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FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

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    #1742
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,817 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    landofthetree wrote: »
    They cant leave government until the other 125 TDs vote them out.

    Till then FG have to keep going as the others have ran away.

    SF will keep away from government. Yeara of austerity ahead.

    So in the absence of a new government they ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE TO DO STUFF.

    Point out to us all WHAT other parties can do other than fulfill the duties of opposition and point out lapses and flaws in what the government are doing or not doing.


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    #1743
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Should you not be posting pics of children killed by the UDA and blaming SF

    :pac:
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Meh...im not one using dead kids to make a political pint...laughing at yous pretending to care tbh mate

    .


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    #1744
    all about the mane
    Registered Users Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭all about the mane


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    So in the absence of a new government they ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE TO DO STUFF.

    Are they doing stuff? Yes.
    The OP claimed otherwise. This is what the thread is about. The OP was wrong.
    To be fair, it was a hospital pass of a thread to begin with but fair play to the posters on here still trying to make a game of it :D


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    #1745
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,817 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    all about the mane wrote: »
    Are they doing stuff? Yes.
    The OP claimed otherwise. This is what the thread is about. The OP was wrong.
    To be fair, it was a hospital pass of a thread to begin with but fair play to the posters on here still trying to make a game of it :D

    Read slowly here: The OP was in response to FG's assertion that they would go into opposition for the next term (5 years)

    Has the next term begun = No
    Has your pointscoring any relevance/credence = No


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    #1746
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Read slowly here: The OP was in response to FG's assertion that they would go into opposition for the next term (5 years)

    ..........

    So in opposition the parties do nothing?


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    #1747
    solidasarock
    Registered Users Posts: 337 ✭✭solidasarock


    I just think we really lucked out with the timing of this crisis and have a experienced government at the helm and not a bunch of new ministers wondering what the office wifi password is.


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    #1748
    all about the mane
    Registered Users Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭all about the mane


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Read slowly here: The OP was in response to FG's assertion that they would go into opposition for the next term (5 years)

    Has the next term begun = No
    Has your pointscoring any relevance/credence = No

    Maybe the OP jumped the gun then. (Hospital pass)

    It only feels like point scoring when you are losing. ;)


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    #1749
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    .

    And yes??

    Im pointing/laughing at yous who taught it ok to bring dead children into politiacal discussion

    If yous have issue with this,i suggest you examine your posting style mate...you posted it noone else,


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    #1750
    landofthetree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    So in the absence of a new government they ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE TO DO STUFF.

    Point out to us all WHAT other parties can do other than fulfill the duties of opposition and point out lapses and flaws in what the government are doing or not doing.

    The other parties can form a new government. They have 125TDs. Only need 79.

    They are running away because its austerity for years ahead.

    New election needed in Sep/Oct.


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    #1751
    all about the mane
    Registered Users Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭all about the mane


    landofthetree wrote: »
    The other parties can form a new government. They have 125TDs. Only need 79.

    They are running away because its austerity for years ahead.

    New election needed in Sep/Oct.

    I hope we will be in a position to have another election at that time. I have my doubts the way things are going.
    Maybe this time instead of electronic voting we could have online voting....


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    #1752
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users Posts: 16,430 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    landofthetree wrote: »
    The other parties can form a new government. They have 125TDs. Only need 79.

    They are running away because its austerity for years ahead.

    New election needed in Sep/Oct.

    How are FF running away? Martin seems to me to be forcing the pace on a deal with FG.


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    #1753
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,817 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    landofthetree wrote: »
    The other parties can form a new government. They have 125TDs. Only need 79.

    They are running away because its austerity for years ahead.

    New election needed in Sep/Oct.

    So can FG/FF and the Greens/multiple combinations...what happened with that one?


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    #1754
    all about the mane
    Registered Users Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭all about the mane


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    How are FF running away? Martin seems to me to be forcing the pace on a deal with FG.

    FF need the deal to stay relevant. Otherwise they will fall further. They could be the new labour.


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    #1755
    all about the mane
    Registered Users Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭all about the mane


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    So can FG/FF and the Greens/multiple combinations...what happened with that one?

    The Greens are slow to go in. Can’t blame them.


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    #1756
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,817 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    all about the mane wrote: »
    The Greens are slow to go in. Can’t blame them.

    So nobody can form a new government currently.


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    #1757
    IAmTheReign
    Registered Users Posts: 339 ✭✭IAmTheReign


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    So in the absence of a new government they ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE TO DO STUFF.

    Point out to us all WHAT other parties can do other than fulfill the duties of opposition and point out lapses and flaws in what the government are doing or not doing.

    They could actually get on with forming a government. I mean they keep going on about what FG are doing wrong and what they would do if they were in charge during this crisis.


