Corona virus in waterford

Wanderer78

BBM77 wrote: »

The restrictions made sense when they were on a county by county basis. Makes no sense to be increasing restrictions in a city/county with one person in hospital with COVID-19 and among the lowest incidence rate in the country. Politicians are fond of saying COVID-19 cases are not just numbers they are people and families. The economic suffering is not just statistics either they are people and families too. A lot of people seem to be just blinding excepting restrictions as a way to deal with COVID-19. They don’t work, we are in no better a position than we were in March. The restrictions are just creating economic problems on top of a pandemic.

yes you are right in many ways, but again, its clearly obvious our health system probably doesnt have the capacity to deal with this escalating further, our governments fiscal thinking is simply defaulting, this is extremely dangerous right now, rising deficits are fine, far safer than pushing this requirement out to the private sector

OhToBeByTheSea

Flow Motion wrote: »

Check out what Dr. David Nabarro, the WHO's Special Envoy on Covid said recently. Dr Nabarro made the statements in an interview with The Spectator.

"The only time we believe a lockdown in justified is to buy you time to reorganise, regroup, rebalance your resources; protect your health workers who are exhausted," Dr Nabarro said."But by and large, we'd rather not do it."Dr Nabarro told The Spectator the economic impact on small countries that rely on tourism and increased poverty levels are two major effects of shutting communities down.

"We really do appeal to all world leaders, stop using lockdown as your primary method of control," he said. "Lockdowns have just one consequence that you must never ever belittle, and that is making poor people an awful lot poorer."
Just for a bit of context again. He works for the World Health Organisation! When you have a person in this this position and calibre voicing this you wonder WTF the Govt here in Ireland is at?? And the media too - since talk of moving to Level 5 last Sunday that has been the primary topic of conversation. Makes you wonder

When wondering "WTF the Govt here in Ireland is at??" you might consider this sentence from the piece you quoted:

The only time we believe a lockdown in justified is to buy you time to reorganise, regroup, rebalance your resources; protect your health workers who are exhausted

Our healthcare system was falling apart long before covid19, it is not going to cope well if the numbers continue to rise as they have over the past 14 days.


We have to consider Ireland as a whole when it comes to available hospital beds because, when there are no beds available in other counties, patients will have to be transferred to counties where there are beds so, although the beds in Waterford are not yet full and our numbers are relatively "okay", if the numbers continue to rise elsewhere, our beds will fill up too.

Flow Motion

OhToBeByTheSea wrote: »

When wondering "WTF the Govt here in Ireland is at??" you might consider this sentence from the piece you quoted:

Maybe you should come away from the sea and place your feet on dry land to ground yourself. Catastrophic thinking is not the way to go. We are not a third world county. The hospitals have not been overwhelmed. There was 160 in ICU @ the peak last April - yesterday there were 30. Our numbers are stable. The number of people in hospital @ April peak was 879 - yesterday 201. So approx an average of 75% less now that @ the height of the pandemic then! There are also private hospitals that could share the burden. Remember all that talk of building building field hospitals back in March?? The Budget 2021 is announced tomorrow - 4 billion for healthcare half of which is Covid related. Perhaps a bit of positive thinking should be on your shopping list?

Wanderer78

Flow Motion wrote:

Maybe you should come away from the sea and place your feet on dry land to ground yourself. Catastrophic thinking is not the way to go. We are not a third world county. The hospitals have not been overwhelmed. There was 160 in ICU @ the peak last April - yesterday there were 30. Our numbers are stable. The number of people in hospital @ April peak was 879 - yesterday 201. So approx an average of 75% less now that @ the height of the pandemic then! There are also private hospitals that could share the burden. Remember all that talk of building building field hospitals back in March?? The Budget 2021 is announced tomorrow - 4 billion for healthcare half of which is Covid related. Perhaps a bit of positive thinking should be on your shopping list?

We also need to be realistic, it's clearly obvious the system is quickly running out of capacity right now, it's also important to realise, it takes time to turn that increase in budget into actual capacity, also noting, some of that money will never go towards increasing capacity

spookwoman

Other difference back in april was they had stopped pretty much all non emergency treatments and appointments to keep the beds clear.

spookwoman

Back up to 2 vacant Critical Care beds but we also have 2 suspected cases in Critical Care.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid19-daily-operations-update-2000-11-october-2020.pdf

OhToBeByTheSea

Flow Motion wrote: »

Maybe you should come away from the sea and place your feet on dry land to ground yourself. Catastrophic thinking is not the way to go. We are not a third world county. The hospitals have not been overwhelmed. There was 160 in ICU @ the peak last April - yesterday there were 30. Our numbers are stable. The number of people in hospital @ April peak was 879 - yesterday 201. So approx an average of 75% less now that @ the height of the pandemic then! There are also private hospitals that could share the burden. Remember all that talk of building building field hospitals back in March?? The Budget 2021 is announced tomorrow - 4 billion for healthcare half of which is Covid related. Perhaps a bit of positive thinking should be on your shopping list?

