Ireland in 3 years under a left wing government.

Plumbthedepths

Fred Cryton wrote: »

We have got to keep those Shinners out for as long as possible. Pascal having to reassure the multinationals today to continue to invest. I work with multinationals and this country is going down the toilet if SF get in. Give it 5 years and FF /FG can co-ordinate at the next election, perhaps stepping aside in certain constituencies to help the other. The situation is that serious people, the country is really on the edge of a precipice now. If you are middle class, the enemy are at the gates.

You posted alot of nonsense earlier, good to see you have remained consistent.

dwmcdos

Fred Cryton wrote: »

We have got to keep those Shinners out for as long as possible. Pascal having to reassure the multinationals today to continue to invest. I work with multinationals and this country is going down the toilet if SF get in. Give it 5 years and FF /FG can co-ordinate at the next election, perhaps stepping aside in certain constituencies to help the other. The situation is that serious people, the country is really on the edge of a precipice now. If you are middle class, the enemy are at the gates.

This post makes me want to switch to SF in the next election.

Nekarsulm

tayto lover wrote: »

“Can’t be any worse than the mess FF left us in back in 2011”.

That scares me. I don’t believe anyone wants to go through that again. People lost their homes and many committed suicide in that period. To even suggest that it could happen again under SF really is scary. Does this mean that SF are there to gamble?

I wonder how the people who bought in Priory Hall are feeling?
Tom McFeely should be out of bankruptcy later this year, and has the kind of pedigree Sinn Fein will be looking for, dynamic, go-ahead builders who will throw up the houses and get people on the property ladder.
A top class Republican CV, a stint in Portlaoise until he escaped, robbery of a Post Office in Antrim, a chase, a Mexician Stand-off, a gun fight in which he shot a policeman and then12 years in the Maze.
Coming to a building site near you soon....

RandomViewer

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

I have lived under a 'Left Wing' government.

At first it sounds great. Everything is going to get fixed. Everything is going to get better. Everything looks rosy. Wages just keep going up. Everybody wants a council job. Sweeping the streets pays more than any tradesman. Joining a Union is the first thing you do before you get a job.

It is smiles all around and everybody is happy.

Then one day someone looks at the bank balance. They get told to hide it. But one day there is no where left to hide them.

So there is no money. So everyone goes on strike. So nothing ever gets done. The streets are full of rubbish. Everything is broke and doesn't work. The power keeps going off. The TV is off because they are on strike. The phones arent working. There is no water. etc etc etc.

I do not want to live under a socialist Government again. They are a pure disaster.

British Labour government 1977-78?

RandomViewer

mynamejeff wrote: »

trying to buy off the only other armed and trained army in the country ?

There is a fair bit of crossover

RandomViewer

Nekarsulm wrote: »

I wonder how the people who bought in Priory Hall are feeling?
Tom McFeely should be out of bankruptcy later this year, and has the kind of pedigree Sinn Fein will be looking for, dynamic, go-ahead builders who will throw up the houses and get people on the property ladder.
A top class Republican CV, a stint in Portlaoise until he escaped, robbery of a Post Office in Antrim, a chase, a Mexician Stand-off, a gun fight in which he shot a policeman and then12 years in the Maze.
Coming to a building site near you soon....

McFeely was the big name but there were many more dodgy developers, FF luvvie Bernard McNamara built extension to Letterkenny hospital with no drains, whole place flooded, back in business working for Dinny

RandomViewer

Fred Cryton wrote: »

We have got to keep those Shinners out for as long as possible. Pascal having to reassure the multinationals today to continue to invest. I work with multinationals and this country is going down the toilet if SF get in. Give it 5 years and FF /FG can co-ordinate at the next election, perhaps stepping aside in certain constituencies to help the other. The situation is that serious people, the country is really on the edge of a precipice now. If you are middle class, the enemy are at the gates.

Ireland doesnt have a class system, just waxxxrs with notions

quokula

Ireland under a left wing government would be fine.

Ireland under a populist nationalist government under the influence of violent thugs, who made some left wing sounding promises while also promising to cut the taxes that might pay for better public services, probably wouldn’t fair so well.

Boredstiff666

Idbatterim wrote: »

nobody is talking about taxing them at penal rates, just not farcially low ones. Everyone sticks up for the companies, do you think taxing labour at FIFTY percent is a sound strategy?!

Multi-nationals only come here because of Irelands mad giveaway policy to attracting business. Take that away they will simply move tomorrow.

The whole idea of taxing any worker is counter productive and wrong. If people had their hard earned cash in their pocket, the extra cash would make economies boom as they all become super consumers.

If you had the best hospitals, best education, best armed forces with latest weapons. You would be surprised at how low the tax take would be on peoples wages. It would be very low.

But lefty politicians want power so they tax to pay for their supporters high wages (public workers) and embark on paying more and more to people to stay at home (more voters) etc etc.

So the amount of tax revenue needed by Gov just rises to obscene levels.

Yurt2

Fred Cryton wrote: »

I work with multinationals and this country is going down the toilet if SF get in.

Yeah, I'm sure you're CFO for AmericaGloboCorp's EMENA headquarters and you have the US Secretary of the Treasury on speed-dial.

