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The Curious Case of Violet-Anne Wynne
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Sorry what is that "fact" based on? :pac:
The government are legislators, they can bring in a law in a week to collect at source if they so choose. It's called a law.
They chose not to. It's as simple that.
I don't know what it is that you are suggesting. Is it that all rent be made payable by deduction from Social Welfare or wages ? Or is it just just arrears ?
Is SF proposing that all rent now becomes payable to the Revenue Commissioners? Would they support such a proposal if in in opposition (or government)? I doubt either of those things. And I doubt the Revenue Commissioners would even consider it.
Or is it just debt/arrears? This was proposed in relation to court fines back in 2013 but had to be scrapped at legislation stage as it was found to impractical and administratively too costly for legal reasons. A court order would have to be made for attachment (costs,etc) and then the courts could only deduct a marginal amount from a Social Welfare payment - something like €2 - €3 euro a week typically.
Maybe we could learn from other jurisdictions? How have the Executive in NI addressed the issue? They seem to have their own problems with social housing and with arrears, so maybe not much to learn from those clever clogs: https://thedetail.tv/articles/social-housing-bb946a8a-43df-450d-b8cd-66d71030cdf30 -
Hearing the SF TD down in Wicklow is an ‘interesting’ sort of lad.0
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JohnnyFlash wrote: »Hearing the SF TD down in Wicklow is an ‘interesting’ sort of lad.
Is this a rumour thread now?can I start posting rumours for FF FG TD's?0 -
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At the risk of breaking the Fatwa about highlighting anything unflattering about SF, how about the newly elected representative for Kildare North.
Some classsic anti-semetic diatribe plus other bunkum:
"Ms Cronin temporarily suspended her Twitter account containing over 125,300 tweets on Tuesday after the comment and news website, Gript, publicised a number of messages she had posted over a number of years.
They included a claim that European wars were instigated and funded by banks and the retweeting of a message that Hitler was a pawn for a bank owned by the Rothschild family.
Last November, Ms Cronin replied to an anonymous Twitter account which suggested “loads of judges are paedophiles” by saying: “Wouldn’t surprise me.”
She has also criticised the fluoridation of drinking water in Ireland as “poisoning our water”.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/new-sinn-f%C3%A9in-td-apologises-for-glib-off-the-cuff-tweets-1.41779150 -
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At the risk of breaking the Fatwa about highlighting anything unflattering about SF, how about the newly elected representatine for Kildare North.
Some classsic anti-semetic diatribe plus other bunkum:
"Ms Cronin temporarily suspended her Twitter account containing over 125,300 tweets on Tuesday after the comment and news website, Gript, publicised a number of messages she had posted over a number of years.
They included a claim that European wars were instigated and funded by banks and the retweeting of a message that Hitler was a pawn for a bank owned by the Rothschild family.
Last November, Ms Cronin replied to an anonymous Twitter account which suggested “loads of judges are paedophiles” by saying: “Wouldn’t surprise me.”
She has also criticised the fluoridation of drinking water in Ireland as “poisoning our water”.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/new-sinn-f%C3%A9in-td-apologises-for-glib-off-the-cuff-tweets-1.4177915
No need for a lunatic asylum in Ireland, stick them in SF and they will get voted in :P0 -
Let us do a fact-check on this.
We know that she has a partner and five kids, we know that the partner suffers from epilepsy and can't work. This is all public information. From that we can calculate her likely income:
https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/6aec4d-current-rates-of-payment-for-social-welfare-payments-sw19/
Assume that she is actively seeking work (and looking for election must qualify as such), then she is on €203 per week.
Presumably her partner, because he can't work with his illness is on disability benefit of €203 per week.
For each of the kids (assume they are under 12) they would get €36, which adds up to €180. That gives a total of €586 per week.
She would qualify for the carer's allowance as he is on disability benefit, but only at the half-rate, meaning that she would get another €109.50. Adding it all up would give here a weekly package of €695.50 per week, which translates into €36,291.19.
What else does she get from the State?
€960 a month in child benefit, €686 a year in Fuel Allowance.
Given that he would be on the disability, they would qualify for the household benefits package which would be worth around €840 a year.
https://www.gov.ie/en/service/e87d27-household-benefits-package/
Adding that up so far gives us €49,337.19. Oh, we have forgotten something.
Yes, of course, rent allowance or HAP, depending on which she qualifies for.
Then there is her free television licence and the medical card.
Wow, just wow.
Over 50k in benefits from the State plus medical card, plus other ancillaries. The poster you queried was actually correct. She might be worse off by becoming a TD.
