FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

Bishop of hope

McMurphy wrote: »

Just wondering if you seen this post Bishop?

Sorry Mc, I didn't see it
It's a racist term or word in any context.
Another lad who thought I'm cool, I can use racist terms and people will be cool with that.
Not so, both apologised so both knew it was racist, Hypocrites if they dont.

Mortelaro

efanton wrote: »

Well there's Dublin and then there the rest of the country. nothing new there.
I think services in rural areas have been heavily affected by this pandemic.

But my point remains, its obvious that covid the affected both GP and hospital services an to suggest that these have not been affected is just plain wrong.
In some places it might be less visible in other .

My GP is based in Gorey co wexford
Vincent's hospital is in Dublin
Both were and are quiet
Its elective procedures that were being postponed during the pandemic
No issues with emergency care once you presented
Indeed about a month ago,my neighbour went to his gp with a lingering head cold on a wenesday afternoon
Literally 5 mins later he was in an ambulance to Vincent's and not let out of an isolation room there until the Saturday morning when his test came back as clear
A month into the pandemic, that's how organised they were getting with symptomatic patients despite hearing of delays in the early days
It's not surprising because there was plenty capacity
The delays especially early on with diagnosis appeared to be where your GP was not sending you to hospital

dundalkfc10

The funny part is when you put up proof that they are not doing as great a job as they are making out, the supporters on here just ignore it and debate another topic

Mortelaro

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/patphelan/status/1272076624524201984?s=19

A fine job they are doing alright

If you wish to discuss things instead of just regurgitating misrepresentations you are making,I'll discuss things
Otherwise,might I suggest a blog
Dr Navarro just last week praised Ireland
Fact

dundalkfc10

Mortelaro wrote: »

If you wish to discuss things instead of just regurgitating misrepresentations you are making,I'll discuss things
Otherwise,might I suggest a blog
Dr Navarro just last week praised Ireland
Fact

Read the paper and come back to me

Mortelaro

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Read the paper and come back to me

I doubt you've read it tbh,you'd have to be a subscriber or buy it
Regardless, I've already given my thoughts on that up thread

dundalkfc10

Mortelaro wrote: »

I doubt you've read it tbh,you'd have to be a subscriber or buy it
Regardless, I've already given my thoughts on that up thread

I have read it in my father's house this morning

Its a fact we are not doing too good at all

Mortelaro

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

I have read it in my father's house this morning

Its a fact we are not doing too good at all

I'm sure you have

Idbatterim

It's all about choices , they can have tax cuts, then that figure just needs to be found somewhere, like most raising welfare.... maybe they have worked out, after an awful election result during a boom, that bending over backwards for career welfarers and screwing over their core vote is idiocy...

Glad to read the below earlier. The good old greens trying to pull us out from being decades behind europe on the environment...

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/draft-programme-for-government-document-reveals-green-plans-for-spend-on-bus-and-rail-39284582.html

NovemberWren

Idbatterim wrote: »

It's all about choices , they can have tax cuts, then that figure just needs to be found somewhere, like most raising welfare.... maybe they have worked out, after an awful election result during a boom, that bending over backwards for career welfarers and screwing over their core vote is idiocy...

Glad to read the below earlier. The good old greens trying to pull us out from being decades behind europe on the environment...

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/draft-programme-for-government-document-reveals-green-plans-for-spend-on-bus-and-rail-39284582.html

yep. the Greens look a bit odd, yet maybe they are just showing that they are more responsible now than before. Eamonn Ryan looks like he has health problems??? - might this be an actual real reason why Catherine Martin has stepped up now. or maybe not. dunno.

McMurphy

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Sorry Mc, I didn't see it
It's a racist term or word in any context.
Another lad who thought I'm cool, I can use racist terms and people will be cool with that.
Not so, both apologised so both knew it was racist, Hypocrites if they dont.

