FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

landofthetree

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The OP was written in a different world to be frank. Ridiculous point again.

Only one party can do the main stuff and by dint of fluke that is the caretaker party. All the rest turned up and have done their duty by the people. Nobody is 'spinning'. It is ridiculous to watch and read you trying this on.

Thats the problem with loony left wing ideology. They live in a dream where everything can be made perfect by tax and spend in a low productivity environment.

SF are already bricking it on their promises. They should have know a shock could come along.

landofthetree

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'Save the country'???

I think we are all doing that blanch. FG like anyone else is playing their part.

A 'part' that has not been granted 'immunity' by anyone bar the fan boys and girls.

Some arent.

In Cabra for example. Probably the sort who will be crying in a few weeks that the government disnt do enough.

https://www.herald.ie/news/fk-the-coronavirus-eru-sent-in-to-clear-pub-drinkers-39053796.html

Plumbthedepths

So our resident Green party supporter believes FG will save us again, I would be interested to know what evidence the poster has that shows FF or SF or any other political group in Ireland caused this crisis. Whole new level of idiocy on display here today.

Plumbthedepths

landofthetree wrote: »

Thats the problem with loony left wing ideology. They live in a dream where everything can be made perfect by tax and spend in a low productivity environment.

SF are already bricking it on their promises. They should have know a shock could come along.

FG were promising tax cuts , surely they should have seen this coming too?

landofthetree

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So our resident Green party supporter believes FG will save us again, I would be interested to know what evidence the poster has that shows FF or SF or any other political group in Ireland caused this crisis. Whole new level of idiocy on display here today.

SF wanted to increase public spending by 25billion per year by 2025.

This promise didnt even last a month post election.


Who would let these idiots in charge of the country?

Idbatterim

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

FG were promising tax cuts , surely they should have seen this coming too?

I have SLATED FG here, but of course they will offer tax cuts, what else do they have to offer? what do you want them to say to workers after years of reduced living standards for many? we are going to just increase welfare, tough ****, thanks for the cash lads?

landofthetree

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

FG were promising tax cuts , surely they should have seen this coming too?

Yes. But their plans weren't as crazy as SF.

I have criticised FG for increasing public spending by 13 billion since 2016. It was way too much.

SF and the loony left wanted FG to spend much more.

mattser

Runaways wrote: »

Do you know how many TDs were at cheltenham?

The answer might surprise you.

Can you post where you advised them not to travel....pre the races ?

Plumbthedepths

landofthetree wrote: »

SF and the loony left wanted FG to spend much more.

As FG wanted FF to do prior to the economic crash.

Runaways

mattser wrote: »

Can you post where you advised them not to travel....pre the races ?

They’re elected representatives. We all can read the news. It’s constant on this virus.

They went anyways.

mattser

Runaways wrote: »

They’re elected representatives. We all can read the news. It’s constant on this virus.

They went anyways.

So you can't. Another ' expert ' wise after the event. Jog on lads.

joeguevara

mattser wrote: »

So you can't. Another ' expert ' wise after the event. Jog on lads.

It is unfortunate that they did. Similarly as Northern Ireland did not implement the same rules we did, any Sinn Fein member who travelled from north to south can aalso have potentially brought infection. It is irrelevant now and not what needs to be focused on

Runaways

mattser wrote: »

So you can't. Another ' expert ' wise after the event. Jog on lads.

Jaysis

Everyone. *everyone* was calling for it to be cancelled. You didn’t have to be a poxy expert to know it was a bad idea if going ahead. You did have to be special kind of stupid to go though. And now we see many returning are Infected.

How the fvck did that happen? I can’t even imagine.

Runaways

Runaways wrote: »

Jaysis

Everyone. *everyone* was calling for it to be cancelled. You didn’t have to be a poxy expert to know it was a bad idea if going ahead. You did have to be special kind of stupid to go though. And now we see many returning are Infected.

How the fvck did that happen? I can’t even imagine.

What TDs went to it?

landofthetree

landofthetree wrote: »

SF wanted to increase public spending by 25billion per year by 2025.

