One year in jail for five plants

SEPT 23 1989

So some lad who keeps to himself doing no harm to anyone gets sent down and the knackerbeasts with dozens of convictions are realeased to roam free in society causing destruction to all around them

Justice?

SEPT 23 1989

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AryaStark

Boggles wrote: »

TBF even after all these years I am still finding it hard to believe that kilo block of resin you had was for personal use.

But if you knew me back then then you would know how much i used to smoke!

Odhinn

AryaStark wrote: »

But if you knew me back then then you would know how much i used to smoke!

Plenty I knew spent all their waking days stoned. Self medication you might call it. I preferred to get baked at the days end after whatever tasks I had to carry out were done and dusted.

AryaStark

Odhinn wrote: »

Plenty I knew spent all their waking days stoned. Self medication you might call it. I preferred to get baked at the days end after whatever tasks I had to carry out were done and dusted.

Dont want to make myself out as a lazy bastard! I enjoyed my smoke and worked in Microsoft as a manager and in IT for years and have a very successful career... I also have a masters and never had any problem studying and getting good results. Smoked a lot but mainly after work.
Smoking doesnt suit a lot of people but it does suit some people.

steddyeddy

He's smoking a plant he grows himself, not hurting anyone or funding gangs and he gets arrested and put away for a year.

It's the arresting officer and judge who are dangers to society here.

steddyeddy

Bill 2.0 wrote: »

You can dress this up as some lad having a few plants for his personal use but it is still illegal.


People don't get to decide what laws should be enforced based on how they feel about them.


He knew the rules, he broke them and now he is going to face the consequences. That's how a society should work.

Depends completely on the laws. Some laws like this one are backward.

STB.

jh79 wrote: »

No i didn't , i said medical marijuana. Medical Marijuana normally refers to the whole plant or its extracts and contains THC and CBD

No you didn't say that. All through this, you have said that cannabis has no medical benefits nor is it approved by any medical regulatory authority. You started it all off on the limited mantra that you consistently post on about cannabis. I suggest you read what you posted.

jh79 wrote: »

Don't worry Prof R M in Israel has just developed a synthetic cannabinoid that might be a candidate for regulatory approval. Clinical trials are starting soon.

You could have saved yourself a lot of face palm if you had bothered to read my links in the first place Do you think that I don't know about the new methods they have developed. I wouldn't have pointed you to them otherwise.

Consider it an education. Like I said, you are a spoofer. I suspected as much anyway.

Dante7

jh79 wrote: »

Fair enough I was basing it on 5 mature plants and a yield of 7-8 oz in total. Had a brief foray into home grown in the early 2000's. Couldn't really risk it now with a job etc.

Once it is decriminalized i'll get a Seedmo mainly because i'm a lazy f*cker and hated having to look after them.

Ok, so you have grown a few plants yourself in the past and broke the law. You know that it is morally ok despite the current law. You know this man did nothing morally wrong, and yet you try to justify his sentence. Shame. Imagine you got locked up for a year in the Joy when you did exactly the same thing?

jh79

STB. wrote: »

No you didn't say that. All through this, you have said that cannabis has no medical benefits nor is it approved by any medical regulatory authority. You started it all off on the limited mantra that you consistently post on about cannabis. I suggest you read what you posted.



You could have saved yourself a lot of face palm if you had bothered to read my links in the first place Do you think that I don't know about the new methods they have developed. I wouldn't have pointed you to them otherwise.

Consider it an education. Like I said, you are a spoofer. I suspected as much anyway.

Epidilox is a specific cannabinoid not cannabis which is the whole plant or extract containing thc / cbd so try again.

"a dried preparation of the flowering tops or other parts of the cannabis plant, or a resinous extract of it ( cannabis resin ), smoked or consumed, generally illegally, as a psychoactive (mind-altering) drug."

jam_mac_jam

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Do the Gardai not have something better ro do. What a waste of everyone's time

Yea like collecting taxes lol

Mellor

Dante7 wrote: »

The €2k worth in the fridge was 80gm, less than three Oz. He only had three mature plants. Other two were such small seedlings that they couldn't be classified. No scales, no tic list, no baggies, no phone records indicating selling. A man, minding his own business, doing no harm to anyone else. It's very easy to argue that the judge was wrong, as the vast majority of posters here have.

I'd imagine the previous convictions for selling drugs were a large factor.

pure.conya

Mellor wrote: »

I'd imagine the previous convictions for selling drugs were a large factor.

22 years old dealing charge? anything more than a 5 spot back then and you got a technical dealing charge

Hego Damask

a f*cking disgrace, that judge should have his balls clipped

facehugger99

Most countries are moving to a decriminalisation or legalisation stance and we're locking up a lad for growing 5 plants.

