FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

satguy

Micheál Martin receiving 'strong messages of support' for programme for government..

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0616/1147646-programme-for-govt-endorsed/

FG are about to bend FF over,,, and RTE just want to see what MM's climax face looks like,,, just for fun... GP are the lube..

JohnnyFlash

satguy wrote: »

Micheál Martin receiving 'strong messages of support' for programme for government..

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0616/1147646-programme-for-govt-endorsed/

FG are about to bend FF over,,, and RTE just want to see what MM's climax face looks like,,, just for fun... GP are the lube..

Very homoerotic undertones to that post, dude.

satguy

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Very homoerotic undertones to that post, dude.

..LOL

Its one way to ensure that MM will be a stand up Taoiseach ...

feargale

satguy wrote: »

Micheál Martin receiving 'strong messages of support' for programme for government..

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0616/1147646-programme-for-govt-endorsed/

FG are about to bend FF over,,, and RTE just want to see what MM's climax face looks like,,, just for fun... GP are the lube..

1. What party do you support?

2. What's your solution?

smurgen

What a chain of events. Responsible party lol.
I can't wait to see what the next year or so is going to bring. Boards is going to be highly entertaining.


https://twitter.com/FineGael/status/1224831552846123008?s=09

Bishop of hope

smurgen wrote: »

What a chain of events. Responsible party lol.
I can't wait to see what the next year or so is going to bring. Boards is going to be highly entertaining.


https://twitter.com/FineGael/status/1224831552846123008?s=09

You have to swallow a lot of your words in politics!
How, would any party coalesce without that.
Like any mixture of FF, FG, or SF.
SF whinging because they're not ncluded?

satguy

Enda was a great FG Taoiseach,, he stayed out of the way,, " The invisible Taoiseach ".

But Leo, he just loves the limelight,, I really can't him staying out of the way, while MM is having his go at being Taoiseach.

But it will be fun to watch..

smurgen

Bishop of hope wrote: »

You have to swallow a lot of your words in politics!
How, would any party coalesce without that.
Like any mixture of FF, FG, or SF.
SF whinging because they're not ncluded?

Nope not swallowing words at all. It's two faced moves like this that erodes public confidence in politics as a whole.then those that utter them wonder why people protest and revolt against them. People won't forget what happened. Words have meaning.

Jinglejangle69

smurgen wrote: »

What a chain of events. Responsible party lol.
I can't wait to see what the next year or so is going to bring. Boards is going to be highly entertaining.


https://twitter.com/FineGael/status/1224831552846123008?s=09

Mary Lou:

FF or FG back in government would be a disaster.

Mary Lou:

How dare FF and FG not talk to SF about forming a government.

Hmmmmm.

Bishop of hope

smurgen wrote: »

Nope not swallowing words at all. It's two faced moves like this that erodes public confidence in politics as a whole.then those that utter them wonder why people protest and revolt against them. People won't forget what happened. Words have meaning.

OK, I applaud your resolve.
Good luck getting government formed.

Leonard Hofstadter

We get the same old guff every few days here. Talk about stuck records like!

RandomViewer

satguy wrote: »

Because the small time builders, accidental landlords, small farmers and part time publicans, that are the traditional FF voters,, have nothing in common with FG voters.

FF should hang their heads in shame,, on what they are about to do,, I really think it will hurt them more than they can ever know..

FG are the wide boys,, EX solicitors, accounts and newspaper business editors,, maybe the odd Doctor,, and will eat FF alive..

You are forgetting no alpha males in FG, will run when threatened with a slap, Richard Bruton is the FG version of a macho politician

dundalkfc10

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Mary Lou:

FF or FG back in government would be a disaster.

Mary Lou:

How dare FF and FG not talk to SF about forming a government.

Hmmmmm.

Leo, "Letting FF back into Govt would be like letting John Delaney back in the FAI"

Martin, "My party will not form a “grand coalition” with Fine Gael after the general election. “That’s our position,” he said."

dundalkfc10

The average Rent in Dublin at the end of 2019 was 2,044 a month.

If you work 5 days a week for a month 8 hours a day minimum wage you earn 1616.

Where are you suppose to find the extra money?

That is one legacy the Govt have left, Young people have nowhere to turn apart from the airport.

blanch152

smurgen wrote: »

Nope not swallowing words at all. It's two faced moves like this that erodes public confidence in politics as a whole.then those that utter them wonder why people protest and revolt against them. People won't forget what happened. Words have meaning.

Not at all, this only shows your lack of understanding of politics.

Fine Gael were faced with three poor choices after the election.

