FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

blanch152

Mortelaro wrote: »

Well by your standards,which is all Blanch is sarcastically using,she lied right there because she didn't bother negotiating with the majority of the Dáil who aren't FF or FG

I'd be kinder though and say,she too cannot lie about the future

You are correct, she lied about her government formation intentions. She never spoke seriously to any party, having promised to do so.

Mortelaro

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Chemo Wards Closed

Schools Closed

Pubs Open. Monday week ya boy ya

Thats how FG are handling the crisis currently

You should be on primetime and virgin media every night with your lines
The Sinn féin vote would moon rocket...
Presenters would be congratulating you non stop on all your facts and skills on how things are done...

dundalkfc10

blanch152 wrote: »

You are correct, she lied about her government formation intentions. She never spoke seriously to any party, having promised to do so.

How do you know who she spoke too or what they spoke about?

Another made up fantasy. Hows them apples?

Mortelaro

blanch152 wrote: »

You are correct, she lied about her government formation intentions. She never spoke seriously to any party, having promised to do so.

Well be fair now Blanch
Noone can lie about the future
Just like swaps are only swaps if they're consensual

blanch152

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

How do you know who she spoke too or what they spoke about?

Another made up fantasy. Hows them apples?

PBP wrote to her complaining she hadn't contacted them.

Apples are better than the lemons you are sucking.

blanch152

Mortelaro wrote: »

Well be fair now Blanch
Noone can lie about the future
Just like swaps are only swaps if they're consensual

I know that, you know that, but that isn't the standard applied around here.

Take some politician's statement, twist it to mean what you want it to say, Eureka, they are a liar. That's how it goes.

There is one exception - Sinn Fein politicians - they get a free pass, even when they are proven liars. Gerry Adams tells one story to Spotlight, another story to a court, and it is all ok, because he was never convicted or perjury, but he is still the only proven liar among politicians.

dundalkfc10

blanch152 wrote: »

PBP wrote to her complaining she hadn't contacted them.

Apples are better than the lemons you are sucking.

So you dont know who she spoke too or talked too, only 1 party said they never spoke to her. Fair enough

dundalkfc10

Mortelaro wrote: »

You should be on primetime and virgin media every night with your lines
The Sinn féin vote would moon rocket...
Presenters would be congratulating you non stop on all your facts and skills on how things are done...

I wouldnt be a politician. Couldnt be in the same room as liars who feel they are doing a great job (stats regarding housing, homeless tell a diff story)

Poor_old_gill

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Chemo Wards Closed

Schools Closed

Pubs Open. Monday week ya boy ya

Thats how FG are handling the crisis currently

Your posts are so filled with hyperbolic nonsense & lies that it is genuinely becoming worrying.

Chemo wards were not closed.
Schools issue is that they have been left closed so as to facilitate the new school year starting properly rather than having 2 messed up years- the hope is to have 1.

Pubs are opening in line with the recommendations and also inline with other countries.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Here is a much different quote from her, just after the election too:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/mary-lou-mcdonald-the-idea-of-fianna-fail-and-fine-gael-being-returned-again-for-five-years-is-unthinkable-982194.html

"The idea of Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael being returned again for five years is unthinkable,” she said"

Yet, now, she complains that they won't talk to her.

FF/FG in coalition is a nightmare scenario for many people...a lot of your fellow Greens, north and south too, it seems.

It is not, sadly for you, saying, she would not talk to either of them as single parties.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

PBP wrote to her complaining she hadn't contacted them.

Apples are better than the lemons you are sucking.

And the lie again.

Where in this letter is there a 'complaint she hadn't contacted them'?

https://www.pbp.ie/open-letter-to-sinn-fein/

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And the lie again.

Where in this letter is there a 'complaint she hadn't contacted them'?

https://www.pbp.ie/open-letter-to-sinn-fein/

blanch152 wrote: »

You are correct, she lied about her government formation intentions. She never spoke seriously to any party, having promised to do so.

Thank you Francie, for providing the evidence that backs up my earlier statement.

The letter from PBP states:

"Prior to the outbreak of Covid-19 in Ireland, we had reached quite an advanced stage in our efforts with you and other left independents to develop such a programme, and while a pause in those discussions was inevitable in the context of the health emergency, we believe we should now resume those efforts with a view to finalising that programme and presenting it to the public."

So, what that letter confirms, is that since the outbreak of Covid-19, Sinn Fein have not been talking to any party - a period of two months at the time of writing - which backs up my statement that she never talked seriously to any party, abandoning the talks at the first excuse.

It is not like they were working to save people's lives or anything like that.

We can leave it there, now that we have proven one aspect of Mary-Lou's lies.

Let's remember where this started. You and others started throwing around accusations of Micheal Martin being a liar. Now, I don't have much time for the man, but the standards you were using were so low that it is clear that every politician would be a liar. Now, having proven Mary-Lou to be a liar in accordance with your pedantic standards, maybe you would rethink your approach.

dundalkfc10

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Your posts are so filled with hyperbolic nonsense & lies that it is genuinely becoming worrying.