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    #1758
    landofthetree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    So can FG/FF and the Greens/multiple combinations...what happened with that one?

    Greens have pulled out. Only interested in a national government.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/green-party-no-deal-fg-ff-5042542-Mar2020/

    SDs and Lab have also ruled out FF|FG


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    #1759
    all about the mane
    Registered Users Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭all about the mane


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    So nobody can form a new government currently.

    Good job FG are getting on with things then. Contrary to what the OP claimed.


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    #1760
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,817 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    IAmTheReign wrote: »
    They could actually get on with forming a government. I mean they keep going on about what FG are doing wrong and what they would do if they were in charge during this crisis.

    No...like an awful lot of people they are pointing out lapses and failures in the handling of this crisis.

    That is the DUTY of an opposition.

    FG have a duty to caretake under the constitution. They are also doing their duty.


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    #1761
    Loafing Oaf
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    IAmTheReign wrote: »
    They could actually get on with forming a government. I mean they keep going on about what FG are doing wrong and what they would do if they were in charge during this crisis.

    How can they do that? Realistically you need two out of three from FF, FG & SF to form a government, and FF and FG have made it clear they won't do business with SF.


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    #1762
    landofthetree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    How can they do that? Realistically you need two out of three from FF, FG & SF to form a government, and FF and FG have made it clear they won't do business with SF.

    Wrong.

    You dont need FF or FG.

    You need 79 TDs. Currently there are 87 TDs who arent FF or FG.


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    #1763
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users Posts: 16,430 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    landofthetree wrote: »
    Wrong.

    You dont need FF or FG.

    In theory. And in theory it would be possible for SF+FG+whoever to form a government. But neither is a realistic proposition...


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    #1764
    landofthetree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    In theory. And in theory it would be possible for SF+FG+whoever to form a government. But neither is a realistic proposition...

    Well I hope people cop on that voting for indos in large numbers leads to this sort of mess.


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    #1765
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,817 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    landofthetree wrote: »
    Well I hope people cop on that voting for indos in large numbers leads to this sort of mess.

    Voting for a party that decided first to huff, then play games hasn't exactly paid dividends either.


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    #1766
    landofthetree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Voting for a party that decided first to huff, then play games hasn't exactly paid dividends either.

    Yep SF and their hilarious claim that they would lead a left wing government on counting day was a joke.


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    #1767
    piplip87
    Registered Users Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭piplip87


    FF and FG need to step upto the plate and form a government.

    After this election hard choices will need to be made. If it comes down to increasing dole by 200 million or pumping the 200 Million to employers to help get the back on Thier feet SF would choose the former for short term electoral gains. Where as the latter would take longer to work but it will get people back to work.

    I'd say SF and the PBP crowd will have Thier eyes on corporate tax been raised quite substantially again.

    It would be extremely interesting to see how the manifestos will costed after all this has passed.


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    #1768
    landofthetree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    piplip87 wrote: »
    FF and FG need to step upto the plate and form a government.

    After this election hard choices will need to be made. If it comes down to increasing dole by 200 million or pumping the 200 Million to employers to help get the back on Thier feet SF would choose the former for short term electoral gains. Where as the latter would take longer to work but it will get people back to work.

    I'd say SF and the PBP crowd will have Thier eyes on corporate tax been raised quite substantially again.

    It would be extremely interesting to see how the manifestos will costed after all this has passed.

    FF and FG dont have the numbers without others.

    Greens lab SDs have said no. Obviously the likes of PBP Sol are out.

    Only option looks like FF FG and some indos. Very shaky.


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    #1769
    FrancieBrady
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    landofthetree wrote: »
    Yep SF and their hilarious claim that they would lead a left wing government on counting day was a joke.

    The operative word that you guys keep missing (intentionally, no doubt) was 'try to form a government of the left'.


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    #1770
    road_high
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    landofthetree wrote: »
    The other parties can form a new government. They have 125TDs. Only need 79.

    They are running away because its austerity for years ahead.

    New election needed in Sep/Oct.

    Nothing will happen 'til then. FG will continue (thank God). I predict a big swing back to them once this crisis is handled properly/sensibly and we come out the other end on an even keal. SF and co will be left back floundering in opposition where they belong. The narrative has evolved now to one of complete economic survival and damage limitation to rebuilding rather than the philosphical groundless otherly planet sand SF manifestos are built on.


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    #1771
    road_high
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    solidasarock wrote: »
    I just think we really lucked out with the timing of this crisis and have a experienced government at the helm and not a bunch of new ministers wondering what the office wifi password is.

    We are so lucky in a weird way with the timing. A very bad sistuation could have been carnage under the helm of SF. As they say "never get an amateur to do a professionals job"- couldn't be more apt right now


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