Corona virus in waterford

Aquos76

Hard to see how this advice can actually be ignored for a second time now.

Flow Motion

mooseknunkle wrote: »

Level 5 for six weeks being recommended now!

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/nphet-recommends-level-5-restrictions-for-entire-country-for-six-weeks-39631457.html

NPHET is really putting the gun up to the Govt's head with this one. Thing is in 6 weeks time, early December everything slowly opens up again in time for Christmas, people will naturally let their guard down again (like during the Summer), cases will spike again and come March we will be back into Lockdown#3. To be repeated ad infinitum sadly:(
Go for broke and try for a Zero Covid island of Ireland. Otherwise it will be a groundhog day existence for a number of years and we will slowly become a nation of zombies.
Just one last point on level 5 : schools remain open but you are supposed to only travel 5k from your home? A fair proportion of pupils travel further than that limit.

BBM77

Locking the country down for 6 weeks is absurd. What is the point of locking the country down for six weeks, cost the country billions and damaging peoples mental health. And in a few weeks the numbers will shoot up again! Where does this whole strategy end? When we are all suffering nervous exhaustion and there is mass unemployment.

The Continental Op

Aquos76 wrote: »

Hard to see how this advice can actually be ignored for a second time now.

Why when the problem has been made more political than medical?

The Continental Op

On one level I'm in favour of a lock down for however long it takes but if that works we will then want to open our boarders to tourists and people will want to travel abroad for holidays making the lock down pointless and needing another lockdown.

jimbojazz

Anyone seen Cillian de Gascun lately? he was been rolled out initially as the testing, tracking and tracing Guru, but couldn't answer simple questions, hasn't been seen for dust in a long while

Flow Motion

BBM77 wrote: »

Locking the country down for 6 weeks is absurd. What is the point of locking the country down for six weeks, cost the country billions and damaging peoples mental health. And in a few weeks the numbers will shoot up again! Where does this whole strategy end? When we are all suffering nervous exhaustion and there is mass unemployment.

Hard to know if CMO Holohan is trying to prove a point after being humilated by Leo a few weeks ago. Its all well & good "recommending" a Level 5 lockdown but it would be nice if they came up with a coherent plan for the future. As Leo said none of these guys will be placed on a PUP payment, lose their jobs & houses or suffer the consequences. Sitting stoically in their ivory towers must be thankless :rolleyes:

Methinks that a Lockdown# 2 will probably a prove a little bit more difficult to police than first time out. A large proportion of the GP are drained emotionally @ this stage. Unless they consider a Zero Covid approach lockdowns and circuit breakers will become a stop/start feature of life for years to come. The only other option to reduce the numbers, keep NPHET happy, safeguard the hospitals etc is for everyone to lock themselves away like a hermit till a vaccine appears ;....but keeping the schools open of course :rolleyes: "Wont someone think of the children!"

friendlyfun

Flow Motion wrote: »

Hard to know if CMO Holohan is trying to prove a point after being humilated by Leo a few weeks ago. Its all well & good "recommending" a Level 5 lockdown but it would be nice if they came up with a coherent plan for the future. As Leo said none of these guys will be placed on a PUP payment, lose their jobs & houses or suffer the consequences. Sitting stoically in their ivory towers must be thankless :rolleyes:

Methinks that a Lockdown# 2 will probably a prove a little bit more difficult to police than first time out. A large proportion of the GP are drained emotionally @ this stage. Unless they consider a Zero Covid approach lockdowns and circuit breakers will become a stop/start feature of life for years to come. The only other option to reduce the numbers, keep NPHET happy, safeguard the hospitals etc is for everyone to lock themselves away like a hermit till a vaccine appears ;....but keeping the schools open of course :rolleyes: "Wont someone think of the children!"

Their not in ivory towers, the recommend medical advice that affects everyone. Leo is only playing political games to make Martin looked bad. He consistently snooping from the sidelines often undermining the goverments positions.

Aquos76

The Continental Op wrote: »

Why when the problem has been made more political than medical?

Well, the perception is they ignored them 11 days ago and the numbers have spiralled since then. Obviously they had the Data to had and could see what was coming down the line, hence their recommendation, the government are try to initiate some sort of balancing act which really isn’t working. I’m not suggesting that either party are right or wrong. I just feel the stakes are now to him for the government to gamble on is all.