We will have to agree to disagree on this one, because just like Adams, I don't believe Eamon Ryan has a racist bone in his body, the use of an inappropriate politically incorrect word is stupid, but it doesn't make the person using it a racist.

smurgen

Mortelaro wrote: »

It's not a big if
Any gp or specialist will tell you people aint going
That's not FG's fault
An information campaign saying you're safe to visit gp's and hospitals at a time when theres already one saying stay away from people with it
Give me a break

As for nursing homes,early analysis done adnauseum on that one here
First 30 days into this pandemic when we were learning was to get icu beds,field hospitals etc ready and let them get sparse PPE
Once the virus got into certain nursing homes, it couldn't be got out
Some of the better run of the nursing homes had no virus at all
Run for profit primarily, some others simply could not cope

Again not FG's fault
Oh and please don't peddle international comparisons with countries that dont count the virus or deaths as accurately as us unless it's to show how good we have been doing
Its disingenuous

Listen instead to Dr Navarro of WHO's closing comments at the coronavirus committee the other day
Much praise
He knows what he is talking about a tad more than you or I

Nonsense. We are the 7th worst in Europe and no amount of spin will take this away how? The 7th worse tag includes excess deaths so that neutralises your ridiculous claim that all others are recording wrong. Furthermore we have the youngest population in Europe. For a disease that kills mostly older people we should have done alot better.
FG have blood on their hands and time will show their wrecklessness. It was government policy to allow people in from Italy no amount of whitewashing will cover this up.

https://twitter.com/seandebrun2/status/1257297444980883456?s=19

efanton

Idbatterim wrote: »

It's all about choices , they can have tax cuts, then that figure just needs to be found somewhere, like most raising welfare.... maybe they have worked out, after an awful election result during a boom, that bending over backwards for career welfarers and screwing over their core vote is idiocy...

Glad to read the below earlier. The good old greens trying to pull us out from being decades behind europe on the environment...

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/draft-programme-for-government-document-reveals-green-plans-for-spend-on-bus-and-rail-39284582.html

Surely the problem was not that the didnt look after their core vote, after all a core vote will support a party through thick and thin, but they didn't look after the core services every government is mandated to provide.

No good telling a worker the economy is booming if they dont see that in their wage packet, or that they cant get or afford child care for their children.
No point telling workers the economy is booming if they cant afford their rents or even find a place to rent. No good telling the country we have thrown a few million at the HSE when its patently obvious that either there is a lack of funding or a total lack of management that results in the trolley crisis, and waiting lists getting longer.

The government is there to run the country and to ensure adequate services are available when needed. They are not running the country as a company and although rising GDP or GNP is good to see it is not, and should not be, the only benchmark a government is measured by. That's the mistake FG have consistently made.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

Yes, they are pre-Covid. And we learned a few things through Covid.

A lot of those homeless suddenly found a place to go and live when the alternative was risking getting the virus. It was an eye-opener.

Ditto the way the A&E Departments emptied of chancers, drunks and hypochondriacs.

Even the frontline healthcare staff (who have since done a magnificent job) managed to up their game to clear the backlogs.

Who would have known so much could be achieved in such a short while. Meanwhile, you are stuck repeating the same old broken record.

You learned nothing obviously.
Broken record? With you its spout nonsense, after it being refuted, let some time pass and spout it again. Very dishonest of you.
You still pretend to get rough sleepers and homeless mixed up when it suits. You still ignore covid number 19, in that people are weighing risking their lives with seeking medical attention.
Your comment here is the most ignorant thing I've read outside of the alt right, pro Trump posters on Boards in other threads.

Family homelessness quadrupled in space of six years as crisis in housing spiralled
For the past year, the total number of homeless adults and children in the country has hovered around 10,000, more than three times the figure when the Department of Housing began standardising data collection in 2014.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-39202369.html

People should seek medical care when they need it and not be put off by the coronavirus epidemic, say doctors, charities and the health service.

Anyone who delays seeking treatment is putting their long-term health at risk, as well as their life, they warn.

Half the usual number of people are going to A&E and treatment for heart attacks and strokes is down.

Seeking medical help is one of the four reasons people can safely leave home, government guidance says.

NHS A&E visits dropped by HALF in March because people fear they will catch coronavirus in hospital

The last time we spoke on housing you posted a meaningless link to an article on unemployment figures to try back up your claim a lot of people looking for social housing don't want to work.

It seems you learned absolutely nothing. Covid number 19 is to be used to shill ignorant pro FG policy anecdotes.
So much for 'we're all in this together'. Not to mention FG using Irelands call as a complete PR feel good stunt and passing the few they called back to a private recruitment agency. Nothing from you on that.
Ner a peep about FG councilor O'Leary's nostalgia for fascists, nor your own lad Eamo's 'N' bomb or anything else doesn't suit your spin. Your view seems to be that the Irish public are mere chancers on the make and FG indifference is the right way.

