FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

Bishop of hope

FrancieBrady wrote: »

SF were accepting their mandate.

FG aided them in getting a mandate back.

Own it.

You're right of course Francie, FG and the Greens are their partners and returned them to power.
9 years and the largest party seat wise, they have a mandate because the public voted for them
Sickening really for every party and indicative of how poorly the public have viewed particularly FGs govt performance.
That's the truth of the situation and right now in 3rd place percentage wise in the last election I feel its probably FG that have the most to prove in the current Dail.

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

SF were accepting their mandate.

FG aided them in getting a mandate back.

Own it.

What?

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

What?

It isn't SF's fault they have a mandate.

Instead of casting them adrift after they wrecked the country as the electorate did, FG continually tried to rescue them, because FG need FF and vice versa.
They offered coalition before and then entered C&S with them.

They effectively allowed them rebuild. Own it.

Jinglejangle69

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It isn't SF's fault they have a mandate.

Instead of casting them adrift after they wrecked the country as the electorate did, FG continually tried to rescue them, because FG need FF and vice versa.
They offered coalition before and then entered C&S with them.

They effectively allowed them rebuild. Own it.

SF had the numbers to form a left wing government but ran away.

RBB even called them out to try form a government.

SF aided Fianna Fails rehabilitation.

Own it.

RandomViewer

Spare a thought for poor old Dinny, bailiffs are kicking the door and he has to wait for the scraps after Meholes cronies get all the gravy,

Loafing Oaf

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

SF had the numbers to form a left wing government .

No they didn't

Loafing Oaf

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

No they didn't

Yes, they did. If they really wanted.

RandomViewer

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, they did. If they really wanted.

How? PBP will never sit in government, Labour and Social Democrats are handwringers who will only go in with FG. SF/FF are the closest ideology wise

Loafing Oaf

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, they did. If they really wanted.

Okay there's 68 TDs respresenting left/progressive parties, which means you'd need 12 independents for a bare majority, and at least 14/15 for a workable one. How many of these could you say with any confidence would support a SF-led left-wing government?
Cathal Berry
Seán Canney Galway East
Michael Collins Cork South-West
Catherine Connolly Galway West
Michael Fitzmaurice Roscommon–Galway
Peter Fitzpatrick Louth
Noel Grealish Galway West
Marian Harkin Sligo–Leitrim
Danny Healy-Rae Kerry
Michael Healy-Rae Kerry
Michael Lowry Tipperary
Mattie McGrath Tipperary
Michael McNamara Clare
Verona Murphy Wexford
Denis Naughten Roscommon–Galway
Carol Nolan Laois–Offaly
Richard O'Donoghue[a] Limerick County
Thomas Pringle Donegal
Matt Shanahan[a] Waterford

namloc1980

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, they did. If they really wanted.

With what numbers?

Jinglejangle69

RandomViewer wrote: »

How? PBP will never sit in government, Labour and Social Democrats are handwringers who will only go in with FG. SF/FF are the closest ideology wise

So the numbers were there.

But SF couldn't convince other parties to go in with them.

That's politics.

Thanks for clearing that up.

JohnnyFlash

RandomViewer wrote: »

Spare a thought for poor old Dinny, bailiffs are kicking the door and he has to wait for the scraps after Meholes cronies get all the gravy,

What?

Jinglejangle69

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Okay there's 68 TDs respresenting left/progressive parties, which means you'd need 12 independents for a bare majority, and at least 14/15 for a workable one. How many of these could you say with any confidence would support a SF-led left-wing government?
Cathal Berry
Seán Canney Galway East
Michael Collins Cork South-West
Catherine Connolly Galway West
Michael Fitzmaurice Roscommon–Galway
Peter Fitzpatrick Louth
Noel Grealish Galway West
Marian Harkin Sligo–Leitrim
Danny Healy-Rae Kerry
Michael Healy-Rae Kerry
Michael Lowry Tipperary
Mattie McGrath Tipperary
Michael McNamara Clare
Verona Murphy Wexford
Denis Naughten Roscommon–Galway
Carol Nolan Laois–Offaly
Richard O'Donoghue[a] Limerick County
Thomas Pringle Donegal
Matt Shanahan[a] Waterford

So what's the difference to these not wanting to go into government with SF when FG say the same?

So which party wanted to go into power with SF??

And who's fault is that????

Loafing Oaf

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

So what's the difference to these not wanting to go into government with SF when FG say the same?

So which party wanted to go into power with SF??

And who's fault is that????

My point is even if they could have got all of the left-wing 'parties' on board, they would still have needed at a bare minimum 12 of the independents, including at least a few FF/FG gene poolers like Mattie McGrath and Peter Fitzpatrick.

