FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

satguy

Again, I ask,, at what age did Enda retire ?

christy c

satguy wrote: »

Again, I ask,, at what age did Enda retire ?

Don't know, you could Google it.

christy c

Bowie wrote: »

As I said we need leadership that will walk the walk. Once they set themselves up they couldn't give two f***s, which would be fine if managing the country wasn't their job, well paid at that.
I suppose the tax paying worker will need roll up his sleeves and work till he drops so we can keep them in fat pension(s) and assistants. On their holidays now.

We do need leadership, definitely. We also need to recognise the problem and come up with practical solutions that will work. The do nothing approach that many parties wanted wont cut it.

Snow Garden

satguy wrote: »

Again, I ask,, at what age did Enda retire ?

Enda retired well before 2011 because he did nothing and achieved nothing as Taoiseach. I have never seen a senior political leader with so little vision and courage.

satguy

The last thing Enda did,, just 3 weeks before he announced he would retire, was vote to raise your retirement age to 68.

So €130K for him, nothing for you. And now FG's Heather Humphreys says that you can't go on that family holiday you booked before the pandemic hit.

I'm just glad I'm not a FF voter. Leo calls the shots, and now FF fall in line.

christy c

satguy wrote: »

The last thing Enda did,, just 3 weeks before he announced he would retire, was vote to raise your retirement age to 68.

So €130K for him, nothing for you. And now FG's Heather Humphreys says that you can't go on that family holiday you booked before the pandemic hit.

I'm just glad I'm not a FF voter. Leo calls the shots, and now FF fall in line.

Nice rant, but still nothing remotely resembling a solution to the pension problem.

christy c

christy c wrote: »

Nice rant, but still nothing remotely resembling a solution to the pension problem.

Easy enough sorted....tax any state pension before age 66 at 99%

christy c

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Easy enough sorted....tax any state pension before age 66 at 99%

Imagine the shrieks from Pearse Doherty & co

James Brown

christy c wrote: »

Nice rant, but still nothing remotely resembling a solution to the pension problem.

A bad solution is a solution I suppose. Hard to swallow from ministers or the 'entitlements class' to use an often misused term on boards.

christy c

christy c wrote: »

Imagine the shrieks from Pearse Doherty & co

As the saying geos,theres no such thing as problems (ie pensions),only oppurtunities for solution


Anyone who thinks anything is too difficult/hard to grasp,has no business running the country

satguy

christy c wrote: »

Nice rant, but still nothing remotely resembling a solution to the pension problem.

Not a rant, I will keep paying my taxes so Enda can keep his €130K a year pension.

If we all pay our fare share there should be no reason to stop my very small state pension. Maybe Dinny will even start to pay his share.

christy c

Bowie wrote: »

A bad solution is a solution I suppose. Hard to swallow from ministers or the 'entitlements class' to use an often misused term on boards.

A bad solution v no solution, easy choice.

If we don't like what the ministers do, we can vote them out.

christy c

satguy wrote: »

If we all pay our fare share there should be no reason to stop my very small state pension.

Yes there are reasons, its what people have been posting about on this thread. People are living longer, and the ratio of workers to pensioners is reducing.

James Brown

christy c wrote: »

A bad solution v no solution, easy choice.

If we don't like what the ministers do, we can vote them out.

Japers. Weren't you the ibe looking for alternatives? Were chatting here.

James Brown

christy c wrote: »

Yes there are reasons, its what people have been posting about on this thread. People are living longer, and the ratio of workers to pensioners is reducing.

I now its frowned upon but how come it's many cushy rules for ministers but the working tax payer needs to work longer to subsidise them?
Hard ti take this responsibility on from their type.

christy c

Bowie wrote: »

I now its frowned upon but how come it's many cushy rules for ministers but the working tax payer needs to work longer to subsidise them?
Hard ti take this responsibility on from their type.

It's not nice when you see politicians acting the pr1ck, but the pension problem isn't going away on it's own.

christy c

Bowie wrote: »

Japers. Weren't you the ibe looking for alternatives? Were chatting here.

Yes I was looking for alternatives, but nothing remotely credible was presented.

satguy

So we're all agreed then,, a state pension for all at 65,, even if we need to raise Taxes.

No off shore bank accounts, no holiday homes in Malta that we let on are our homes. Everyone Pays Tax.