This country is a joke in a lot of ways.


We should be seriously thinking of taking the supply of marijuana away from the criminals and taxing it. Imagine the additional money that could be generated.

That would require a mature conversation about it and it appears that we still have a long way to go.

The DPP and Guards should hang their heads in shame at this particular case.

Mellor

pure.conya wrote: »

22 years old dealing charge? anything more than a 5 spot back then and you got a technical dealing charge

It says 6 convictions dating back to 98, not that 98 was the most recent. Could have been possession in 98 and dealing in 2013. And it wasn’t a 5spot. As he was convicted of growing as well as dealing.
The judge would have know the exact details, unlike you or I or anyone here.

I’ve no problem with weed. I’ve smoked myself and support medical uses and decriminalisation.
But I’m also aware it’s illegal and “personal use” wears thin in the courts.
If somebody gets convicted repeatedly for drugs, gets convicted for growing weed and convicted for dealing. Does community service. Then gets caught growing again and with a few hundred grams. It’s kinda hard to convince the court that the slap on the wrist worked. I feel he could have made a better defense though.

STB.

jh79 wrote: »

Epidilox is a specific cannabinoid not cannabis which is the whole plant or extract containing thc / cbd so try again.

Don't try and move the goal posts. "Epidiolox" (Cannabidiol) is a major extract from the cannabis plant and accounts for up to 40% of the plant's extract.

Professor M published a paper on it after clinical trials in 1980. Similar deniers like yourself (who had not dedicated their life to extensive research on the plant) were responsible for it being shelved 38 years on the premise of no medical benefits. Infact the plant itself was illegal since the 1920's on the basis of US certification that it had no medical benefits. The rest of the world assumed that to be correct. We now see how wrong that was.

You are a spoofer.

jh79 wrote: »

By the way the Israeli guy has the exact same qualifications as me (Organic Chemistry). His research is all open label and not sufficient evidence to claim a medical benefit.

jh79 wrote: »

So pick one of his papers which you think proves cannabis is a medicine.

jh79 wrote: »

Show me evidence that the plant is better than placebo for any illness.

Regulatory bodies don't carry out studies they assess them. If the studies were of sufficient quality Prof M would of submitted them.

FishOnABike

Hego Damask wrote: »

a f*cking disgrace, that judge should have his balls clipped

He has something of a reputation for doing things his own way.

jh79

STB. wrote: »

Don't try and move the goal posts. "Epidiolox" (Cannabidiol) is a major extract from the cannabis plant and accounts for up to 40% of the plant's extract.

Professor M published a paper on it after clinical trials in 1980. Similar deniers like yourself (who had not dedicated their life to extensive research on the plant) were responsible for it being shelved 38 years on the premise of no medical benefits. Infact the plant itself was illegal since the 1920's on the basis of US certification that it had no medical benefits. The rest of the world assumed that to be correct. We now see how wrong that was.

You are a spoofer.

As i said you obviously havn't a clue and just cutting and pasting stuff you don't understand.

Epidilox is not "medical marijuana". It is an FDA approved cannibinoid formulation derived from the plant.

Sativex is a purified combination of THC/CBD derived from the plant.

Neither of the above are proof that the whole plant or its extracts commonly sold in medical marijuana dispensaries in the US/Canada are medicine.

Each "strain" has different levels of THC/CBD and terpenes. Each are an entity it their own right and require their own clinical trials.

For someone claiming to be well versed the basics are really tripping you up.

pure.conya

STB. wrote: »

Infact the plant itself was illegal since the 1920's on the basis of US certification that it had no medical benefits. The rest of the world assumed that to be correct. We now see how wrong that was.

You are a spoofer.

https://uspatent6630507.com/

STB.

jh79 wrote: »

As i said you obviously havn't a clue and just cutting and pasting stuff you don't understand.

Epidilox is not "medical marijuana". It is an FDA approved cannibinoid formulation derived from the plant.

Neither of the above are proof that the whole plant or its extracts commonly sold in medical marijuana dispensaries in the US/Canada are medicine.

Each "strain" has different levels of THC/CBD and terpenes. Each are an entity it their own right and require their own clinical trials.

For someone claiming to be well versed the basics are really tripping you up.

You need to read what you are typing. You asked for just one medical paper that indicated that the plant or its extracts have medical benefits. Like any drugs simply sticking the whole plant up your backside will have limited uses.

I have had to correct you time and time again. I am not cutting and pasting stuff I don't understand. I am extracting answers for your questions. The answers just do not suit your agenda as they highlight that your closed mindset is stuck in understanding of 100 years ago.