Okay.

spookwoman

https://twitter.com/Deisesupes/status/1315663443391782912?s=20


PARENTS of children at Presentation Secondary School were informed today that “several staff members” were unable to attend school today due to being instructed by the HSE to restrict their movements.

The Waterford News & Star understands that the teachers – reportedly more than 12 – were close contacts of a positive case and are all now working from home. School Principal Orla Bolger informed parents today that the teachers are still in contact with their students to ensure that “teaching and learning continues”.

The letter went on to say that there would be no classes on Wednesday, October 14 “due to a scheduled staff training day” and that normal classes would resume on October 15.

smellyoldboot

Flow Motion wrote: »

Check out what Dr. David Nabarro, the WHO's Special Envoy on Covid said recently. Dr Nabarro made the statements in an interview with The Spectator.

"The only time we believe a lockdown in justified is to buy you time to reorganise, regroup, rebalance your resources; protect your health workers who are exhausted," Dr Nabarro said."But by and large, we'd rather not do it."Dr Nabarro told The Spectator the economic impact on small countries that rely on tourism and increased poverty levels are two major effects of shutting communities down.

"We really do appeal to all world leaders, stop using lockdown as your primary method of control," he said. "Lockdowns have just one consequence that you must never ever belittle, and that is making poor people an awful lot poorer."
Just for a bit of context again. He works for the World Health Organisation! When you have a person in this this position and calibre voicing this you wonder WTF the Govt here in Ireland is at?? And the media too - since talk of moving to Level 5 last Sunday that has been the primary topic of conversation. Makes you wonder

Context is key here though. While what he said is valid, what is happening here during lockdowns; PUP/EWSS and Business grants is not and is not possible in many many countries.

For now at least, we can "afford" lockdowns. There is economic damage but we are not making poor people any poorer in this country. Quite the opposite in fact, some low hours workers got quite a pay bump with PUP.

Wanderer78

smellyoldboot wrote: »

Context is key here though. While what he said is valid, what is happening here during lockdowns; PUP/EWSS and Business grants is not and is not possible in many many countries.

For now at least, we can "afford" lockdowns. There is economic damage but we are not making poor people any poorer in this country. Quite the opposite in fact, some low hours workers got quite a pay bump with PUP.

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smellyoldboot

Wanderer78 wrote: »

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I'm sorry. Had you got something to add?

Wanderer78

smellyoldboot wrote: »

Context is key here though. While what he said is valid, what is happening here during lockdowns; PUP/EWSS and Business grants is not and is not possible in many many countries.

For now at least, we can "afford" lockdowns. There is economic damage but we are not making poor people any poorer in this country. Quite the opposite in fact, some low hours workers got quite a pay bump with PUP.

smellyoldboot wrote: »

I'm sorry. Had you got something to add?

do the poor work?

smellyoldboot

Wanderer78 wrote: »

do the poor work?

They bloody should. Anyway do you have a point? We didn't reduce any SW payments either. If anybody has gotten poorer in this country it's business owners. That doesn't quite fit the narrative though.

Wanderer78

smellyoldboot wrote: »

They bloody should. Anyway do you have a point? We didn't reduce any SW payments either. If anybody has gotten poorer in this country it's business owners. That doesn't quite fit the narrative though.

what if they cant? you said its all in context, poverty is most certainly relative! theres no question low waged earners are getting screwed, they generally are always, business owners certainly are in serious trouble, and by the looks of it, so to will the banks they owe, very soon, i suspect! i think the government should be considering another bank guarantee, once again, or this could become very scary, very quickly!

smellyoldboot

Wanderer78 wrote: »

what if they cant? you said its all in context, poverty is most certainly relative! theres no question low waged earners are getting screwed, they generally are always, business owners certainly are in serious trouble, and by the looks of it, so to will the banks they owe, very soon, i suspect! i think the government should be considering another bank guarantee, once again, or this could become very scary, very quickly!

Always gonna be "poorer" people dude. The verdict on communism was decided a long time ago. Not getting into another discussion about why their wages are low but suffice to say, there are plenty avenues to escape that here if you put your head and heart into it. This isn't some 3rd world backwater. We have some of the highest social mobility in the world and score very well on the Human Development Index.

