FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The bounce from handling the pandemic well. It surprised everyone even if they have made characteristic mistakes.

We should have an inquiry into whether FG started the pandemic

Shefwedfan

Quotations wrote: »

A simple no would suffice. You don't understand maths.

More people voted for change in the last election than those that voted status quo. Its a fact. Are you going to hold voters responsible for FF and FG and the greens braking their promise to the voter post election?

Lying to the electorate. Is this your dodgy logic?

Most first preference votes went to SF. What their final vote share was I don;t know because most of them qualified first count across the country.

FF and FG got many, many vote transfers on the 5th, 6th, 10th recount ect so maybe this is clouding the issue. Some didn't even reach the quota; Simon Harris for example. Could not even get 11,000 votes out of his constituency. Absurd really that Leo has rewarded such a failure with continuity. Particularly when he was the one who brought down the government.

24% voted for Sinn Fein and “change”. That means 76% didn’t.

They voted for FF and FG yes, but also Greens, Social Dem, Independent and God love us all but some voted for Gemma

Does that make sense?

As per other comments, the party at the end with the most seats is the winner. That’s not Sinn Fein

Even if FF turned around tomorrow and said they would bring in Sein Fein, Mary Lou would not be Taoiseach

Quotations

Quotations wrote: »

Well? Smokes and mirrors. 8th worst per million in the world. One higher than France, two below Italy I think the WHO chart states.

Here's a question; Remove all the unnecessary care home deaths from the official figures and where would (should*) Ireland be?

(*If there was a competent government and administration instead of the legacy of FFG croyism?)

Simon and Leo threw the most vulnerable under the bus on day one. Everyone and their dog knew what was coming weeks in advance and they let it happen. Shame.

If they knew it was coming weeks in advance, why weren’t they prepared?

Simple fact is that the pandemic was unprecedented and no country in the world could have been prepared for it.

dundalkfc10

Shefwedfan wrote: »

24% voted for Sinn Fein and “change”. That means 76% didn’t.

They voted for FF and FG yes, but also Greens, Social Dem, Independent and God love us all but some voted for Gemma

Does that make sense?

As per other comments, the party at the end with the most seats is the winner. That’s not Sinn Fein

Even if FF turned around tomorrow and said they would bring in Sein Fein, Mary Lou would not be Taoiseach

They could turn around and say they would bring in Sinn Féin if these talks don't go well or The Greens fall apart before it finishes. Everyone knows he only wants 1 thing

Martin was doing plenty of giving out about FG choices latley in the Dáil today, it's not all going to plan it seems

Shefwedfan

Quotations wrote: »

Well? Smokes and mirrors. 8th worst per million in the world. One higher than France, two below Italy I think the WHO chart states.

Here's a question; Remove all the unnecessary care home deaths from the official figures and where would (should*) Ireland be?

(*If there was a competent government and administration instead of the legacy of FFG croyism?)

Simon and Leo threw the most vulnerable under the bus on day one. Everyone and their dog knew what was coming weeks in advance and they let it happen. Shame.

Really? Check the rugby forum here and see the comments when the games got cancelled, people saying it was all over the top,
It wouldn’t hit Ireland, waste of time

Even I travelled to Austria in early part of year and people laughing when a few people had masks in airports and walking around.

Most people thought this would never come or wasn’t a reality. Just look at the US

Shefwedfan

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

They could turn around and say they would bring in Sinn Féin if these talks don't go well or The Greens fall apart before it finishes. Everyone knows he only wants 1 thing

Martin was doing plenty of giving out about FG choices latley in the Dáil today, it's not all going to plan it seems

I think you missed the point

FrancieBrady

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Really? Check the rugby forum here and see the comments when the games got cancelled, people saying it was all over the top,
It wouldn’t hit Ireland, waste of time

Even I travelled to Austria in early part of year and people laughing when a few people had masks in airports and walking around.

Most people thought this would never come or wasn’t a reality. Just look at the US

The government is to be held to the standards in Boards.ie rugby forum?

Good man Shef. For a FFer you are a great FGer, it should all go swimmingly.

James Brown

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The government is to be held to the standards in Boards.ie rugby forum?

Good man Shef. For a FFer you are a great FGer, it should all go swimmingly.

When folk start using the US to justify a view we're in trouble.

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The bounce from handling the pandemic well. It surprised everyone even if they have made characteristic mistakes.

Oh... we need to drill this one down....

Now..despite having a pandemic foisted on them, after specifically declaring a desire to go into opposition, they, instead of saying , not our biness guv, let those who think they ‘won’ the election form a govt and handle it, they use the pandemic as an ‘opportunity’.!!!!

That’s quite a leap, quite a preposterous leap.

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Oh... we need to drill this one down....

Now..despite having a pandemic foisted on them, after specifically declaring a desire to go into opposition, they, instead of saying , not our biness guv, let those who think they ‘won’ the election form a govt and handle it, they use the pandemic as an ‘opportunity’.!!!!