Now, if you disagree with my calculations, let's see them.
its funny that people are giving out about this woman claiming so much in benefits - but SF have never been in government before so it's all the other parties responsible for having such generous and easily taken advantage of benefits in place to begin with!!!
yes SF want to retain these benefits - but they arent the party who implement them as they are now. it's every previous governments fault that these benefits are the way they are.
it proves that this country has been backwards for a very long time and it's no wonder that people voted in SF as the "party of change".
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They included a claim that European wars were instigated and funded by banks and the retweeting of a message that Hitler was a pawn for a bank owned by the Rothschild family.
Last November, Ms Cronin replied to an anonymous Twitter account which suggested “loads of judges are paedophiles” by saying: “Wouldn’t surprise me.”
She has also criticised the fluoridation of drinking water in Ireland as “poisoning our water”.
except - all of those things are true?!0 -
Shuhada Davitt wrote: »its funny that people are giving out about this woman claiming so much in benefits - but SF have never been in government before so it's all the other parties responsible for having such generous and easily taken advantage of benefits in place to begin with!!!
yes SF want to retain these benefits - but they arent the party who implement them as they are now. it's every previous governments fault that these benefits are the way they are.
it proves that this country has been backwards for a very long time and it's no wonder that people voted in SF as the "party of change".
so many little weasels in ireland
SF plans are not to stop this but increase it from what I can see......and the person who is working and earning a living will have to pay for it, 5% off people over 140k or something like that
Also just because these benefits are available doesnt mean it is right for people to break the books to rob the state blind, that is what this women has done and also a charity....a f**king charity. What sort of person robs off a charity?0 -
Shuhada Davitt wrote: »except - all of those things are true?!
What is true is that SF had no problem protecting pedophiles when it suited them
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zimmermania wrote:A jokeshop?,i wonder will she apply for income supplement and perhaps another carer while she is looking after the affairs of the nation?
who is gonna look after her kids0 -
JohnnyFlash wrote: »Hearing the SF TD down in Wicklow is an ‘interesting’ sort of lad.
What have you heard?0 -
Shuhada Davitt wrote: »its funny that people are giving out about this woman claiming so much in benefits - but SF have never been in government before so it's all the other parties responsible for having such generous and easily taken advantage of benefits in place to begin with!!!
yes SF want to retain these benefits - but they arent the party who implement them as they are now. it's every previous governments fault that these benefits are the way they are.
it proves that this country has been backwards for a very long time and it's no wonder that people voted in SF as the "party of change".
so many little weasels in ireland
Sinn Fein want to increase these benefits, and give each one of the claimants a free house with a garden for a trampoline.
But you are right, there are so many little weasels in Ireland, defending the rights of those who don't want to work.0 -
Shefwedfan wrote: »SF plans are not to stop this but increase it from what I can see......and the person who is working and earning a living will have to pay for it, 5% off people over 140k or something like that
Also just because these benefits are available doesnt mean it is right for people to break the books to rob the state blind, that is what this women has done and also a charity....a f**king charity. What sort of person robs off a charity?
well it does - if the benefits are there, and it's so easy to take advantage of them, and they are so high that it's a legitimate way of living, then it's the fault of the government for making it so.
sinn fein may wish to increase this, but that's nothing new for any government party. they know that there are lots of people who rely on these easy benefits, so most of the parties are OK with increasing, as they know who their voters are.
it actually turns my stomach , all that Leo nonsense about "the people who get up early to work" - it's so sanctimonious and such rubbish.
when did it become OK for the rich to dictate what is best for the average person?
i agree wholeheartedly that people earning over 90/100k a year SHOULD be taxed at the higher rate proposed. the only reason people would give out about this is because they want the rich to remain rich and the poor to get poorer.
then they will complain as petty crime rates soar such as burglaries and muggings, and for what? status? nobody cares if you're rich. nobody care's what car you drive and nobody cares that you went to university for a decade to line your pockets and buy material goods. that was a choice that these people made - they decided to do all that work knowing that they would be taxed. that life is not attractive to most.
i dont have any problem with that.
it's very quickly that people are forgetting about the sheer lunacy that was the previous government and their policies and lack of direction.
how SF can take any responsibility for the failings of a corrupt little bunch of weasels and pigs is beyond me.0 -
Shuhada Davitt wrote: »its funny that people are giving out about this woman claiming so much in benefits - but SF have never been in government before so it's all the other parties responsible for having such generous and easily taken advantage of benefits in place to begin with!!!
yes SF want to retain these benefits - but they arent the party who implement them as they are now. it's every previous governments fault that these benefits are the way they are.
it proves that this country has been backwards for a very long time and it's no wonder that people voted in SF as the "party of change".
so many little weasels in ireland
This issue comes to the heart of the ideological debate. SF haven't met a welfare recipient they wouldn't want to increase payments to or ensure the government lays off with things like job activation programs. In my view, this actually reduces the welfare available for the hard up cases when it has to be spread so thin. And yes the entire body politik is responsible for this situation, but there is no doubt that SFs policies are for more welfare and more taxes to pay for it.