(1) The best choice they had was to go into opposition. This would allow the party to rebuild, to regroup and to re-energise. This was the preferred choice for those reasons and why it was signalled so quickly after the election. However, it became apparent over about a fortnight that the party who proclaimed victory on election night - Sinn Fein - had no real interest or appetite in forming a government, to the extent that four months later they never had any serious discussion with any party about a programme for government. At the same time, the need for real leadership in the country became apparent as the implications of Covid-19 took hold. So, after that first fortnight, Fine Gael had to consider whether to change tack in the national interest in light of the inability of other parties to step up to the plate.

(2) The second choice was to do a deal with Sinn Fein. Fine Gael correctly never explored this choice because of what Sinn Fein are, a party of terrorist supporters without even the first clue about economic management, and a real threat to democracy with their support for good republicans. This one went nowhere for those obvious reasons.

(3) The third choice was to do a deal with Fianna Fail and someone else. I am sure this was distasteful to many in Fine Gael, but to be fair to them, they stepped up to the plate. I for one am delighted that they did, as the Greens now have a chance to be in government with a sensible partner.

That is the narrative, that is how it happened, that is why Varadkar has an approval rating of 75% and why Fine Gael are on 37% in the polls. They are doing what the electorate want. Similarly, the Greens are also up 4%. I hope that you are right that people won't forget what happened. Given the figures, an FG/Green coalition, with a stronger Green presence would be a real possibility after the next election.

As for those who protest and revolt, isn't that what they always do and isn't that just about the only thing that they are any use at?

blanch152

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

The average Rent in Dublin at the end of 2019 was 2,044 a month.

If you work 5 days a week for a month 8 hours a day minimum wage you earn 1616.

Where are you suppose to find the extra money?

That is one legacy the Govt have left, Young people have nowhere to turn apart from the airport.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/pme/populationandmigrationestimatesapril2019/

Over the period 2013 to 2019, the number of emigrants in the 15-24 age group declined from 23,900 to 17,600. Among the 25-44 age group, it declined from 37,100 to 26,800. Some of these were Irish nationals, others were non-Irish re-emigrating (e.g. this would always include long-stay international students returning home for example).

Among Irish nationals, it declined from 48,300 to 29,000.

Once again, the facts are at complete variance to the arguments advanced by a Sinn Fein-supporting poster.

efanton

blanch152 wrote: »

As for those who protest and revolt, isn't that what they always do and isn't that just about the only thing that they are any use at?

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/youth-wing-of-fine-gael-says-it-will-vote-against-government-deal-1005746.html

I wonder what percentage Young Fine Gael have within the Fine Gael members vote for the coalition.

do you wish to withdraw your above statement?

Its patently obvious that the result of the election was that many people are revolting against FF/FG for the first time in decades.

when you have an entire wing of the FG organisation, and a large proportion of the FF councillors in outright rebellion it going to be be very hard for anyone to claim that this coalition is what the people wanted.

dundalkfc10

efanton wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/youth-wing-of-fine-gael-says-it-will-vote-against-government-deal-1005746.html

I wonder what percentage Young Fine Gael have within the Fine Gael members vote for the coalition.

do you wish to withdraw your above statement?

Its patently obvious that the result of the election was that many people are revolting against FF/FG for the first time in decades.

when you have an entire wing of the FG organisation, and a large proportion of the FF councillors in outright rebellion it going to be be very hard for anyone to claim that this coalition is what the people wanted.

Young Fine Gael must be Sinn Fein supporters because it seems anyone who is against this must be a SF supporter.

dundalkfc10

blanch152 wrote: »

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/pme/populationandmigrationestimatesapril2019/

Over the period 2013 to 2019, the number of emigrants in the 15-24 age group declined from 23,900 to 17,600. Among the 25-44 age group, it declined from 37,100 to 26,800. Some of these were Irish nationals, others were non-Irish re-emigrating (e.g. this would always include long-stay international students returning home for example).

Among Irish nationals, it declined from 48,300 to 29,000.

Once again, the facts are at complete variance to the arguments advanced by a Sinn Fein-supporting poster.

So 17,600 people under the age of 24 (many were forced to leave Ireland as had no option) is an acceptable figure.

Podge_irl

Ireland will always have a degree of emigration by nature of being in Europe with a number of much larger economies with greater opportunities surrounding it. Membership of the EU makes it that much easier. the fact the number is down is a positive but it will never be zero. What would you consider a healthy number?

Mortelaro

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

So 17,600 people under the age of 24 (many were forced to leave Ireland as had no option) is an acceptable figure.

The amount of people forced to leave Ireland from 2013 to 2019 would have been tiny
Our population grew and numbers in employment got to record levels
Those leaving would be in that period akin to average, many for new experiences

dundalkfc10

Podge_irl wrote: »

Ireland will always have a degree of emigration by nature of being in Europe with a number of much larger economies with greater opportunities surrounding it. Membership of the EU makes it that much easier. the fact the number is down is a positive but it will never be zero. What would you consider a healthy number?