Sorted ...

christy c

satguy wrote: »

So we're all agreed then,, a state pension for all at 65,, even if we need to raise Taxes.

No off shore bank accounts, no holiday homes in Malta that we let on are our homes. Everyone Pays Tax.

Sorted ...

No, I want the state pension at 55.

smurgen

satguy wrote: »

So we're all agreed then,, a state pension for all at 65,, even if we need to raise Taxes.

No off shore bank accounts, no holiday homes in Malta that we let on are our homes. Everyone Pays Tax.

Sorted ...

Tax everyone. But first get rid of this ****e.

https://twitter.com/UnaMullally/status/1288546909045559297?s=19

Geuze

Deleted User wrote: »

Easy enough sorted....tax any state pension before age 66 at 99%

As no State Pensions are paid before age 66, this idea doesn't work.

satguy

smurgen wrote: »

Tax everyone. But first get rid of this ****e.

https://twitter.com/UnaMullally/status/1288546909045559297?s=19

Yes, we would need to curtail FG greed and entitlement, so that the rest of us can have nice things too.

No more big state contracts and sweetheart deals for Dinny.

if we can just keep an eye on FG for the next few years, we should all be fine.

Truthvader

smurgen wrote: »

Tax everyone. But first get rid of this ****e.

https://twitter.com/UnaMullally/status/1288546909045559297?s=19

He's a government Minister FFS. You can't have them all wheezing up hills on their bicycles like Loser Ryan.

James Brown

christy c wrote: »

It's not nice when you see politicians acting the pr1ck, but the pension problem isn't going away on it's own.

Agreed. All goes back to bad governance. I don't care the party name. Raising the age should be a last resort is all. I'd like to see other solutions. They dont seem to be putting any forward. If I'm expected to work until I drop I want them to do same or in the least not get a penny until the age to retire is reached. It's only fair.

James Brown

christy c wrote: »

Yes I was looking for alternatives, but nothing remotely credible was presented.

On that level we could say the same for raising the age. It's as easy as kicking low paid tax payers in the balls to implement. Not credible though.

christy c

Bowie wrote: »

Agreed. All goes back to bad governance. I don't care the party name. Raising the age should be a last resort is all. I'd like to see other solutions. They dont seem to be putting any forward. If I'm expected to work until I drop I want them to do same or in the least not get a penny until the age to retire is reached. It's only fair.

It doesn't go back to bad governance (although we have plenty of it), it goes back to people living longer.

Leave out the hyperbole, no is expected to work till they drop. We already have 1 in 6 hoiseholds not working at all.

Fann Linn

Truthvader wrote: »

He's a government Minister FFS. You can't have them all wheezing up hills on their bicycles like Loser Ryan.

It was his former leader Enda Kenny, who thought it was good enough to get rid of 'state cars for all' in 2011.You'd almost think this govt had a magic money tree the way they're splashing the cash around since they got together.

christy c

Bowie wrote: »

On that level we could say the same for raising the age. It's as easy as kicking low paid tax payers in the balls to implement. Not credible though.

No we couldn't say the same, raising the age will reduce the cost and will likely be part of the solution.

Someone already listed a number of countries that are doing similar. So its not as if its some crazy theory Leo dreamt up.

satguy

Bowie wrote: »

Agreed. All goes back to bad governance. I don't care the party name. Raising the age should be a last resort is all. I'd like to see other solutions. They dont seem to be putting any forward. If I'm expected to work until I drop I want them to do same or in the least not get a penny until the age to retire is reached. It's only fair.

Agreed..

If we can keep FG corruption in check, we can all retire at 65.

There was a time when the Indo used to keep an eye on them.
But someone we all know used his huge bank balance to turn the Indo into the sindo.

That just left RTE to have our backs, but a nod and a wink by RTE left them in the clear.

Now FF need to man up.

James Brown

christy c wrote: »

It doesn't go back to bad governance (although we have plenty of it), it goes back to people living longer.

Leave out the hyperbole, no is expected to work till they drop. We already have 1 in 6 hoiseholds not working at all.

Citing a potential part of the problem doesn't make raising the age an inevitability.

One pension age for all. If its raised no politician gets a penny until then. Theres some savings right there.
You're slipping and sliding here. People on the sick too, so no worries...