The Curious Case of Violet-Anne Wynne

mikethecop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118748037#Comment_118748037

doesnt seem to be such a massive problem in other parties , different lifestyles i wonder ?

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118749690#Comment_118749690

Its sadly pretty common. Thats the issue right? Concern on the treatment of women, not using victims and alleged victims for point scoring, yeah?

atticu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118750796#Comment_118750796

So, you don't have any problem with bulling going on in SF.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118751573#Comment_118751573

I've a problem with bullying, not just because its Sinn Fein.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118750796#Comment_118750796

It seems that you are more concerned about the effect on Sinn Fein politically than the plight of the women being bullied within Sinn Fein.

You remind me of Lord Denning:

http://www.mactheknife.org/Quotations/Appalling_Vista.html

"If the six men win, it will mean that the police are guilty of perjury, that they are guilty of violence and threats, that the confessions were invented and improperly admitted in evidence and the convictions were erroneous... This is such an appalling vista that every sensible person in the land would say that it cannot be right that these actions should go any further."

You are more or less saying that if the women being bullied by Sinn Fein win their case, it will mean that Sinn Fein are guilty of perjury, that they are guilty of violence and threats, that the investigations were invented and that Sinn Fein will suffer politically, that other posters will be right and that is such an appalling vista that every sensible person in the land would say that it cannot be right that this thread should continue to discuss the matter.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118751680#Comment_118751680

Uproar, and 'the country is in a state of chasis' about something that looks more like politics not being what somebody expected and a rude comment but when a Dáil report was published about behaviour there from politicians it gathers dust on a shelf somewhere.

Agendas agendas.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118752605#Comment_118752605

Is this because I accused you and the team of being more concerned about getting a win over SF than concern for the woman youse bullied and harangued for years?

You won't find a quote of me defending SF or any bully. I'll call out hypocrisy, sure.

mikethecop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118751680#Comment_118751680

but its mostly just sf that have a problem with bullying it seems ,

of course this has been pointed out with links and stats to you already bruice

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118754650#Comment_118754650

Really? Haven't noticed. Maybe don't support them? I get the impression you're more interested in SF than VAW. If she was leaving another party you wouldn't give a ****. Am I right?

I saw you post articles on SF.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118754650#Comment_118754650

Maybe you really meant to say it is 'just' a select few who think only SF have an issue. When it is actually a politics in general issue.

Staff left in tears and stressed out after bullying by TDs and senators - Independent.ie

Women’s caucus to look into bullying in the Dáil (irishexaminer.com)

Dáil women's caucus calls for audit of harassment and bullying in the Oireachtas (thejournal.ie)

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118754791#Comment_118754791

Whataboutism 101 Francie.

It is amazing you display so much concern over bullying now after SF have been implicated in this behaviour.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118754817#Comment_118754817

Funny you should say that on a thread like this one.

If you don't want to be corrected don't make false statements. It is not 'just' one specific party (people like to make it about one) but all party's and politics in general.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118754817#Comment_118754817

Sorry Mark. Mike said it was mostly a shinner problem so how do you refute that without mentioning others? This ain't the shinner thread but you could try your luck and make a report. One sided discussion gets a bit boring.

Glad to see people cut VAW a break. It was terrible the way she was hounded on here. Men always men etc.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118754854#Comment_118754854

The guy concerned about a woman, doesn't want other bullied women mentioned. Who'd have thought eh?

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118754875#Comment_118754875

Discrimination towards bullied woman who aren't useful. Nice.

mary 2021

the old TD salary is good enough to employ a fulltime house keeper to mind the kids if the woman wants to be in politics then hire a good house keeper a live in one and give her a small car to drive the kids to school.

padd b1975

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118754913#Comment_118754913

Maybe that waster she's married to could finally step up.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118754742#Comment_118754742

Well, if you haven't noticed that the bullying problem is bigger in Sinn Fein than elsewhere, you have being going around like the ostrich in the sand.

Fair play to Francie for digging every small nugget of whataboutery that he could find in a failed attempt to shift the issue onto everyone, but the list of women bullied out of Sinn Fein or bullied by Sinn Fein is far longer than any other party.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118755353#Comment_118755353

The issue is much bigger than 'just' SF, which is what the poster claimed. Sorry blanch. correcting wrong statements is not 'whataboutery'.