As to supporting tax increases, SF want to increase the effective top marginal rate of income tax from 52% to 57%; or 60% of you're self employed. This is ridiculous. Ireland is already near the top of the OECD tax table for high earners whilst being near the bottom for lower earners - ie, we have a very narrow tax base. Having a narrow tax base is just bad policy, it helped undermine our public finances before the recession and saw us bring in draconian tax measures to try and steady the ship suddenly that led to further downturn.
But aside from the economic argument, I would contend that it is ideologically wrong to give over more than 50% of what you earn to the government, at any income level. That goes from taxing your fair share to daylight robbery.
And then SF want to divert this money into the pocket of career welfare recipients like Ms Wynne. How wonderful.0 -
Shuhada Davitt wrote: »well it does - if the benefits are there, and it's so easy to take advantage of them, and they are so high that it's a legitimate way of living, then it's the fault of the government for making it so.
sinn fein may wish to increase this, but that's nothing new for any government party. they know that there are lots of people who rely on these easy benefits, so most of the parties are OK with increasing, as they know who their voters are.
it actually turns my stomach , all that Leo nonsense about "the people who get up early to work" - it's so sanctimonious and such rubbish.
when did it become OK for the rich to dictate what is best for the average person?
i agree wholeheartedly that people earning over 90/100k a year SHOULD be taxed at the higher rate proposed. the only reason people would give out about this is because they want the rich to remain rich and the poor to get poorer.
then they will complain as petty crime rates soar such as burglaries and muggings, and for what? status? nobody cares if you're rich. nobody care's what car you drive and nobody cares that you went to university for a decade to line your pockets and buy material goods. that was a choice that these people made - they decided to do all that work knowing that they would be taxed. that life is not attractive to most.
i dont have any problem with that.
it's very quickly that people are forgetting about the sheer lunacy that was the previous government and their policies and lack of direction.
how SF can take any responsibility for the failings of a corrupt little bunch of weasels and pigs is beyond me.
What a load of rubbish.
If you just want to tax the crap out of people who get off their ass and work then what happens when they get pi**ed off and stop working. Decide they want to sit at home all day and do nothing.
The rich get richer because they go to work, the poor get poorer because in some cases they are a shower of wasters who dont want anything better for themselves or their kids. Not hard to find.
The only weasels and pigs around Ireland are the wasters sitting on social welfare who will never work and expect everything to be handed to them for free.......
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Before the recession in 2008 we had tens of thousands of people on "long term unemployment" at a time when we were importing hundreds of thousands of workers into all skill levels of jobs. After the IMF came in they looked at us allowing people to claim jobseekers almost without limits and said, nope, you need limits and job activation programs.
All of a sudden we went from having 500 people per year leaving the workforce to classify as "disabled" to 7,500 per year doing the same. You'd think we'd had a Chernobyl style event and sadly had to send tens of thousands of liquidators in to solve the problem at great personal cost to their health. What actually happened was that plenty of cases of disability arose in conjunction with tougher rules on taking the dole that actually tried to get the scroungers off their arses and the government doesn't want to shake the stick too much as times are good and we constantly get brow bet with sob stories about disability claimants who are, in fact, simply lifer welfare scroungers taking away resources from the truly needy. By 2016 we had roughly the same number of new disabled claimants as we had previously had long term unemployed pre-recession. Fancy that.