Mortelaro

smurgen wrote: »

Nonsense. We are the 7th worst in Europe and no amount of spin will take this away how? The 7th worse tag includes excess deaths so that neutralises your ridiculous claim that all others are recording wrong. Furthermore we have the youngest population in Europe. For a disease that kills mostly older people we should have done alot better.
FG have blood on their hands and time will show their wrecklessness. It was government policy to allow people in from Italy no amount of whitewashing will cover this up.

https://twitter.com/seandebrun2/status/1257297444980883456?s=19

There ya go again comparing a country with zero in common with Ireland or the rest of Europe in terms of connectivity or land borders and posting Unadulterated rubbish
You're like a climate change denier too clinging to a list all with different counting methods


Go talk to Dr Navarro and do a bit of research on testing numbers per country and the impact on the death per head instead of your FG hate barrel horsesho1te on this one
Or stay in ignorance

Bishop of hope

Mortelaro wrote: »

My GP is based in Gorey co wexford
Vincent's hospital is in Dublin
Both were and are quiet
Its elective procedures that were being postponed during the pandemic
No issues with emergency care once you presented
Indeed about a month ago,my neighbour went to his gp with a lingering head cold on a wenesday afternoon
Literally 5 mins later he was in an ambulance to Vincent's and not let out of an isolation room there until the Saturday morning when his test came back as clear
A month into the pandemic, that's how organised they were getting with symptomatic patients despite hearing of delays in the early days
It's not surprising because there was plenty capacity
The delays especially early on with diagnosis appeared to be where your GP was not sending you to hospital

I know 3 isolating patients who waited well over the 14 day isolation period for their results.
2 had covid, but were better be for confirmation came.
As I said with hospital care, if your area is stuffed in with other counties for hospital places then getting beds is a problem anyway at any time. Gorey wexford going to Vincent's Dublin?
That's not great for non specialist care really is it.
How about ballyleague in Roscommon, just across the bridge and attached to Lanesboro in Longford being dependent on Galway.
Rooskey even further away on Longford/Leitrim border.
Try that Gorey to Vincent's easy fix when the winter flu season kicks in and elective surgeries get going again.
Cavan General, Mullingar, Tullamore, Portlaoise, that's a geographical straight line down the center of Ireland and all are always overwhelmed every year by the amount of patients they have to deal with.
That's mainly because of the closure of other hospitals and day medical services in other counties that now have to travel to these centres for treatment.

NovemberWren

@efanton. on some radio programme in April, I heard that 3,000 !! nursing staff had taken 'leave'; i'm not exactly sure whether to believe this or not and maybe someone will now investigate and relate this.

The hospitals outside of Dublin seemed like empty shells, and with Private Security guards outside, to ensure no-one went in. Yet, Fianna Fail were ramping up the concept of opening up Private Hospitals; - this, whilst the public 'University' hospitals, were not at all full? Gives probably a good indication of the real direction of Fianna Fail policy?

Also, as far as I understand it, there are four times more clerical and admin. staff in the HSE, than there are nursing/doctor staff. So, the imbalance in setting up the HSE was started by Fianna Fail? and this imbalance has been Continued by Fine Gael ? So, what votes are they Both Preciously minding? Unions ?

James Brown

NovemberWren wrote: »

@efanton. on some radio programme in April, I heard that 3,000 !! nursing staff had taken 'leave'; i'm not exactly sure whether to believe this or not and maybe someone will now investigate and relate this.

The hospitals outside of Dublin seemed like empty shells, and with Private Security guards outside, to ensure no-one went in. Yet, Fianna Fail were ramping up the concept of opening up Private Hospitals; - this, whilst the public 'University' hospitals, were not at all full? Gives probably a good indication of the real direction of Fianna Fail policy?

Also, as far as I understand it, there are four times more clerical and admin. staff in the HSE, than there are nursing/doctor staff. So, the imbalance in setting up the HSE was started by Fianna Fail? and this imbalance has been Continued by Fine Gael ? So, what votes are they Both Preciously minding? Unions ?

You'd need post some links.
I just recall the furor over nurses allegedly taking too many holidays and being paid too much, it being disputed, then them being the salt of the earth and now it seems their time in the sun is over? We did have HSE workers with the blessing of their unions volunteering in private hospitals.
We did learn nothing for Covid number 19 it seems. If we return to business as usual we have failed ourselves.

