort. You could stay home or try throw your own...

At this point I believe you are engaging in a face saving exercise on behalf of FG. It's pointless and I'll never swallow the 'last resort' spin as it is ridiculous. As it's also pointless feel free to make both yourself and FG look foolish by continuing to sell something nobody is buying.

RandomViewer

Martin putting in terrible performances on telly and in the Dail, the time has come for him to go, next poll will show them on single figures.FG seem to have locked Coveney in the cellar for the duration of the lockdown?

Mortelaro

Bowie wrote: »

You are telling lies here.





Then FF invited them for a third time and FG changed it's mind.
If you get invited to a party and accept the invitation you are not going as a last resort. You could stay home or try throw your own...

At this point I believe you are engaging in a face saving exercise on behalf of FG. It's pointless and I'll never swallow the 'last resort' spin as it is ridiculous. As it's also pointless feel free to make both yourself and FG look foolish by continuing to sell something nobody is buying.

Huh

How does the above invalidate what I said?
Leo was not going in with FF untill all options were exhausted by them
They are now at the last resort

You've made a dogs breakfast this time ,dinner the last time
Supper next I suppose
Doesn't change a thing

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Anything is possible...the bizarre thing is that you won't be critical if FG have another go after pontificating and defending them on the basis that this is a 'last resort'?

Even more bizarre that you cannot see the contradiction.

Ah now,have ye replied to PBP's impossible dream letter yet? Like the above, It's another one of your anything's possible conjures

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

Ah now,have ye replied to PBP's impossible dream letter yet? Like the above, It's another one of your anything's possible conjures

.....and deflection.

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

.....and deflection.

How is pointing out the obvious flaw in your suggestions that there are other options for government deflection?
You brought it up last night yourself in this thread

Dogs dinners recipes are available for replies

James Brown

Mortelaro wrote: »

Huh

How does the above invalidate what I said?
Leo was not going in with FF untill all options were exhausted by them
They are now at the last resort

You've made a dogs breakfast this time ,dinner the last time
Supper next I suppose
Doesn't change a thing

Because Leo was against a grand coalition with FF. Not open to it if something something...

FG were FF's last resort and FG accepting the invite willingly having changed their mind. Nothing wrong with that.

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

How is pointing out the obvious flaw in your suggestions that there are other options for government deflection?
You brought it up last night yourself in this thread

Dogs dinners recipes are available for replies

The contradiction is: you will NOT criticise FG if they go into a 'definitely last resort maybe' arrangement.

As I said, bizarre that you cannot see the contradiction.

*But I think you can and you just like digging.

Mortelaro

Bowie wrote: »

Because Leo was against a grand coalition with FF. Not open to it if something something...

FG were FF's last resort and FG accepting the invite willingly having changed their mind. Nothing wrong with that.

Aaaaaaand we have the dogs supper reply

He was against it in the debate too but said only as a last resort
The two positions are not mutually exclusive

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The contradiction is: you will NOT criticise FG if they go into a 'definitely last resort maybe' arrangement.

As I said, bizarre that you cannot see the contradiction.

*But I think you can and you just like digging.

You didn't answer my question as to how I deflected and then you deflected with a straw man argument... wow

The problem with your strawman is there are no other options, the numbers against are too high

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

You didn't answer my question as to how I deflected and then you deflected with a straw man argument... wow

The problem with your strawman is there are no other options, the numbers against are too high

The problem is, 'it is your opinion' there are no other options and whether there is or not, it wouldn't matter because you have no problem with FG going for another last resort. A 'last last resort'...so to speak. You can, again, back away from saying that, but say it you did.

I.E. you are either being willfully obtuse or you don't understand what 'last' means.
Or the other option: you will never criticise FG.

I'm favouring the first and last options above.

FrancieBrady

Leo, never afraid to continue the fine Fine gael tradition of lying when he knows he is lying, and using it a lá Enda Kenny to deflect in the Dáil, is continuing to be roasted on Twitter.
He knows that there are plenty who will lap up the lie as the truth. It's all they have left to be honest.

I don't think I have seen a picture retweeted so much as that one of Murphy posing with food parcels.

https://twitter.com/andreemurphy/status/1258446615251226627

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The problem is, 'it is your opinion' there are no other options and whether there is or not, it wouldn't matter because you have no problem with FG going for another last resort. A 'last last resort'...so to speak. You can, again, back away from saying that, but say it you did.

I.E. you are either being willfully obtuse or you don't understand what 'last' means.
Or the other option: you will never criticise FG.

I'm favouring the first and last options above.

Your PBP option last night has hit the ropes
Your option today would require the Soc Dems or Labour to go in with FF which they have resolutely ruled out
Both wouldn't have the numbers without SF which MM has resolutely ruled out

And you still haven't shown how me mentioning the above is deflection when it was a direct reply to your invalid arguments that theres other options
Invalid because your mar dhea options are out

Nothing obtuse there,I've been saying it last several posts
All very clear
It's why we are where we are on government formation, the last resort

James Brown

Mortelaro wrote: »

Aaaaaaand we have the dogs supper reply

He was against it in the debate too but said only as a last resort
The two positions are not mutually exclusive

Deciding, by choice, to change ones mind and accept an invite having not explored or exhausted other opportunities, is not a 'last resort'.