Well when every 3rd or 4th young person you know has left or plans to go if this bunch of chancers get the deal over the line, tells me something is wrong

Podge_irl

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Well when every 3rd or 4th young person you know has left or plans to go if this bunch of chancers get the deal over the line, tells me something is wrong

26,900 Irish people came home in the latest year's figures versus 29,000 leaving. Every 3rd or 4th young person is not leaving. Also, considering the numbers that leave to go to London, rental prices and housing is not what is driving them there.

Ireland will always have some emigration. It is the inevitability of a small country.

blanch152

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

So 17,600 people under the age of 24 (many were forced to leave Ireland as had no option) is an acceptable figure.

It seems to me that the 17,600 people under the age of 24 include:

(1) International students returning home having completed their studies in Ireland
(2) Irish students moving abroad to study Masters and PhD courses.
(3) Young Irish people going abroad for a gap year or two
(4) Young Irish people going to work abroad for a year or two for the experience

Now, you tell me do you find that acceptable. Also tell me what you find acceptable.

If the 17,600 are made up of those types of people, what is wrong with that?

blanch152

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Well when every 3rd or 4th young person you know has left or plans to go if this bunch of chancers get the deal over the line, tells me something is wrong

Person in dundalk talking to his friends versus official CSO statistics that tell a very different story.

Personally, I would believe the CSO stats over you any day.

dundalkfc10

blanch152 wrote: »

Person in dundalk talking to his friends versus official CSO statistics that tell a very different story.

Personally, I would believe the CSO stats over you any day.

So we now going on CSO stats.

The Homeless numbers are above 10,000 so

Brendan Bendar

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Well when every 3rd or 4th young person you know has left or plans to go if this bunch of chancers get the deal over the line, tells me something is wrong

Maybe one should examine how non nationals with limited language skills manage to find jobs and do well.

Maybe these coins who strut around doing fuhherke all might start to think that they should do something for theirselves.

Tickling their nuts on street corners all day ain’t gonna advance their careers.

But of course when you have churns backing them up instead of telling them to go and shift their arses, you encourage them.

Idiots.

blanch152

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

So we now going on CSO stats.

The Homeless numbers are above 10,000 so

https://www.housing.gov.ie/housing/homelessness/other/homelessness-data


"Official homelessness data is produced by local authorities through the Pathway Accommodation & Support System (PASS). PASS was rolled-out nationally during the course of 2013"

When did the CSO take over?

dundalkfc10

blanch152 wrote: »

https://www.housing.gov.ie/housing/homelessness/other/homelessness-data


"Official homelessness data is produced by local authorities through the Pathway Accommodation & Support System (PASS). PASS was rolled-out nationally during the course of 2013"

When did the CSO take over?

Have a look on the CSO site, Homeless figures are there.

Your on another thread, saying people said things and when they ask you when they said it, you dont know :cool:

Away and annoy someone else

smurgen

blanch152 wrote: »

Not at all, this only shows your lack of understanding of politics.

Fine Gael were faced with three poor choices after the election.

(1) The best choice they had was to go into opposition. This would allow the party to rebuild, to regroup and to re-energise. This was the preferred choice for those reasons and why it was signalled so quickly after the election. However, it became apparent over about a fortnight that the party who proclaimed victory on election night - Sinn Fein - had no real interest or appetite in forming a government, to the extent that four months later they never had any serious discussion with any party about a programme for government. At the same time, the need for real leadership in the country became apparent as the implications of Covid-19 took hold. So, after that first fortnight, Fine Gael had to consider whether to change tack in the national interest in light of the inability of other parties to step up to the plate.

(2) The second choice was to do a deal with Sinn Fein. Fine Gael correctly never explored this choice because of what Sinn Fein are, a party of terrorist supporters without even the first clue about economic management, and a real threat to democracy with their support for good republicans. This one went nowhere for those obvious reasons.

(3) The third choice was to do a deal with Fianna Fail and someone else. I am sure this was distasteful to many in Fine Gael, but to be fair to them, they stepped up to the plate. I for one am delighted that they did, as the Greens now have a chance to be in government with a sensible partner.

That is the narrative, that is how it happened, that is why Varadkar has an approval rating of 75% and why Fine Gael are on 37% in the polls. They are doing what the electorate want. Similarly, the Greens are also up 4%. I hope that you are right that people won't forget what happened. Given the figures, an FG/Green coalition, with a stronger Green presence would be a real possibility after the next election.

As for those who protest and revolt, isn't that what they always do and isn't that just about the only thing that they are any use at?

To conclude you're happy that Leo chose Michael Martin to be Taoiseach and this is the least worst option? Someone he compared to John Delaney a few months back?
Was Varadkas approval rating taken before or after the details of PFG came out?