James Brown

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

So what's the difference to these not wanting to go into government with SF when FG say the same?

So which party wanted to go into power with SF??

And who's fault is that????

The claim was SF could have formed a government if they wanted.
Now you are stating they couldn't but it's their own fault.

RandomViewer

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

So the numbers were there.

But SF couldn't convince other parties to go in with them.

That's politics.

Thanks for clearing that up.

PBP will never sit in government, if they got 99 seats tomorrow they'd still refuse,

FrancieBrady

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Okay there's 68 TDs respresenting left/progressive parties, which means you'd need 12 independents for a bare majority, and at least 14/15 for a workable one. How many of these could you say with any confidence would support a SF-led left-wing government?
Cathal Berry
Seán Canney Galway East
Michael Collins Cork South-West
Catherine Connolly Galway West
Michael Fitzmaurice Roscommon–Galway
Peter Fitzpatrick Louth
Noel Grealish Galway West
Marian Harkin Sligo–Leitrim
Danny Healy-Rae Kerry
Michael Healy-Rae Kerry
Michael Lowry Tipperary
Mattie McGrath Tipperary
Michael McNamara Clare
Verona Murphy Wexford
Denis Naughten Roscommon–Galway
Carol Nolan Laois–Offaly
Richard O'Donoghue[a] Limerick County
Thomas Pringle Donegal
Matt Shanahan[a] Waterford

How many of them voted for the present arrangement do we know?

Loafing Oaf

FrancieBrady wrote: »

How many of them voted for the present arrangement do we know?

Nine of them according to this, can't see the names
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/miche%C3%A1l-martin-elected-taoiseach-as-head-of-fianna-f%C3%A1il-fine-gael-and-green-coalition-1.4290529?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fmiche%25C3%25A1l-martin-elected-taoiseach-as-head-of-fianna-f%25C3%25A1il-fine-gael-and-green-coalition-1.4290529

FrancieBrady

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Nine of them according to this, can't see the names
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/miche%C3%A1l-martin-elected-taoiseach-as-head-of-fianna-f%C3%A1il-fine-gael-and-green-coalition-1.4290529?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fmiche%25C3%25A1l-martin-elected-taoiseach-as-head-of-fianna-f%25C3%25A1il-fine-gael-and-green-coalition-1.4290529

And you are supposed to form a stable government from them? McNamara voted for the Taoiseach but against the cabinet and a few others I believe.

blanch152

Bowie wrote: »

The claim was SF could have formed a government if they wanted.
Now you are stating they couldn't but it's their own fault.

They could have formed a government but they were too stupid to realise that it involves compromises. First thing they refused to learn is that normal political Parties will have no truck with those who eulogise evil terrorists like Bobby Storey.

Nauseating disgusting politics is the only thing that SF is good at.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

They could have formed a government but they were too stupid to realise that it involves compromises. First thing they refused to learn is that normal political Parties will have no truck with those who eulogise evil terrorists like Bobby Storey.

Nauseating disgusting politics is the only thing that SF is good at.

All you are doing is trying to give another reason why they couldn't.
There you go again with the insults 'normal parties'.
Michael Collins. Isn't there a picture of him on the mantle? FG Councilor O'Leary openly admiring the Blueshirts. Flanagan wanting to celebrate the RIC/Tans a murderous anti-Irish mob. And over seeing record breaking crises year on year..to peak at becoming junior partner to Fianna Fail the people brought us to the brink and beyond more than once.
No party or their record can excuse or cancel out what Fine Gael are. It's easy to compromise when you've no ethics or morals.
I see Dooley got a senate seat. Will he be turning up?
Everything FF do now is on FG and the Greens. FF I don't know how FG folk take themselves seriously.
Also I'm surprised the bitterness and bile is still flowing. I thought you lads might be positive for once and talk up your parties for a change rather than relying on attacking others. Guilty conscience is it?

Just ask yourself these two questions:

What do Fianna Fail usually get up to when they are in power?
What usually happens to their junior partners?

Brendan Bendar

Lads, time to call off the dogs.

SF on the sidelines for 5 years, Middle Ireland has spoken loud and clear.

Time to move on into 2020.

ThunbergsAreGo

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Context! There are thousands of people homeless, and thousands of young people struggling to pay rents, let alone have any chance of buying their own home. Context!

Which is the case in almost every developed country in the world.

That doesn't make it right, but its a global issue.

ThunbergsAreGo

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It isn't SF's fault they have a mandate.