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

Your PBP option last night has hit the ropes
Your option today would require the Soc Dems or Labour to go in with FF which they have resolutely ruled out
Both wouldn't have the numbers without SF which MM has resolutely ruled out

And you still haven't shown how me mentioning the above is deflection when it was a direct reply to your invalid arguments that theres other options
Invalid because your mar dhea options are out

Nothing obtuse there,I've been saying it last several posts
All very clear
It's why we are where we are on government formation, the last resort

The Greens categorically ruled out coalition a month ago. FF totally ruled out coalition altogether.

As usual you are think arrogantly that your opinion is fact. It isn't.

And it doesn't matter in the slightest what happens, we know from your own words that you won't criticise it anyway.

Now, go on and quit digging holes.

efanton

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/green-party-asks-members-not-to-speak-to-media-before-informing-party-press-office-998290.html

It appears a the Green party has invoked a gagging order on its members.
Nothing is to be said by any member unless approved by the party press office first.

I wonder how long that will last, and why it was felt there was a need for a gagging order?

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The Greens categorically ruled out coalition a month ago. FF totally ruled out coalition altogether.

As usual you are think arrogantly that your opinion is fact. It isn't.

And it doesn't matter in the slightest what happens, we know from your own words that you won't criticise it anyway.

Now, go on and quit digging holes.

Huh
The greens wanted a national government with all parties which didn't fly
Then they took a vote on the option of opening talks about going in with FF and FG
Labour are making no moves to FF
Neither are the Soc Dems and we know the numbers don't add up in the PbP SF soc Dem independents fantasy
You must be sure glad it ain't windy today with all your straw men

We are at the last resort, like it or lump it

You are right about one thing though,I'd be very happy if the soc Dems and labour joined with FF and FG
But MM has been rebuffed on that score
No resorts left only the current one unfortunately

efanton

Mortelaro wrote: »

Huh
The greens wanted a national government with all parties which didn't fly
Then they took a vote on the option of opening talks about going in with FF and FG
Labour are making no moves to FF
Neither are the Soc Dems and we know the numbers don't add up in the PbP SF soc Dem independents fantasy
You must be sure glad it ain't windy today with all your straw men

We are at the last resort, like it or lump it

You are right about one thing though,I'd be very happy if the soc Dems and labour joined with FF and FG
But MM has been rebuffed on that score
No resorts left only the current one unfortunately

Surely the last resort is a fresh election?

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

Huh
The greens wanted a national government with all parties which didn't fly
Then they took a vote on the option of opening talks about going in with FF and FG
Labour are making no moves to FF
Neither are the Soc Dems and we know the numbers don't add up in the PbP SF soc Dem independents fantasy
You must be sure glad it ain't windy today with all your straw men

We are at the last resort, like it or lump it

You are right about one thing though,I'd be very happy if the soc Dems and labour joined with FF and FG
But MM has been rebuffed on that score
No resorts left only the current one unfortunately

So basically the above is some random poster on the internet calling halt to government formation talks.
And not even noticing that what he just said proves that things/positions can change.

Fabulous Mort. Well done again.

Mortelaro

efanton wrote: »

Surely the last resort is a fresh election?

No,that's not actually an option this year at all probably and we need the Taoiseach to appoint 11 senators or no new legislation can be enacted
You couldn't have that going on for the rest of the year tbh

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

No,that's not actually an option this year at all probably and we need the Taoiseach to appoint 11 senators or no new legislation can be enacted
You couldn't have that going on for the rest of the year tbh

So you are saying these talks have to work out?

Where is it said that an election isn't an option?

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So basically the above is some random poster on the internet calling halt to government formation talks.
And not even noticing that what he just said proves that things/positions can change.

Fabulous Mort. Well done again.

Nope,those started down at Agriculture house today
As for your fervent hope
You're entitled to that

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So now it is care workers fault?

Why are you so quick to blame Francie. An honest question.

Do you have a morbid fascination with this?

markodaly

blanch152 wrote: »

If people go around breaking the lockdown rules, then we have problems.

There are also problems with the more lax arrangements put in place by the SF/DUP government in the North as can be seen by the higher per capita rates in Cavan and Monaghan. It can't all be wall-builders.

Didnt we have some SF supporters giving out about lax travel border controls which of course meant that the border should be closed off between the Republic and the North. How partitionist eh!

Then we have FB himself traveling all over the shop on 'essential' business and flouting social distancing rules by building a random wall with his mates.

Is it any wonder the border counties have such a high infection rate with that carry-on. Rules apply to others I suppose.

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

Why are you so quick to blame Francie. An honest question.

Do you have a morbid fascination with this?

I didn't 'blame' anybody. I clearly said that I suspected an inquiry would be needed in the context of what happened with care homes, to find out if 'anyone was to blame' at all.

It was several other posters who were 'blaming the people' for spreading the virus, including in that care workers who carried the virus into homes.

My view is that the virus spreads by contact, and if people do that, they do it 'unknowingly' and are therefore not to blame, unless they knowingly break rules and guidelines.