That’s quite a leap, quite a preposterous leap.

Brendan, don't come on a politics thread if you don't know what you are talking about.
They were duty and legally bound to deal with governance until a new government was formed. This is basic stuff.

P.S. Read what was said, they used the 'bounce' from handling the pandemic and saw an opportunity to get back in power.

blanch152

Quotations wrote: »

A simple no would suffice. You don't understand maths.

More people voted for change in the last election than those that voted status quo. Its a fact. Are you going to hold voters responsible for FF and FG and the greens braking their promise to the voter post election?

Lying to the electorate. Is this your dodgy logic?

Most first preference votes went to SF. What their final vote share was I don;t know because most of them qualified first count across the country.

FF and FG got many, many vote transfers on the 5th, 6th, 10th recount ect so maybe this is clouding the issue. Some didn't even reach the quota; Simon Harris for example. Could not even get 11,000 votes out of his constituency. Absurd really that Leo has rewarded such a failure with continuity. Particularly when he was the one who brought down the government.

You might understand maths but you don't understand the electoral process. Actually, scrub that, you don't understand maths either. This particular quotation exposes you badly -

"Most first preference votes went to SF."

Most in maths means a majority. The smallest majority is 50% plus one vote. Sinn Fein got around half that.

Elections 1.01 is where you could start.

dundalkfc10

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I think you missed the point

It still annoy you that Sinn Féin had much more successful election than FG. Give it 5 more years and that's 5 more years of 18-23 year olds who will not vote FF or FG

blanch152

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Oh... we need to drill this one down....

Now..despite having a pandemic foisted on them, after specifically declaring a desire to go into opposition, they, instead of saying , not our biness guv, let those who think they ‘won’ the election form a govt and handle it, they use the pandemic as an ‘opportunity’.!!!!

That’s quite a leap, quite a preposterous leap.

Not the biggest leap he's taken, though. A few weeks ago he built a wall with his mates in the middle of the lockdown while posting every 10 minutes on boards. Leaping all over the place, he was.

Shefwedfan

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Oh... we need to drill this one down....

Now..despite having a pandemic foisted on them, after specifically declaring a desire to go into opposition, they, instead of saying , not our biness guv, let those who think they ‘won’ the election form a govt and handle it, they use the pandemic as an ‘opportunity’.!!!!

That’s quite a leap, quite a preposterous leap.

The party that "won" according to some people, Sinn Fein, would still be trying to put a government together in 5 years time when the next election is around

The politicians took over, first with FG and FF putting a plan together for Covid. Then with FF going to FG/Green to create a government in the knowledge the last thing Ireland needs is an election

blanch152

Bowie wrote: »

When folk start using the US to justify a view we're in trouble.

What was that about J1 visas you were using to back you up ten minutes ago?

Brendan Bendar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Failure to form a government is an entirely different thing. Don't start the silly buggers again.
FG accepted the loss and were heading to opposition in a huff. Then they saw an opportunity to capitalise and they did. The electorate have no say in that, they have to sit back and watch.

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

What opportunity was that Francie???

Do explain.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The bounce from handling the pandemic well. It surprised everyone even if they have made characteristic mistakes.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Brendan, don't come on a politics thread if you don't know what you are talking about.
They were duty and legally bound to deal with governance until a new government was formed. This is basic stuff.

P.S. Read what was said, they used the 'bounce' from handling the pandemic and saw an opportunity to get back in power.

Hmmmm

That’s not what you said in the initial post, Francie.

You then tried to cover your tracks with the bounce business.

Need to up your game a bit .

blanch152

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Hmmmm

That’s not what you said in the initial post, Francie.

You then tried to cover your tracks with the bounce business.

Need to up your game a bit .

There was no opportunity for Fine Gael other than the complete failure of Mary-Lou McDonald to put together any sort of a government. Mary-Lou's abject and abysmal efforts handed the ball to Fine Gael, yet Francie wants to blame them for taking advantage of her awful leadership.

Shefwedfan

blanch152 wrote: »

There was no opportunity for Fine Gael other than the complete failure of Mary-Lou McDonald to put together any sort of a government. Mary-Lou's abject and abysmal efforts handed the ball to Fine Gael, yet Francie wants to blame them for taking advantage of her awful leadership.

But but but but but.......FG something......not fair.......change


I have 50 quid on the above been the response

Jinglejangle69

blanch152 wrote: »

There was no opportunity for Fine Gael other than the complete failure of Mary-Lou McDonald to put together any sort of a government. Mary-Lou's abject and abysmal efforts handed the ball to Fine Gael, yet Francie wants to blame them for taking advantage of her awful leadership.

Any word on the talks they said they were going into after Richard Boyd Barrett check mated them 2 weeks ago?

Shefwedfan

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Any word on the talks they said they were going into after Richard Boyd Barrett check mated them 2 weeks ago?