Darando

But sure we’re getting an hourly train service to Belfast....life will be good...and if you happen to be under 18 it’ll be free

gally74

seamus wrote: »

"Left wing government" is a bit of a jingoist boogeyman. It implies budget-breaking welfare giveaways, seizure of private property for public use and everyone being forced to live on the same income regardless of what they do.

We don't really have any of those people in this country. Even RBB and Paul Murphy talk hard, but their hearts lie in social leftism more than economic.

Right-wing governments leave us in a place where the country has gotten a lot of financial and economic TLC, but social and humanity issues are left on life-support, sometimes even sacrificed for financial gain.

Left-wing governments give TLC to the social and the humanity issues, without pushing for aggressive economic development. Finances are sacrificed if it will improve general well-being.

After 3 years of it, we'll be in place where poverty is lower, inequality is lower, healthcare is (very slightly) improved, and people feel like they have better day-to-day supports and employment security. But there will be a creeping issue of budget overspend, economic stagnation and rising unemployment.

Plus us companies leaving every month, resulting in a bigger crash than 2007 sending the country back to 1930,

Yurt2

gally74 wrote: »

Plus us companies leaving every month, resulting in a bigger crash than 2007 sending the country back to 1930,

Chicken Little in the house

Why stop at 1930? I'm sure we'll actually be sent back to 1847 eating nettle soup and dying of the consumption.

seamus

gally74 wrote: »

Plus us companies leaving every month, resulting in a bigger crash than 2007 sending the country back to 1930,

US companies who want to trade inside the EU won't be going anywhere.

Successive Irish governments have sold us the lie that we are dead in the water without our corporation tax rate.

Turns out that companies pay more effective CT here than in many other countries, and the loopholes that have allowed them to lower their bills, have been closed.

And yet they're still here.

We have a country with a low crime rate, low risk of civil unrest, very mellow weather, half-decent infrastructure, that is inside the EU, filled with a population who natively speak English, are highly educated, reknowned for a hard work ethic and have a very balanced set of employment laws.

But sure, they're going to relocate their EU operations to India to save 5% on their CT. Lots of companies did that in the 00s. They quickly came running back.

seamus

seamus wrote: »

US companies who want to trade inside the EU won't be going anywhere.

We have a country with a low crime rate, low risk of civil unrest, very mellow weather, half-decent infrastructure, that is inside the EU, filled with a population who natively speak English, are highly educated, reknowned for a hard work ethic and have a very balanced set of employment laws.

Really? Why not go to Poland? Cheaper land, lower expectation for salaries, good infrastructure,centralized location between west and east, a large employee base with multiple languages available including English (whereas a large percentage of Irish struggle with speaking more than just English, and even then, the range of accents can make their English difficult for other nationalities to understand).

BluePlanet

Deleted User wrote: »

Really? Why not go to Poland? Cheaper land, lower expectation for salaries, good infrastructure,centralized location between west and east, a large employee base with multiple languages available including English (whereas a large percentage of Irish struggle with speaking more than just English, and even then, the range of accents can make their English difficult for other nationalities to understand).

They have one of the most expensive prices for internet in Europe, a general lack of infastructure and lack of know-how, according to wikipedia.

Not very attractive.

lapua20grain

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Slab Murphy to be appointed as minister for cross border trade maybe?

A good republican

RobbingBandit

Problems with Robin Hood is you rob the rich to feed the poor who in turn become the rich as the rich are now poor it's a vicious cycle of give and take which never ends and only creates social discourse.

BluePlanet

BluePlanet wrote: »

They have one of the most expensive prices for internet in Europe, a general lack of infastructure and lack of know-how, according to wikipedia.

Not very attractive.

Really?

"Outside the automotive industry, Poland has made great strides in securing significant investments from all over the globe, in a range of sectors — such as aviation, food processing, business service centres and business software research and development.

It ranks second as an FDI destination in Europe, by jobs created, surpassing even Germany. A big internal market, access to subcontractors and raw materials, skilled and efficient talent pool with foreign language proficiency, as well as central location and convenient time zone have all been magnets for foreign capital. So has a steady economy with plenty of growth potential."

Considering it's prime target for EU funding... their internet concerns are likely resolved, or will be be resolved relatively quickly.

So... once again, why not Poland? Oh, sure, Ireland would be better... but now, with SF who are hostile to big business, multinationals are likely to receive quite a few changes to encourage them to leave...

nthclare

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Really? Why not go to Poland? Cheaper land, lower expectation for salaries, good infrastructure,centralized location between west and east, a large employee base with multiple languages available including English (whereas a large percentage of Irish struggle with speaking more than just English, and even then, the range of accents can make their English difficult for other nationalities to understand).

Go to Poland like Dell

IAMAMORON

The longer this goes on the more hypothetical this discussion is becoming. Pointless enough.

Sinn Féin missed their shot. They shook the bucket and fair play, but one big punch does not a fight make.

In 6 weeks or less we will either have another election or a FF/FG/Other coalition. If you shoot at the devil you best not miss.