SF likes these scroungers because if they can go down and give them a lift to the polling station, they'll vote for the party promising them more of the same.0 -
Shuhada Davitt wrote: »well it does - if the benefits are there, and it's so easy to take advantage of them, and they are so high that it's a legitimate way of living, then it's the fault of the government for making it so.
sinn fein may wish to increase this, but that's nothing new for any government party. they know that there are lots of people who rely on these easy benefits, so most of the parties are OK with increasing, as they know who their voters are.
it actually turns my stomach , all that Leo nonsense about "the people who get up early to work" - it's so sanctimonious and such rubbish.
when did it become OK for the rich to dictate what is best for the average person?
i agree wholeheartedly that people earning over 90/100k a year SHOULD be taxed at the higher rate proposed. the only reason people would give out about this is because they want the rich to remain rich and the poor to get poorer.
then they will complain as petty crime rates soar such as burglaries and muggings, and for what? status? nobody cares if you're rich. nobody care's what car you drive and nobody cares that you went to university for a decade to line your pockets and buy material goods. that was a choice that these people made - they decided to do all that work knowing that they would be taxed. that life is not attractive to most.
i dont have any problem with that.
it's very quickly that people are forgetting about the sheer lunacy that was the previous government and their policies and lack of direction.
how SF can take any responsibility for the failings of a corrupt little bunch of weasels and pigs is beyond me.
What's an 'easy benefit'?
If you tax it, they'll have to increase it to make up the loss. It's based on need, therefore taxing it will require it to be raised.
You'll note Varadkar didn't release a campaign and accompanying number for insurance fraud, banking irregularities etc. They was on purpose. They want working tax payers looking at their neighbours, not them.This issue comes to the heart of the ideological debate. SF haven't met a welfare recipient they wouldn't want to increase payments to or ensure the government lays off with things like job activation programs. In my view, this actually reduces the welfare available for the hard up cases when it has to be spread so thin. And yes the entire body politik is responsible for this situation, but there is no doubt that SFs policies are for more welfare and more taxes to pay for it.
......And then SF want to divert this money into the pocket of career welfare recipients like Ms Wynne. How wonderful.
Links to any of this or is it a guess fueled by your rage for the FG/FF system we have?Shefwedfan wrote: »What a load of rubbish.
If you just want to tax the crap out of people who get off their ass and work then what happens when they get pi**ed off and stop working. Decide they want to sit at home all day and do nothing.
The rich get richer because they go to work, the poor get poorer because in some cases they are a shower of wasters who dont want anything better for themselves or their kids. Not hard to find.
The only weasels and pigs around Ireland are the wasters sitting on social welfare who will never work and expect everything to be handed to them for free.......
Ireland has to stop taxing the s**t out of decent people to pay a shower of wasters
How do you think low paid workers feel needing state aid to pay rent?
This is a very ignorant and naive view.
When you are born into wealth or some form of financial stability it can be a little easier to have a wealthy or successful career of your own. If you haven't got the points for university you can pay to go private for example. If your family own property, you'll likely inherit it and so on. Lots of benefits. It's not a bad thing, but it does not automatically equate to working any harder than anyone else.
You work in a low paying job for 40/50 years living in a rental maybe social and have some bright light call you lazy or say you've no interest in a better life for yourself or your kids, whinge about you looking for a foreva home because you needed state aid to afford rent and then for a final slap in the face are told you need sign on welfare a year before your pension kicks in, only to be viewed as a sponger, and then revisit this little slice of bullsh*t you typed and see how much of a fool you feel.
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No party will get anywhere looking to placate them that won't work, for a number of reasons. They are doing alright under FF/FG, why risk a good thing? We have high employment, there cannot be that many of them. The working tax paying majority would be rightly pissed off. It makes no sense.
It's unfounded scaremonger bullsh*t from the FF/FG lobby, who ironically whinge the most about what their own party of choice allows go on.0 -
This issue comes to the heart of the ideological debate. SF haven't met a welfare recipient they wouldn't want to increase payments to or ensure the government lays off with things like job activation programs. In my view, this actually reduces the welfare available for the hard up cases when it has to be spread so thin. And yes the entire body politik is responsible for this situation, but there is no doubt that SFs policies are for more welfare and more taxes to pay for it.
As to supporting tax increases, SF want to increase the effective top marginal rate of income tax from 52% to 57%; or 60% of you're self employed. This is ridiculous. Ireland is already near the top of the OECD tax table for high earners whilst being near the bottom for lower earners - ie, we have a very narrow tax base. Having a narrow tax base is just bad policy, it helped undermine our public finances before the recession and saw us bring in draconian tax measures to try and steady the ship suddenly that led to further downturn.
But aside from the economic argument, I would contend that it is ideologically wrong to give over more than 50% of what you earn to the government, at any income level. That goes from taxing your fair share to daylight robbery.
And then SF want to divert this money into the pocket of career welfare recipients like Ms Wynne. How wonderful.
