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Brendan Howlin steps down as Labour leader

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    #62
    votecounts
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    Judging by paddy power, Kelly is nailed for it.
    2/9


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    #63
    Augme
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    ShylockWept wrote: »
    Given their position now, Labour need a leader who is ambitious and a bit ruthless. They actually need somebody like Kelly, who has been a great Dail and media performer to take them forward. The fact that he is disliked by some many is exactly the reason why I think he should be appointed.

    Unfortunately, I don't think Labour will elect him - I would say Nash has a greater chance.


    Labour should elect a leader who is disliked by so many? Not sure how you've come to the conclusion doing that would be a good idea.


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    #64
    pure.conya
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    such a big step from such a small man

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04RLSXhntqE


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    #65
    nigeldaniel
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    If Kelly gets the post he will need to do something about the party's image.

    Dan.



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    #66
    Loafing Oaf
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    nigeldaniel wrote: »
    If Kelly gets the post he will need to do something about the party's image.

    Going to be very difficult for any Labour leader complicit in the compromises/promise-breaking of 2011 to 'turn the page'.


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    #67
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    Augme wrote: »
    Labour should elect a leader who is disliked by so many? Not sure how you've come to the conclusion doing that would be a good idea.

    There's a logic to it. Labour are never going to appeal to everyone, they "only" need a leader who can appeal to people on the left.


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    #68
    ShylockWept
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    There's a logic to it. Labour are never going to appeal to everyone, they "only" need a leader who can appeal to people on the left.

    Kelly may annoy people, but he will grab attention and headlines and will get the labour agenda out there to a far greater extent. He is the only one of the three with senior level cabinet experience.


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    #69
    Feisar
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    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Going to be very difficult for any Labour leader complicit in the compromises/promise-breaking of 2011 to 'turn the page'.

    Please excuse my ignorance however why did Labour get such a slating?

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #70
    votecounts
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    Feisar wrote: »
    Please excuse my ignorance however why did Labour get such a slating?
    No another red cent and Burn the Bondholders, did the opposite
    At a time of record unemployment, cut the amounts paid.
    Savage cuts to spends in mental health, etc.
    Introduced Job Bridge, free staff replaced paid employment.
    SF replaced them as the party that represented the working class.
    Bad Leadership
    Just a few off the top of my head.
    Never got any credit for the country stablising and unemployment rapidly decreasing though which was unfair.


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    #71
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    votecounts wrote: »
    No another red cent and Burn the Bondholders, did the opposite
    At a time of record unemployment, cut the amounts paid.
    Savage cuts to spends in mental health, etc.
    Introduced Job Bridge, free staff replaced paid employment.
    SF replaced them as the party that represented the working class.
    Bad Leadership
    Just a few off the top of my head.
    Never got any credit for the country stablising and unemployment rapidly decreasing though which was unfair.

    All true, but also, crucially imo, lost control of the narrative to people like Paul Murphy who absolutely want to deconstruct Ireland's economy. No matter what Labour did or didn't do, they lost the hard left to people who are extremely hard left. They never figured out how to deal with the Murphys and Boyd-Barretts of this world.


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    #72
    votecounts
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    All true, but also, crucially imo, lost control of the narrative to people like Paul Murphy who absolutely want to deconstruct Ireland's economy. No matter what Labour did or didn't do, they lost the hard left to people who are extremely hard left. They never figured out how to deal with the Murphys and Boyd-Barretts of this world.
    I can't believe I forgot to put down Irish Water:)


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    #73
    StupidLikeAFox
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    And crucially for Alan Kelly, he was minister for the environment and regularly championed water charges, which saw 10s of thousands of people on the streets in protest against them. He defended them to the bitter end when the likes of sinn fein/pbp etc were building support by opposing them. If he becomes leader won't be able to disassociate himself (and by extension the Labour party) from that whole debacle


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