FG and FF are just spinning things in their favour. FG are stating they want to go in to opposition, it allows them to regroup and prepare for 2024. FF will posture but ultimately they would prefer a coalition with FG than SF, it is their best chance of saving their party. If they give SF a sniff of power now they are finished, why take the chance?

When Sinn Féin's attempts to form a government become exasperated they will start screaming for another election. This will allow FF and FG to step in and say they can form one. Only a matter of time.

BluePlanet

Learn flipping Polish then Klaz.
You should know by now the myriad of chronic under investment in our infrastructure across sectors: Health, Housing, Transport, Education etc etc.
Systems totally creaking having been neglected and run into the ground for about a decade now by FF/FG.

You'd like to protect the earnings of the richest companies in the world such is your prerogative.
I'll go along with socialized supports and safety nets, things that benefit ordinary people.

maccored

IAMAMORON wrote: »

The longer this goes on the more hypothetical this discussion is becoming. Pointless enough.

Sinn Féin missed their shot. They shook the bucket and fair play, but one big punch does not a fight make.

In 6 weeks or less we will either have another election or a FF/FG/Other coalition. If you shoot at the devil you best not miss.

FG and FF are just spinning things in their favour. FG are stating they want to go in to opposition, it allows them to regroup and prepare for 2024. FF will posture but ultimately they would prefer a coalition with FG than SF, it is their best chance of saving their party. If they give SF a sniff of power now they are finished, why take the chance?

When Sinn Féin's attempts to form a government become exasperated they will start screaming for another election. This will allow FF and FG to step in and say they can form one. Only a matter of time.

Let FF anf FG form one. they are essentially the same party anyway

Plumbthedepths

IAMAMORON wrote: »

The longer this goes on the more hypothetical this discussion is becoming. Pointless enough.

Sinn Féin missed their shot. They shook the bucket and fair play, but one big punch does not a fight make.

In 6 weeks or less we will either have another election or a FF/FG/Other coalition. If you shoot at the devil you best not miss.

FG and FF are just spinning things in their favour. FG are stating they want to go in to opposition, it allows them to regroup and prepare for 2024. FF will posture but ultimately they would prefer a coalition with FG than SF, it is their best chance of saving their party. If they give SF a sniff of power now they are finished, why take the chance?

When Sinn Féin's attempts to form a government become exasperated they will start screaming for another election. This will allow FF and FG to step in and say they can form one. Only a matter of time.

SF doesn't have to scream for another election, if FF and FG don't agree to form a government with the support of a.n. other party after SF's doomed to fail attempts the only option is another election which according to the Journals Lise Hand terrifies FF and FG.

BluePlanet

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

SF doesn't have to scream for another election, if FF and FG don't agree to form a government with the support of a.n. other party after SF's doomed to fail attempts the only option is another election which according to the Journals Lise Hand terrifies FF and FG.

That'll be some look alright.
MLM hand on heart saying she tried to get a government setup to address our problems but FF/FG, the 2 parties that are identical and have always held the reigns of power, simply won't put country before party and do the deed.

Plumbthedepths

BluePlanet wrote: »

That'll be some look alright.
MLM hand on heart saying she tried to get a government setup to address our problems but FF/FG, the 2 parties that are identical and have always held the reigns of power, simply won't put country before party and do the deed.

In a nutshell.

Kivaro

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

SF doesn't have to scream for another election, if FF and FG don't agree to form a government with the support of a.n. other party after SF's doomed to fail attempts the only option is another election which according to the Journals Lise Hand terrifies FF and FG.

And that is exactly what we need.
There will be a new election soon. Sinn Fein will run a good deal more candidates and will win many more seats and will then become the biggest party in the State.
Fianna Fail and Fine Gael will continue to bleed out until such time that they will have to amalgamate to form a real centre party to represent a lot of people in this country with those views.

Then we will have the proper political structures in place for real progress i.e. a centre Party and a strong left-leaning party. The fringe too-left and too-right parties will fade into insignificance.

Mr Tickle

Kivaro wrote: »

And that is exactly what we need.


Then we will have the proper political structures in place for real progress i.e. a centre Party and a strong left-leaning party. The fringe too-left and too-right parties will fade into insignificance.

I do agree that those are needed in Ireland. Just out of interest though, Who's who?

Granny15

Morgans wrote: »

Has a socialist government anywhere spent 60-100bn upwards on bailing out banks? When its for a cause with political will, the money can be found and debt increased. The last thing the business classes want is for "socialism" to succeed anywhere.

Agreed and its these same bankers that wiped millions off stock market value of Irish companies when Sinn Fein got elected. They think they dictate the course of things but they are simply writing their own death warrants and that of international financial capitalism. The kind that goes into countries builds econometric models that predict exponential double digits economic growth and saddles them with debt. It uses the debt to bribe and blackmail them into following their distorted foreign policy. It's new age colonialism and it stinks to the highest heavens.

BarryD2

maccored wrote: »

Let FF anf FG form one. they are essentially the same party anyway

Agree in substance, but if they do form a coalition for practical reasons of running the state you can be sure they'll be HAMMERING home the message that SF have failed. The opposition can do all the sniping it wants but that message will be brought out at every possible opportunity.