None of this is surprising, given that their political hero seems to be Maduro in Venezuela. https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/ourview/sf-duo-at-farce-inauguration-caracas-tops-coalisland-for-sinn-fein-897352.html
That Socialist nirvana combined massive spending on social housing and healthcare, together with taxation and the creaming of company profits. Unfortunately the massive public spending resulted in widespread corruption and the enrichment of cronies while inflation soared to something like 1,000,000% in 2018. The national oil company (the cash cow) had so much profit and assets stripped off for government spending that it was unable to maintain its infrastrucure which is now malfunctioning and decrepit.
Meanwhile up to 6,000,000 people have fled the country (comparable to the Syrian civil war refugee numbers), while 90% of those remaining are reduced to poverty. Services barely function or don't function at all.
https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/venezuela-crisis-facts-to-know-poverty/
On top of all this the rule of law has almost disappeared. Venezuela was rated 126 in the World Justice Projects' Rule of Law Index last year (that is out of 126!) and behind some stalwarts such as Afghanistan, Pakistan and Zimbabwe:https://worldjusticeproject.org/sites/default/files/documents/WJP_RuleofLawIndex_2019_Website_reduced.pdf0 -
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What's an 'easy benefit'?
If you tax it, they'll have to increase it to make up the loss. It's based on need, therefore taxing it will require it to be raised.
You'll note Varadkar didn't release a campaign and accompanying number for insurance fraud, banking irregularities etc. They was on purpose. They want working tax payers looking at their neighbours, not them.
Links to any of this or is it a guess fueled by your rage for the FG/FF system we have?
How do you think low paid workers feel needing state aid to pay rent?
This is a very ignorant and naive view.
When you are born into wealth or some form of financial stability it can be a little easier to have a wealthy or successful career of your own. If you haven't got the points for university you can pay to go private for example. If your family own property, you'll likely inherit it and so on. Lots of benefits. It's not a bad thing, but it does not automatically equate to working any harder than anyone else.
You work in a low paying job for 40/50 years living in a rental maybe social and have some bright light call you lazy or say you've no interest in a better life for yourself or your kids, whinge about you looking for a foreva home because you needed state aid to afford rent and then for a final slap in the face are told you need sign on welfare a year before your pension kicks in, only to be viewed as a sponger, and then revisit this little slice of bullsh*t you typed and see how much of a fool you feel.
Boo hoo
I worked my way to where I am, no rich kid or free house. That’s what people do
It the waster that uses the excuse that everyone who has a job got it because of parents....just because they are too lazy to get it themselves0 -
Links to any of this or is it a guess fueled by your rage for the FG/FF system we have?
How about their manifesto? Look on the final 2 pages for the summary of financial measures. €12.2bn in increased government current expenditure, much of it focused on social welfare recipients from the enumerated items above in the manifesto.
Meanwhile, elsewhere on their site we'll find they're looking to end programs like JobPath that seek to push unemployed people to find and take work. We had nothing like this pre-2008 when we had over 30,000 people on long term (over 1 year) unemployment benefits despite importing literally hundreds of thousands of people to work in all kinds of jobs in Ireland. And today we're pushing on with the highest level of employment ever recorded in Ireland by number of people in jobs. But lets end programs that might inconvenience the truly lazy while we give them more benefits and jack up taxes on people who do well to compensate for it.0 -
Shefwedfan wrote: »Boo hoo
I worked my way to where I am, no rich kid or free house. That’s what people do
It the waster that uses the excuse that everyone who has a job got it because of parents....just because they are too lazy to get it themselves
As I say, ignorant and naive view.
Do you believe that some, (let's say the vast majority) Irish people work hard every day just to get by, some don't quite earn enough and struggle, are lazy and don't want anything better for themselves and their kids? You believe they could be wealthy if they weren't so lazy? Really? And your attitude is 'boo hoo'?0 -
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Shefwedfan wrote: »What is true is that SF had no problem protecting pedophiles when it suited them
The rest is just gossip
FF are partial to it too
They even knock on the doors of the victims while canvasing
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This issue comes to the heart of the ideological debate. SF haven't met a welfare recipient they wouldn't want to increase payments to or ensure the government lays off with things like job activation programs. In my view, this actually reduces the welfare available for the hard up cases when it has to be spread so thin. And yes the entire body politik is responsible for this situation, but there is no doubt that SFs policies are for more welfare and more taxes to pay for it.
As to supporting tax increases, SF want to increase the effective top marginal rate of income tax from 52% to 57%; or 60% of you're self employed. This is ridiculous. Ireland is already near the top of the OECD tax table for high earners whilst being near the bottom for lower earners - ie, we have a very narrow tax base. Having a narrow tax base is just bad policy, it helped undermine our public finances before the recession and saw us bring in draconian tax measures to try and steady the ship suddenly that led to further downturn.