I knew your knowledge was limited when you started commenting about what a plant produces and what you think are acceptable use. The simple matter is the plant and its hundreds of cannaboinids has unlimited medical use, not limited, but yet the plant needs to continue to be demonised, probably so pharmaceutical companies can figure a way to profiteer off it.

Like I said you are a spoofer and a crank. Your PHD in organic chemistry does nothing to forgive this.

STB.

For anyone who has a genuine interest in the medical side, here's what you are not told in tabloid headlines or by cranks. It contains extensive information from the Professor referenced by me in this thread and whom are esteemed poster jh79 thinks he is on par with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csbJnBKqwIw

jh79

STB. wrote: »

You need to read what you are typing. You asked for just one medical paper that indicated that the plant or its extracts have medical benefits. Like any drugs simply sticking the whole plant up your backside will have limited uses.

I have had to correct you time and time again. I am not cutting and pasting stuff I don't understand. I am extracting answers for your questions. The answers just do not suit your agenda as they highlight that your closed mindset is stuck in understanding of 100 years ago.

I knew your knowledge was limited when you started commenting about what a plant produce and what you think are acceptable use. The simple matter is the plant and its hundreds of cannaboinids has unlimited medical use, not limited, but yet the plant needs to continue to be demonised, probably so pharmaceutical companies can figure a way to profiteer off it.

Like I said you are a spoofer and a crank. Your PHD in organic chemistry does nothing to forgive this.

You provided a paper for a pharma produced cannabinoid not for medical marijuana or cannabis oil/extracts sold in medical marijuana dispensaries in the US/Canada.

You also said the FDA approved a cannabinoid in the 80's. Was that paper evidence for that?

STB.

pure.conya wrote: »

https://uspatent6630507.com/

Oh I know. The real reason cannabis has been kept a Schedule I drug and the world regulatory authorities have followed suit. Money.

jh79

STB. wrote: »

Oh I know. The real reason cannabis has been kept a Schedule I drug and the world regulatory authorities have followed suit. Money.

So you confused a patent with FDA approval ?

Mellor

jh79 wrote: »

Each "strain" has different levels of THC/CBD and terpenes. Each are an entity it their own right and require their own clinical trials.

Have you any evidence to back the part of bold up?

I fully understand how different strains will have different levels. But I’m not sure hiw you make the leap from there to requiring separate clinical trials?

For example, trials could prove that 10mg of a drug is an effective painkiller. If a product with 12mg is available. It’s unreasonable to say we have no idea how it works as no 12mg trial was conducted.

Urethral Buttercup

This poor soul gets a year in prison for cutting out the criminal middleman in his habitual drug use, meanwhile, in December:


"A man who was caught in possession of child pornography after being arrested for exposing his genitals near a child has been given a suspended sentence.

[...]

Judge Nolan said to imprison Edwards at this point would be unjust and imposed a two and a half year sentence which he suspended in full for two and a half years"

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/man-who-exposed-genitals-near-child-in-penneys-gets-suspended-sentence-1.4121871?mode=amp

STB.

jh79 wrote: »

You provided a paper for a pharma produced cannabinoid not for medical marijuana or cannabis oil/extracts sold in medical marijuana dispensaries in the US/Canada.

You also said the FDA approved a cannabinoid in the 80's. Was that paper evidence for that?

jh79 wrote: »

So you confused a patent with FDA approval ?

No I didn't. I'll put it in language that even a naysayer with a PHD in Organic Chemistry cannot attempt to undermine.

One more time, try and pay attention.

I linked a paper published from clinical trials using CBD for epilepsy carried out by Professor Raphael Mechoulam in 1980.

Chronic administration of cannabidiol to healthy volunteers and epileptic patients

It sat for 38 years without the pharmaceutical industry nor the regulatory authorities acting upon it as it wasn't widely accepted.

Suddenly in 2018 a product released under the name "Epidiolex" by GW was finally FDA approved in 2018 (they managed to patent it in 1999 despite it being a schedule 1 drug - i.e. one of of no medical use).

All referenced here.

https://www.ilae.org/journals/epigraph/epigraph-vol-21-issue-1-winter-2019/raphael-mechoulam-and-the-history-of-cannabis-research

fiona_b

Oh my and then you see all the robbers, criminals and politicians getting away with it.

STB.

Mellor wrote: »

Have you any evidence to back the part of bold up?

He doesn't. He's some lad who has done no worthwhile research himself and refuses to accept others, including those heading for Nobel prizes.


He is a spoofer. If you have followed his history of posting on cannabis you will see the trend which is no doubt agenda driven.