You and a certain cohort, so concerned about the victim always. only want the light shone one way. That is quite evident by now...fair play!

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118755374#Comment_118755374

If you want to be truly accurate (and I am sure you don't), then the accurate picture is that it is a huge problem in Sinn Fein and it is a tiny bit bigger if you include all other parties.

That tiny bit bigger shouldn't distract anyone from the fact that it is a huge problem in Sinn Fein, and anyone who is using that tiny bit to distract from the huge problem in Sinn Fein is effectively acting as an apologist for Sinn Fein and a defender of the misogynistic culture within Sinn Fein.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118755508#Comment_118755508

I think it is more than clear now that the 'problem' is the SF agenda.

People for instance jumping on what was an offensive, rude remark and hanging the person for misogyny which requires a far higher bar to be reached and a much more insightful process to prove.

Losing the run of themselves to put it another way. Like Regina jumping on the same bandwagon with the same agenda and claiming she had evidence of 40 abusers within SF...NONE of which ever materialised.

Only the blind would not get the drift of what is going on. 'Truly accurate' indeed.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118755580#Comment_118755580

There you go again, downplaying misogyny because it involves Sinn Fein. Fairly standard, very disgusting.

Sure, you will be back to telling us that Mairia Cahill agreed to be abused by the kangaroo court, that is if you believe that it even happened.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118755616#Comment_118755616

Ah Mairia, quickly forgotten and cast aside too, once her usefulness was exhausted.

Obscene really, how women are used by those touting this agenda. Anyone could see what was happening if they looked to all the victims the government of the time were ignoring.

Quite similar to this case, a woman once vilified when she was a member of a certain organisation, used to champion a cause against that organisation when she made allegations, those who have a penchant for hanging on the foot of an allegation (if it is against a certain organisation0 tripping over themselves to volte face and get the digs in, certainly not for any concern for what she had allegedly suffered at the hands of her abuser/rapist.

The hypocrisy is all there for those who wish to see it.

mikethecop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118754742#Comment_118754742

we already had this conversation bruice and you and francie were exposed again , not going around in circles with ye again its just sad for ye a this stage

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118755648#Comment_118755648

Not at all, not forgotten, not cast aside, I keep an eye on Mairia's social media, offering support where relevant. I am sure that you are an avid reader of her independent columns.

What is obscene is how women are treated by people like Sinn Fein and how posters try to brush it under the carpet and try to make it about the poster who raised it than about the issue itself.

End of the day, Francie, are you going to condemn the way that Mairia Cahill was treated by Sinn Fein or the misogyny that VAW was subject to from people in Sinn Fein? Are you going to look for public apologies and offers of resignation? Like hell you will.

So put that criticism of others back in your pocket, sit down and do yourself a favour by not exposing how little you support women abused by Sinn Fein and how much you castigate those who raised these issues on behalf of those women as if those who raise the issues are the problem.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118755685#Comment_118755685

'Exposed'? 😁

I voted for SF mike, never hid the fact or pretended I voted for others.

If you think you are going to be allowed to lie that the party I chose to vote is 'just' the one with a problem, thereby implying I am somehow complicit in it, you have another thing coming.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118755744#Comment_118755744

Mairia is sadly just another useful selective victim blanch, dragged out with one goal in mind - you did it just now yourself.

As pathetic as it is predictable. VAW will no doubt be added to the selective list.

I don't use the victims of abuse or alleged abuse in other parties in that way. I would never say their abuse or alleged abuse occurred specifically because they were in one particular party nor blame the party ideology. Abuse happens because of the person and their character not because they have certain political beliefs.

That's the obscenity of your agenda.

atticu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118751680#Comment_118751680

I have read your posts in this thread, and that does not seem to be the case.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118755909#Comment_118755909

All you have to do is look at the reaction when 'bullying elsewhere' is mentioned. Suddenly those concerned are upset it is mentioned. 😁 It's not about victims therefore but the 'topic'.

atticu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118755930#Comment_118755930

I have no idea what you are on about.

But, having read your posts on this thread, it would seem that you are not concerned with the bulling going on in SF.