Wanderer78

smellyoldboot wrote: »

Always gonna be "poorer" people dude. The verdict on communism was decided a long time ago. Not getting into another discussion about why their wages are low but suffice to say, there are plenty avenues to escape that here if you put your head and heart into it. This isn't some 3rd world backwater. We have some of the highest social mobility in the world and score very well on the Human Development Index.

no clue where you re going with this to be honest, ive little or no interest in communism, capitalism has easily proven its advantages, plenty of research has shown, we dont all have equal opportunities in life, and as inequality increases, inequalities of opportunities also increases. yes we do score very well, but thats probably radically changing now, as inequality is rising, this is very noticeable with accommodation and health care system issues

smellyoldboot

Wanderer78 wrote: »

no clue where you re going with this to be honest, ive little or no interest in communism, capitalism has easily proven its advantages, plenty of research has shown, we dont all have equal opportunities in life, and as inequality increases, inequalities of opportunities also increases. yes we do score very well, but thats probably radically changing now, as inequality is rising, this is very noticeable with accommodation and health care system issues

And that kinda sucks but history and human nature shows: there is no equality between humans or any species in particular. Some people are bigger, stronger, some are smarter, some have less scruples. Any attempts at enforcing equality are contradictory to the natural order and will always eventually be futile.

There are some tasks that humans do that are more valuable to companies and private people, not necessarily society that will always result in higher compensation. What those particular tasks are changes over time but the core principle remains true. This is not "unfair", this is normal and perfectly natural. This will always be so.

Wanderer78

smellyoldboot wrote: »

And that kinda sucks but history and human nature shows: there is no equality between humans or any species in particular. Some people are bigger, stronger, some are smarter, some have less scruples. Any attempts at enforcing equality are contradictory to the natural order and will always eventually be futile.

There are some tasks that humans do that are more valuable to companies and private people, not necessarily society that will always result in higher compensation. What those particular tasks are changes over time but the core principle remains true. This is not "unfair", this is normal and perfectly natural. This will always be so.

its becoming more obvious now, if we continue with our current approach to life on this planet, it could very well end life for all, and i suspect god wont be allowing you to drag your wealth with you! its also disturbing, people try wrap darwin into these arguments to, just to try justify such stupidity. what is value? is it normal to potentially end all life on this planet?

smellyoldboot

A lost cause. The heart can only bleed so much.

Wanderer78

smellyoldboot wrote: »

A lost cause. The heart can only bleed so much.

we ve figured out how to make vast quantities of wealth, we just havent figured out how to distribute it very well, this is becoming an extremely urgent problem, for all, including ourselves, our pension funds dont look too healthy!

Aquos76

Waterford had an additional 9 cases reported in yesterday's numbers

Harry Palmr

Aquos76

The lower figure of less than 5 being reported today,(exact number will be confirmed tomorrow) I wonder is that just down to less people being tested on a Sunday?

smellyoldboot

Aquos76 wrote: »

The lower figure of less than 5 being reported today,(exact number will be confirmed tomorrow) I wonder is that just down to less people being tested on a Sunday?

I'd say we have a bit of a storm to ride out yet. The schools are only now starting to like their head above the parapet, when all logic based on practically ever other air/human contact transmitted disease suggests they should be hotbeds of transmission.

Will be a rare low number for the next few weeks is my estimate.

spookwoman

Aquos76 wrote: »

The lower figure of less than 5 being reported today,(exact number will be confirmed tomorrow) I wonder is that just down to less people being tested on a Sunday?

Very low testing numbers this sunday for labs 5048 compared to 11433 the day before and 11114 today

Aquos76

It’s seems Waterford has zero cases in the numbers which were announced this evening. That document posted today is a bit misleading as it indicated we had less than 5, I guess zero is less that 5 though

https://twitter.com/deisesupes/status/1315727758497062915?s=21

spookwoman

Aquos76 wrote: »

It’s seems Waterford has zero cases in the numbers which were announced this evening. That document posted today is a bit misleading as it indicated we had less than 5, I guess zero is less that 5 though

https://twitter.com/deisesupes/status/1315727758497062915?s=21

Suppose put in zero if he didn't know the number. Longford is the same yet on the chart it is 4

Aquos76

spookwoman wrote: »

Suppose put in zero if he didn't know the number. Longford is the same yet on the chart it is 4

Well at the press conference they did list 5 counties and said the balance was spread over a further 20 counties, which leave one county without a single case. As your figures indicate, there was a very low level of tests carried out on Sunday, so I wouldn't be getting our hopes up just yet.

spookwoman

Aquos76 wrote: »

Well at the press conference they did list 5 counties and said the balance was spread over a further 20 counties, which leave one county without a single case. As your figures indicate, there was a very low level of tests carried out on Sunday, so I wouldn't be getting our hopes up just yet.

Hopefully zero and not another typo

spookwoman

Still 2 suspected in critical care. 3 Critical care beds free but 1 general bed free now.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid-19-daily-operations-update-2000-12-october-2020.pdf