Richard Boyd waiting fro Sinn Fein to show up to meeting

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Not the biggest leap he's taken, though. A few weeks ago he built a wall with his mates in the middle of the lockdown while posting every 10 minutes on boards. Leaping all over the place, he was.

That all you got blanch...a snide comment?
Problem is you don't understand technology.

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Hmmmm

That’s not what you said in the initial post, Francie.

You then tried to cover your tracks with the bounce business.

Need to up your game a bit .

That's exactly what I said, but Brendan jumped to conclusions in size 14's.
'FG saw an opportunity and jumped at it'.

Jinglejangle69

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Richard Boyd waiting fro Sinn Fein to show up to meeting

So for all the Mary-Lou talk about FF or FG been in government being a disaster, she sat by and allowed that to happen.


Made a piss poor effort in reaching out to other parties.

But we know what the response will be from SF when a government is formed.

It was someine else's fault.

As always.

Blow 4 year old kids up with a bomb in a shopping centre?

Yeah that was actually the brits fault, not the person who physically put the bomb there.

They make my stomach turn.

Brendan Bendar

blanch152 wrote: »

There was no opportunity for Fine Gael other than the complete failure of Mary-Lou McDonald to put together any sort of a government. Mary-Lou's abject and abysmal efforts handed the ball to Fine Gael, yet Francie wants to blame them for taking advantage of her awful leadership.

Exactly, and although Francie seems to think the electorate can only “sit and watch” he forgets they can form an opinion as to how ML and her ragtaggle bunch of followers would have handled the issue.

Very disingenuous advising a respected poster not to come on to a thread, without Mod accreditation.

Especially after showing a bit of ‘form’ recently.

James Brown

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Oh... we need to drill this one down....

Now..despite having a pandemic foisted on them, after specifically declaring a desire to go into opposition, they, instead of saying , not our biness guv, let those who think they ‘won’ the election form a govt and handle it, they use the pandemic as an ‘opportunity’.!!!!

That’s quite a leap, quite a preposterous leap.

They had no option but to continue until a government is formed or another election called. We know Varadkar wanted to hang up his spurs but he didn't get the chance. Then he changed his mind. I do not believe trying to create a government with FF et. al. was based on a concern over Covid number 19.
The 'all in this together' bump has been felt from Trump to Johnson...the public are coming to their senses once again.

FrancieBrady

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

But we know what the response will be from SF when a government is formed.

It was someine else's fault.

The day after the Health Minister used the 'I didn't see the letter' excuse???? And after 4 years of FG taking responsibility for nothing...constantly blaming FF for the country's finances, until even interviewers were telling them to shut up about it. The housing crisis, the HSE, all somebody else's fault.

Up the yard as they'd say around here. Opposition is not for glowing praise or platitudes, it is to fault find and to call to account. The fear is evident in you.

Shefwedfan

If Sinn Fein was a top party like they claim to be now, Mary Lou should be given the boot. Simple as that

The local election, absolute disaster

The general election, which should be Sinn Fein rise to fame has ended up in a disaster. The spin merchants are trying to cover up but this is simple truth of matter. Mary Lou has shown yet again she is a poor politician and has zero negotiations skills. Even the new one Michelle up the North seems to have a better ability to talk to people based on her new love in with the DUP. When Mary Lou was involved it was a peeing competition for 3 years.

Best Mary Lou has done so far is sit with a sour face as Leo annihilated her in the Dail :-)

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Exactly, and although Francie seems to think the electorate can only “sit and watch” he forgets they can form an opinion as to how ML and her ragtaggle bunch of followers would have handled the issue.

Very disingenuous advising a respected poster not to come on to a thread, without Mod accreditation.

Especially after showing a bit of ‘form’ recently.

You were wrong about a basic tenet of government and our constitution.

Shefwedfan

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The day after the Health Minister used the 'I didn't see the letter' excuse???? And after 4 years of FG taking responsibility for nothing...constantly blaming FF for the country's finances, until even interviewers were telling them to shut up about it. The housing crisis, the HSE, all somebody else's fault.

Up the yard as they'd say around here. Opposition is not for glowing praise or platitudes, it is to fault find and to call to account. The fear is evident in you.

Yes and FG got voted out for it.



Sinn Fein ran on the mantra of "change". The people who voted for them got short-changed"


I actually like that one, think I will bold that one

Jinglejangle69

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The day after the Health Minister used the 'I didn't see the letter' excuse???? And after 4 years of FG taking responsibility for nothing...constantly blaming FF for the country's finances, until even interviewers were telling them to shut up about it. The housing crisis, the HSE, all somebody else's fault.

Up the yard as they'd say around here. Opposition is not for glowing praise or platitudes, it is to fault find and to call to account. The fear is evident in you.

Ah there it is.

The classic whataboutery from SF and especially Francie:)