This promise didnt even last a month post election.


Who would let these idiots in charge of the country?

What do you think the expenditure is going to increase to now,with all the extra money needed to tackle coronavirus??


Id hazard a guess that FG increase in expense over the next 5 years will largly match what shinners proposed (i suspect the tax increases will be roughly similar),albeit on different things,but an increase nonetheless of several billion


Though i also think an post ww2 style marshell plan,will quite possibly be enacted by the ecb,....alot of underlying social issues (housing here etc) across EU need solving or it could lead to parties favouring break up of eu gaining traction

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

What do you think the expenditure is going to increase to now,with all the extra money needed to tackle coronavirus??


Id hazard a guess that FG increase in expense over the next 5 years will largly match what shinners proposed.............

Yeah but the shinners proposed "SF wanted to increase public spending by 25billion per year by 2025" in conjunction with falling income tax and no Covid19 fall out to deal with. SF spending was largely going to line wasters' pockets.

Idbatterim

Augeo wrote: »

Yeah but the shinners proposed "SF wanted to increase public spending by 25billion per year by 2025" in conjunction with falling income tax and no Covid19 fall out to deal with. SF spending was largely going to line wasters' pockets.

Augeo if you look at who voted, I think it was only 63% of the population. I honestly doubt, now imagine how many true wasters voted... Id say its pretty insignificant. The backlash didnt come from wasters, it came from those ****ed by housing and health primarily or those who have compassion for those effected by these areas, I had canvassers knocking at my door, elderly and they were saying the housing situation is criminal, which it is. We now have people in luxury apartments, paying FCUK all in "rent" and we have hundreds of thousands who have lost their jobs, actually vulnerable, paying for this **** show and the alternate reality many of those in social housing live in.

housing is expensive to build, I suggest that new social housing tenants pay realistic rents. Or you reduce the "quality" of apartments they are in, because having a very select few on the pigs back, paid for by others, in **** accomodation and it **** positions, is unacceptable in my opinion...

Idbatterim

Idbatterim wrote: »

Augeo if you look at who voted, I think it was only 63% of the population. I honestly doubt, now imagine how many true wasters voted... Id say its pretty insignificant. The backlash didnt come from wasters, it came from those ****ed by housing and health primarily or those who have compassion for those effected by these areas, I had canvassers knocking at my door, elderly and they were saying the housing situation is criminal, which it is. We now have people in luxury apartments, paying FCUK all in "rent" and we have hundreds of thousands who have lost their jobs, actually vulnerable, paying for this **** show and the alternate reality many of those in social housing live in.

housing is expensive to build, I suggest that new social housing tenants pay realistic rents. Or you reduce the "quality" of apartments they are in, because having a very select few on the pigs back, paid for by others, in **** accomodation and it **** positions, is unacceptable in my opinion...

I'm not saying wasters voted, I'm saying SF policy is largely to line the pockets of wasters. They are the loony left.

SF policy wasn't going to charge realistic rents for social housing or reduce the quality of apartments they are in.

Loads of non wasters swallow the populist horsesh1t that SF spout, but SF will never deliver any of it. SF policies are so lala that they couldn't even form a government as even the nutters wouldn't get into bed with them not to mind FG and FF.

Idbatterim

one thing this pandemic proves, look at the action that can be taken when needs must! Now , they have been sitting on their h*les about the housing crisis & I meant to think its acceptable or hundreds of thousand of others are? they arent, hence the backlash...

they have a chance for redemption here...

Fg lost seats, due to bending over backwards for wasters, that probably dont even vote and would vote for Hitler before Fg, but they are far too spineless. It will be about throwing billions into health going forward and towards helping working people, particularly those with kids etc. this great welfare buy off days as the one trick pony are long long. Thank god!