Instead of casting them adrift after they wrecked the country as the electorate did, FG continually tried to rescue them, because FG need FF and vice versa.
They offered coalition before and then entered C&S with them.

They effectively allowed them rebuild. Own it.

Agree, it's the electorates fault.

This constant mention of change by all parties is starting to annoy me. It means everything and nothing.

"People voted for change.....the kind of change people voted for...."

I didn't tick change on the ballot paper

Bishop of hope

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Lads, time to call off the dogs.

SF on the sidelines for 5 years, Middle Ireland has spoken loud and clear.

Time to move on into 2020.

It's time to reflect back to election day and have a look at the actual results.
This was a poor result for all parties involved except SF and the Greens.
This is a very changed Dail, if issues like health and housing aren't seen to be improved then next time out it will probably be worse for FF FG.
Green issues are a sideline, just brought in to get 12 votes onside.
Rural Ireland is set to suffer because of this.
Look at where the ministers are based, 6 in Dublin, 3 in Cork, 2 in wicklow. 1 in kerry, 1 in Laois Offally, 1 in Louth Meath.
Look at that on the map and see the swathe of the country without ministerial representation at cabinet.
There's a good chance FF and FG are further alienating themselves from rural voters, next time out.

Poor_old_gill

RandomViewer wrote: »

National party are gene pool FG, nearly all related to current or former FG councillors or TDs,

That’s all you’ve got? Pathetic
SF are the party nominating a racist homophobe for a high level position - they are a lot more related to the National party than any other.

Your insinuations of gene pool, etc are just childish attempts to deflect attention from your lot.

Your support the party of anti vaxers, anti Semites, 5G conspiracy theorists and now racist honophobes.

As Francie would say- own it

Brendan Bendar

Bishop of hope wrote: »

It's time to reflect back to election day and have a look at the actual results.
This was a poor result for all parties involved except SF and the Greens.
This is a very changed Dail, if issues like health and housing aren't seen to be improved then next time out it will probably be worse for FF FG.
Green issues are a sideline, just brought in to get 12 votes onside.
Rural Ireland is set to suffer because of this.
Look at where the ministers are based, 6 in Dublin, 3 in Cork, 2 in wicklow. 1 in kerry, 1 in Laois Offally, 1 in Louth Meath.
Look at that on the map and see the swathe of the country without ministerial representation at cabinet.
There's a good chance FF and FG are further alienating themselves from rural voters, next time out.

Yes, you have points there.

If this govt. doesn’t dramatically address housing and health they will be hammered in the next election and I will have no sympathy for them.

However I think you over emphasise the importance of the ‘state car‘ in an area.

I take heart however that a lot of the dinosaurs have gone, there is a youth about the cabinet and most of all that the ‘placard parasites’ who yesterday were calling for’ Martin Out’ before he even got in!!! didn’t get a sniff of power.

Time will tell whether these will pull together as a team or not

They will HAVE to avoid gaffes at all costs and a lot rests on the Taoiseach to achieve this.

The ‘BullhornBrigade’ will up the anti with the usual negativity so I predict an extremely difficult tenure ahead.

Only time will tell if they are up to it or not.

FrancieBrady

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Yes, you have points there.

If this govt. doesn’t dramatically address housing and health they will be hammered in the next election and I will have no sympathy for them.

However I think you over emphasise the importance of the ‘state car‘ in an area.

I take heart however that a lot of the dinosaurs have gone, there is a youth about the cabinet and most of all that the ‘placard parasites’ who yesterday were calling for’ Martin Out’ before he even got in!!! didn’t get a sniff of power.

Time will tell whether these will pull together as a team or not

They will HAVE to avoid gaffes at all costs and a lot rests on the Taoiseach to achieve this.

The ‘BullhornBrigade’ will up the anti with the usual negativity so I predict an extremely difficult tenure ahead.

Only time will tell if they are up to it or not.

The 'dinosaurs' you were supporting no time ago? Have some respect for the auld smarts of the coins about here Brendan.

RandomViewer

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

That’s all you’ve got? Pathetic
SF are the party nominating a racist homophobe for a high level position - they are a lot more related to the National party than any other.

Your insinuations of gene pool, etc are just childish attempts to deflect attention from your lot.

Your support the party of anti vaxers, anti Semites, 5G conspiracy theorists and now racist honophobes.

As Francie would say- own it

You are mistaken on who I support, I hate Fine Gael, aryone else is just someone to use against them. .

Poor_old_gill

RandomViewer wrote: »

You are mistaken on who I support, I hate Fine Gael, aryone else is just someone to use against them. .

Yeah, so you vote SF? Good man