But aside from the economic argument, I would contend that it is ideologically wrong to give over more than 50% of what you earn to the government, at any income level. That goes from taxing your fair share to daylight robbery.
And then SF want to divert this money into the pocket of career welfare recipients like Ms Wynne. How wonderful.
But Irelands wages are extremely high, so it makes sense that we would also be at the top of the OECD table. I think if you are one of these people who ideologically believes that you work harder than others, then you deserve to be taxed hard.
of course there are plenty of spongers who wont work or wont leave the benefits system - but that is my point - it's set up in such a way that they dont have to. it's FG and FF policies that have it this way in the first place. Margaret Cash springs to mind.
the point i'm making is, that people who are fortunate enough to be on these wages, are usually from fairly wealthy backgrounds to begin with, usually the sort who can afford to go through university, who's parents hadnt been alcoholics, or drug abusers, who had things a bit easier from the get-go.
some people are born into poverty and no amount of the likes of Bill Cullen or whoever saying that they "worked their way up" makes it any easier for these people in reality. that's basically a disney fantasy to them.
it's the ignorance of the wealthy - ignorant of their own privilege in life that are making the most noise about this so-called "tax on the rich". they dont deserve to go on like that - they have had it a lot easier in life than a lot of the people who are on low wages, came from absolutely nothing, hard lives from the get-go to work in a low-paid job til they're 70. it's nothing to do with laziness in a lot of cases.
so i dont buy into the idea that "SF only want to raise taxes on the rich to pay for the spongers on the dole". yeah, naturally some of that tax take will be doled out to these losers (pardon the pun) but most people i know who are in social housing are working, albeit in minimum wage jobs - but this is the best that some people can achieve in life - and for rich people who take for granted their own wealthy upbringing just sounds like a spoilt brat having a tantrum to me. tbh0 -
How about their manifesto? Look on the final 2 pages for the summary of financial measures. €12.2bn in increased government current expenditure, much of it focused on social welfare recipients from the enumerated items above in the manifesto.
Meanwhile, elsewhere on their site we'll find they're looking to end programs like JobPath that seek to push unemployed people to find and take work. We had nothing like this pre-2008 when we had over 30,000 people on long term (over 1 year) unemployment benefits despite importing literally hundreds of thousands of people to work in all kinds of jobs in Ireland. And today we're pushing on with the highest level of employment ever recorded in Ireland by number of people in jobs. But lets end programs that might inconvenience the truly lazy while we give them more benefits and jack up taxes on people who do well to compensate for it.
Welfare gets raised all the time. People are deemed in need.
I don't see anything about career welfare people or the like.
You really think they want to end it because it's an inconvenience to the truly lazy?
What is the end game here do you think? SF have everyone on the dole in free houses with a few idiots too dumb to stop working propping up the majority? That's sheer fantasy.
We are 5th in the world per capita for most billionaires and have worsening crises in various areas, with an outgoing government that was successful in selling people on it being their neighbour and those worse off at fault causing the societal woes. The homeless were mostly pretending, the hospital trolley crowding was mostly people with a cough not bothered going to the doctor etc. Despicable. We need to bring the scales back in balance for the tax paying worker. I don't think SF are the ideal party by a long stretch but we need to get away from FF/FG.0 -
As I say, ignorant and naive view.
Do you believe that some, (let's say the vast majority) Irish people work hard every day just to get by, some don't quite earn enough and struggle, are lazy and don't want anything better for themselves and their kids? You believe they could be wealthy if they weren't so lazy? Really? And your attitude is 'boo hoo'?
Yes, boo hoo
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Shefwedfan wrote: »Boo hoo
I worked my way to where I am, no rich kid or free house. That’s what people do
It the waster that uses the excuse that everyone who has a job got it because of parents....just because they are too lazy to get it themselves
what about the fact that a lot of people in Ireland have had pretty hard lives, born into absolutely futile situations? people who genuinely can not "work their way to the top"...
your ego and pride makes statements such as "i worked my way to where i am"... good for you - you are where YOU want to be - it's not what others would consider where they want to be in life.
and, you are "poor" to a lot of other people in the world0 -
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Shefwedfan wrote: »What is true is that SF had no problem protecting pedophiles when it suited them
The rest is just gossip
Not SF policy I'm aware of.
Have you heard of the Catholic Church?0
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