Chemo wards were not closed.
Schools issue is that they have been left closed so as to facilitate the new school year starting properly rather than having 2 messed up years- the hope is to have 1.

Pubs are opening in line with the recommendations and also inline with other countries.

Meant to say Cancer Screenings my apologies.

Schools should be back open now and before now (like they have been all over Europe)

We can all go pub in 2 weeks, get pissed with our mates and come home to our kids, but dont you dare send them to school

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Thank you Francie, for providing the evidence that backs up my earlier statement.

The letter from PBP states:

"Prior to the outbreak of Covid-19 in Ireland, we had reached quite an advanced stage in our efforts with you and other left independents to develop such a programme, and while a pause in those discussions was inevitable in the context of the health emergency, we believe we should now resume those efforts with a view to finalising that programme and presenting it to the public."

So, what that letter confirms, is that since the outbreak of Covid-19, Sinn Fein have not been talking to any party - a period of two months at the time of writing - which backs up my statement that she never talked seriously to any party, abandoning the talks at the first excuse.


It is not like they were working to save people's lives or anything like that.

We can leave it there, now that we have proven one aspect of Mary-Lou's lies.

Let's remember where this started. You and others started throwing around accusations of Micheal Martin being a liar. Now, I don't have much time for the man, but the standards you were using were so low that it is clear that every politician would be a liar. Now, having proven Mary-Lou to be a liar in accordance with your pedantic standards, maybe you would rethink your approach.

You would love it if it was left there.
Loads of waffle but no back up for another of your lies.

PBP wrote to her complaining she hadn't contacted them.

An out and out lie.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You would love it if it was left there.
Loads of waffle but no back up for another of your lies.



An out and out lie.

Let's agree that Mary-Lou is a liar first, as you are not challenging that conclusion, and then we can discuss whether or not I am one too.

If it took some subterfuge to get the evidence to show that Mary-Lou is a liar, I can live with your label.

dundalkfc10

blanch152 wrote: »

Let's agree that Mary-Lou is a liar first, as you are not challenging that conclusion, and then we can discuss whether or not I am one too.

If it took some subterfuge to get the evidence to show that Mary-Lou is a liar, I can live with your label.

This sums up SF recently

"Night seems darkest just before the dawn, Through dissention Ireland is reborn"

RandomViewer

Nursing home infection numbers released,
Not good

dundalkfc10

RandomViewer wrote: »

Nursing home infection numbers released,
Not good

ah sure thats not FGs problem. Nothing to see here. Sweep Sweep

RandomViewer

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

ah sure thats not FGs problem. Nothing to see here. Sweep Sweep

Compared to the wider community the figures are extremely high, Varadker promised the old and frail would be protected which didn't happen.
Heads need to roll over this and I think Harris' should be the first

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Let's agree that Mary-Lou is a liar first, as you are not challenging that conclusion, and then we can discuss whether or not I am one too.

If it took some subterfuge to get the evidence to show that Mary-Lou is a liar, I can live with your label.

You have accused her of being a liar about who she would go into government with.
That has been shown to have been a lie.

You have said that PBP 'complained that she hadn't contacted them'...also shown to be a lie.

I don't know if MLMD is a liar or not, but you have not shown that she is.

I have shown twice on this occasion alone, that you have lied.

celt262

Fair play to you Francie I dont think there is another man in the country who carries out his political duties from morning to night as good as you.

efanton

blanch152 wrote: »

Thank you Francie, for providing the evidence that backs up my earlier statement.

The letter from PBP states:

"Prior to the outbreak of Covid-19 in Ireland, we had reached quite an advanced stage in our efforts with you and other left independents to develop such a programme, and while a pause in those discussions was inevitable in the context of the health emergency, we believe we should now resume those efforts with a view to finalising that programme and presenting it to the public."

So, what that letter confirms, is that since the outbreak of Covid-19, Sinn Fein have not been talking to any party - a period of two months at the time of writing - which backs up my statement that she never talked seriously to any party, abandoning the talks at the first excuse.

It is not like they were working to save people's lives or anything like that.

We can leave it there, now that we have proven one aspect of Mary-Lou's lies.

Let's remember where this started. You and others started throwing around accusations of Micheal Martin being a liar. Now, I don't have much time for the man, but the standards you were using were so low that it is clear that every politician would be a liar. Now, having proven Mary-Lou to be a liar in accordance with your pedantic standards, maybe you would rethink your approach.

Blanch are you out of your mind?
There's been plenty of weak arguments thrown about but that has to qualify as one of the weakest.
Date of election 8th February
Date of first covid case in Ireland 29th February, 3 WEEKS LATER

You claim that SF did not contact PBP but then clearly state, and prove, that they did have discussions about forming a government.

Has it occurred to you that SF having contacted all possible coalition partners, and Labour clearly stating that they were not going to enter any collation with any party that the numbers simply were not the to reach the 80 seats required to form a government.

Seat won in the Dail
SF 37
Lab 6
SOL-PBP 6
Green 12
SD 6
AON 1
Joan Collns 1
IND 19

TOTAL 88 SEATS

So without LABOUR agreeing how was it at all possible to form a government that did not include FF or FG?
Even if LAB had agreed they would still have to persuade every party other than FF or FG and 11 of the Independents to form a government. Getting that many Independents on board would have been a challenge at the best of times.