Idbatterim

weeks and months ago, I have been banging on about who the vulnerable actually are in this country, the ones a job loss away from E203 a week, paying mad rent etc. It sure as FCUK isnt those in social housing, with guaranteed income, medical card, free transport etc :rolleyes:

If there is another crash, FG will get the chance to overhaul the welfare state and do what they should have done the first time around!

every one pays for gp visit, E20! the gp can waive the charge if they are that concerned, they arent short of money! Get rid of free transport, get rid of free tv license, get rid of xmas bonus. I propose a several billion euro swing, to balance out the ridiculous stress and financial issues working people have V many living on another planet!

landofthetree

So Garry Gannon and the SDs wants the Greens to prop up a FF FG arrangement.

So they want the Greens to do something they wouldn't do.

What a bunch of jokers they are.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/gary-gannon-we-want-to-present-alternatives-989125.html

Idbatterim

landofthetree wrote: »

So Garry Gannon and the SDs wants the Greens to prop up a FF FG arrangement.

So they want the Greens to do something they wouldn't do.

What a bunch of jokers they are.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/gary-gannon-we-want-to-present-alternatives-989125.html

as far as I am concerned, the greens should do it and government delivering dublin metro, starting 2021 as planned, is the price...

all about the mane

Idbatterim wrote: »

as far as I am concerned, the greens should do it and government delivering dublin metro, starting 2021 as planned, is the price...

Where will they cut the money from to build the metro?

The greens are scared to go in as the small party. Couldn't blame them after last time.

Plumbthedepths

Idbatterim wrote: »

as far as I am concerned, the greens should do it and government delivering dublin metro, starting 2021 as planned, is the price...

You ain't getting Dublin metro anytime soon. Can you comprehend the economic fallout of what we/world is facing?

Idbatterim

all about the mane wrote: »

Where will the guy the money from to build the metro?

they can borrow money for near zero percent. No look, this coalition thing doesnt need to be that difficult. If the greens want a game changer, demand that, forget about increasing carbon tax etc for time being. its actually a stupid strategy that just caps how many seats they win. Scrap the NBP idiocy, there is 3 billion plus there!

its so typical of ireland, we move so glacially , that this broadband problem will be solved, at no cost to the irish taxpayer, before they are half way through this plan!

https://www.zdnet.com/article/new-spacex-launch-starlink-now-has-360-internet-beaming-satellites-as-us-service-nears/

landofthetree

Idbatterim wrote: »

as far as I am concerned, the greens should do it and government delivering dublin metro, starting 2021 as planned, is the price...

I agree they should step up. Im highlighting Gannon and his mates avoiding responsibility.


I agree 100% on the metro. We need to keep capital spending going post cornavirus.


The funding is a tricky issue alright. The European investment bank could supply funding.

all about the mane

Idbatterim wrote: »

they can borrow money for near zero percent. No look, this coalition thing doesnt need to be that difficult. If the greens want a game changer, demand that, forget about increasing carbon tax etc for time being. its actually a stupid strategy that just caps how many seats they win. Scrap the NBP idiocy, there is 3 billion plus there!

its so typical of ireland, we move so glacially , that this broadband problem will be solved, at no cost to the irish taxpayer, before they are half way through this plan!

https://www.zdnet.com/article/new-spacex-launch-starlink-now-has-360-internet-beaming-satellites-as-us-service-nears/

Greens are afraid after last time

landofthetree

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You ain't getting Dublin metro anytime soon. Can you comprehend the economic fallout of what we/world is facing?

We could have done it all privately.


https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/private-funding-could-provide-dublin-with-new-metro-by-2025-says-dublin-metro-chief-889462.html


But it would have been too unpopular. Can you imagine the left if FG let a private company build and run a metro?

all about the mane

landofthetree wrote: »

We could have done it all privately.


https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/private-funding-could-provide-dublin-with-new-metro-by-2025-says-dublin-metro-chief-889462.html


But it would have been too unpopular. Can you imagine the left if FG let a private company build and run a metro?

Now that would be an entertaining thread!

Plumbthedepths

landofthetree wrote: »

We could have done it all privately.


https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/private-funding-could-provide-dublin-with-new-metro-by-2025-says-dublin-metro-chief-889462.html


But it would have been too unpopular. Can you imagine the left if FG let a private company build and run a metro?

Do you assume that every opposition to privatisation is an exclusive leftist stance?