Jinglejangle69

If FG give into the greens ridiculous demands for carbon tax increases and penalties they can fook off.

Loony greens making demands for their crazy pie in the sky beliefs and massive egos.

Already hating this new formation.

Bishop of hope

Bowie wrote: »

You'd need post some links.
I just recall the furor over nurses allegedly taking too many holidays and being paid too much, it being disputed, then them being the salt of the earth and now it seems their time in the sun is over? We did have HSE workers with the blessing of their unions volunteering in private hospitals.
We did learn nothing for Covid number 19 it seems. If we return to business as usual we have failed ourselves.

Oops, a Simon moment there?

smurgen

Mortelaro wrote: »

There ya go again comparing a country with zero in common with Ireland or the rest of Europe in terms of connectivity or land borders and posting Unadulterated rubbish
You're like a climate change denier too clinging to a list all with different counting methods


Go talk to Dr Navarro and do a bit of research on testing numbers per country and the impact on the death per head instead of your FG hate barrel horsesho1te on this one
Or stay in ignorance

The FG shills compare us to six worst in Europe because it's convenient.they forgot to mention these are also the worst in the world for Covid along with the U.S and Brazil.Just because we're better than them doesn't mean we're successful. A low bar. Tell me about Portugal also? Far far better than Ireland in all metrics and a much worse situation to defend against Covid. FG have blood on their hands and nothing will detract from that. Simon Harris aka has many questions to answer. Dope ranting on about Covid 18 and peddling a narrative about it was like a brain fart you'd hear from trump.

JohnnyFlash

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

If FG give into the greens ridiculous demands for carbon tax increases and penalties they can fook off.

Loony greens making demands for their crazy pie in the sky beliefs and massive egos.

Already hating this new formation.

Twill be short and difficult, JJ.



:cool:

Leonard Hofstadter

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

If FG give into the greens ridiculous demands for carbon tax increases and penalties they can fook off.

Loony greens making demands for their crazy pie in the sky beliefs and massive egos.

Already hating this new formation.

Same. I hate it with every fibre of my being. I've voted FG always no matter what, I've defended them no matter what, but I have my own principles and beliefs, I'm not a mug but I feel as though FG leadership has treated me and the other 440,000 people who voted for them in February as one.

If we didn't have the Green nonsense it might be a half decent Government, but it won't be. I'm still hoping against hope the Green membership will reject it, or failing that, FF or FG will do the decent thing before the rest of the country eradicates these parties from Irish political life.

FG have managed to upset a LOT of their voters today.

ricero

Sinm Fein will be licking their lips at these plans and hopeful for this government formation.

They will lead a majority within the decade.

FrancieBrady

ricero wrote: »

Sinm Fein will be licking their lips at these plans and hopeful for this government formation.

They will lead a majority within the decade.

Still think there'll be a spanner in the works. Meeting not concluding tonight, back in the morning for more.

Serious problems or playing for the cameras?

piplip87

Agreed. There's plenty within FF that don't want this. Plenty within FG too. I'd say the Vegan PBP faction within the greens will be the one that will put the spanner in the works.

Bishop of hope

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Still think there'll be a spanner in the works. Meeting not concluding tonight, back in the morning for more.

Serious problems or playing for the cameras?

Just looking at them all this evening on the news, the body language is bad.
FF and FG up **** creek, every fibre of their bodies must despise having to work with the other.
And even then they have to pander to the greens!
Coveney looking out of his car looked like he couldn't give a fcuk if it went ahead or not.
Ryan arrived pushing his bike, MM looked like a little desperate to complete his destiny.
Bad body language.

smurgen

The Spin unit breaking the lockdown rules. They're not all that different to Borris, Cummings and Co. Is spin an essential service?

https://twitter.com/caulmick/status/1271775017819389953?s=19

Hubertj

ricero wrote: »

Sinm Fein will be licking their lips at these plans and hopeful for this government formation.

They will lead a majority within the decade.

There are too many civilised people in this country for the likes of SF to have a majority.

Hubertj

smurgen wrote: »

The Spin unit breaking the lockdown rules. They're not all that different to Borris, Cummings and Co. Is spin an essential service?

https://twitter.com/caulmick/status/1271775017819389953?s=19

What about the SF TD that broke the travel limit to attend a funeral?