The only possible governments that could be formed other than the remotely possible one outlined above were a FG/FF government, a SF/FF government, or a very unlikely SF/FG government

It seems you might think yourself capable of manipulating simple words, but obviously totally incapable of simple arithmetic.

If the party members votes on the proposed FF/FG/Green coalition fails the the only viable alternative would be a SF/FF government or a new election

James Brown

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

It's a huge achievement for the country, Brendan. I'd agree that it doesn't mean much to the lads who think about the parish pump, the next Wolfe Tones gig, and the price of diesel.



But on an international stage this is a big deal. Well done to our civil service (I know you might not agree with that one).

Do you see the Irony of yourself and Bren? You posted some positive good news, (which I thanked). And before anyone could say anything both of you jumped in to make a negative out of a positive inferring anyone who isn't a FG supporter would make a disinterested negative of it. Sad that youse can't even smell the flowers for five minutes without laying on the manure, (apologises if that's one of yours Brendan).

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

You are mistaken.

The theme of the next election will be who is ready to go into government and step up to the plate. Only three parties have shown the necessary appetite. The others have stood around whistling in the wind.

The theme will be austerity, a quango, Siteserv conclusion giving us 'recommendations', the aftermath of Covid number 19 and it being used by FF/FG to look after their own. For as we know while it's difficult decisions affecting the tax payer, it's business as usual for the boys.

blanch152 wrote: »

The homeless numbers are down for the last three months in a row.

Link?

Here's mine for May of this year:

Family homelessness quadrupled in space of six years as crisis in housing spiralled
For the past year, the total number of homeless adults and children in the country has hovered around 10,000, more than three times the figure when the Department of Housing began standardising data collection in 2014.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/family-homelessness-quadrupled-in-space-of-six-years-as-crisis-in-housing-spiralled-39202369.html

And because of Covid number 19, we've seen a stay:

“We know that there are many individuals and families who were on the brink of homelessness who have been supported to remain in their home due to the moratorium on evictions for the duration of the crisis. Once the health crisis eases, we need to ensure that there are preventative supports in place to help these families and individuals stay out of homeless emergency accommodation.”

Similarly, Focus Ireland chief executive Pat Dennigan said the fall in the number had been “widely predicted” not just because of the anti-eviction measures but also the number of Airbnb lettings coming back onto the rental market.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/number-of-homeless-people-drops-below-10-000-amid-covid-19-measures-1.4242217

Can you cut the codology using the fallout of Covid number 19, where people died by the way, to support FG? I expect that's another theme we'll get from FG apologists alright.

Bishop of hope

Bowie wrote: »

The theme will be austerity, a quango, Siteserv conclusion giving us 'recommendations', the aftermath of Covid number 19 and it being used by FF/FG to look after their own. For as we know while it's difficult decision effecting the tax payer, it's business as usual for the boys.



Link?

Here's mine for May of this year:



And because of Covid number 19, we've seen a stay:



Can you cut the codology using Covid number 19 to support FG? I expect that's another theme we'll get from FG apologists alright.

I don't think it's covid number 19 you know!

Idbatterim

Those of you here in FG head office. Much to say on the zero extra prison spaces to lock up scum you provided ? Didnt so , too busy trying to bloat the welfare budget more... than pay for more prison spaces to lock up dangerous scum...

blanch152

Bowie wrote: »

The theme will be austerity, a quango, Siteserv conclusion giving us 'recommendations', the aftermath of Covid number 19 and it being used by FF/FG to look after their own. For as we know while it's difficult decisions affecting the tax payer, it's business as usual for the boys.



Link?

Here's mine for May of this year:



And because of Covid number 19, we've seen a stay:



Can you cut the codology using the fallout of Covid number 19, where people died by the way, to support FG? I expect that's another theme we'll get from FG apologists alright.

Could you cut the codology of using statements from the poverty industry who have a vested interest in ensuring the country is miserable?

You claim to be against vested interests, yet you use them as much as you possibly can.

thomasdylan

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Meant to say Cancer Screenings my apologies.

I hate it when I say 'Chemo ward closed' but meant to say that some cancer screenings were suspended.

It makes me look like I don't really know what I'm taking about.

Poor_old_gill

Idbatterim wrote: »

Those of you here in FG head office. Much to say on the zero extra prison spaces to lock up scum you provided ? Didnt so , too busy trying to bloat the welfare budget more... than pay for more prison spaces to lock up dangerous scum...

FG are often called right wing/fascist by some on here and you are accusing them of the complete opposite?

This pointless vitriol that keeps being lobbed about with regard to the government is f*ckin painful.

So you are sick of FG's left wing policies, is that what you are saying?

Poor_old_gill

thomasdylan wrote: »

I hate it when I say 'Chemo ward closed' but meant to say that some cancer screenings were suspended.

It makes me look like I don't really know what I'm taking about.

Or that I'm trying to whip people into a frenzy of anger and hoping that noone calls me out on it.

Baiting at it's finest