Dunmoreroader

Flow Motion wrote: »

Why should a county such as Waterford with the lowest rate in the country jump up to Level 4? The effect of these Levels takes some time to be reflected in the figures and the hoped for change in the GP's attitudes to the disease. Moving up to L/4 means only "essential" retail & businesses so in effect it is pretty restrictive. A lot of people will be laid off for a couple of months @ least. However the schools will remain open.
Christmas on the other hand is gonna be a totally different experience. Usually its a time of year to meet old friends and socialise with extended family. Be prepared to stock up and dig in!

spookwoman wrote: »

Ireland is a small country and counties are not very big. We may have Kilkenny and Tipp who have low incidence rates like us next door but we also have Cork and Wexford next to us as well. We don't know the true rate of infection and you can guarantee people who know they probably have it won't go to the doctors or get tested for different reasons and some will use the excuse of not wanting to give a reason for further restrictions.

A lot of sense being suggested by Dr Jack Lambert, Prof of Medicine & infectious diseases at the Mater & UCD, including rewarding counties like Waterford that get their rate of infection down;
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus/jack-lambert-lockdowns-can-be-avoided-but-here-are-10-things-we-need-to-do-1.4382748

BBM77

Flow Motion wrote: »

Hard to know if CMO Holohan is trying to prove a point after being humilated by Leo a few weeks ago. Its all well & good "recommending" a Level 5 lockdown but it would be nice if they came up with a coherent plan for the future. As Leo said none of these guys will be placed on a PUP payment, lose their jobs & houses or suffer the consequences. Sitting stoically in their ivory towers must be thankless :rolleyes:

Methinks that a Lockdown# 2 will probably a prove a little bit more difficult to police than first time out. A large proportion of the GP are drained emotionally @ this stage. Unless they consider a Zero Covid approach lockdowns and circuit breakers will become a stop/start feature of life for years to come. The only other option to reduce the numbers, keep NPHET happy, safeguard the hospitals etc is for everyone to lock themselves away like a hermit till a vaccine appears ;....but keeping the schools open of course :rolleyes: "Wont someone think of the children!"

They are. I have yet to meet one person who has said that they are going to follow the ban on visiting other peoples houses.

BBM77

Dunmoreroader wrote: »

A lot of sense being suggested by Dr Jack Lambert, Prof of Medicine & infectious diseases at the Mater & UCD, including rewarding counties like Waterford that get their rate of infection down;
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus/jack-lambert-lockdowns-can-be-avoided-but-here-are-10-things-we-need-to-do-1.4382748

"2. We must follow the living with Covid plan.
We agreed to have a ‘measured response’. Clearly counties with significant increases in Covid-19, where standard measures are not working, should be increased to the appropriate level of the plan. Counties, such as Waterford, should have been permitted to stay at Level 2 in the recent change. The reward for ‘good Covid behaviour’ on the part of Waterford citizens should be staying open at current levels, preserving the Waterford citizens health, and economic and mental health. This is a measured response."

He is actually hitting on something that really got me down last week. Even though cases were low in Waterford we were moved to level three with everyone else. I honestly felt fed up and depressed up to Wednesday this week after it. The way more restrictions were landed on us even though we have kept the number of cases low just killed my motivation and support for what Nphet is doing. And I find it hard to believe there is not a lot of people in Waterford that do not feel the same way.

Stopitwillya

Dunmoreroader wrote: »

A lot of sense being suggested by Dr Jack Lambert, Prof of Medicine & infectious diseases at the Mater & UCD, including rewarding counties like Waterford that get their rate of infection down;
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus/jack-lambert-lockdowns-can-be-avoided-but-here-are-10-things-we-need-to-do-1.4382748

First hurling county to get to level 1 wins Liam McCarthy for 2020 and the first football county that gets to level 1 wins Sam Maguire for 2020. Be our best chance in over 50 years to win the thing.

Wanderer2010

Flow Motion wrote: »

NPHET is really putting the gun up to the Govt's head with this one. Thing is in 6 weeks time, early December everything slowly opens up again in time for Christmas, people will naturally let their guard down again (like during the Summer), cases will spike again and come March we will be back into Lockdown#3. To be repeated ad infinitum sadly:(
Go for broke and try for a Zero Covid island of Ireland. Otherwise it will be a groundhog day existence for a number of years and we will slowly become a nation of zombies.
Just one last point on level 5 : schools remain open but you are supposed to only travel 5k from your home? A fair proportion of pupils travel further than that limit.

Im pretty sure you will be excused for driving to school if more than 5km. Schools wont close even at Level 5.

jimbojazz

BBM77 wrote: »

They are. I have yet to meet one person who has said that they are going to follow the ban on visiting other peoples houses.

Give the kids a paintbrush, a saw and a hammer, if you get a call to ask why they're visiting, say that they are trades people and are carrying out essential repairs to your house :D:D:D:D:D

Flow Motion

BBM77 wrote: »

"2. We must follow the living with Covid plan.
We agreed to have a ‘measured response’. Clearly counties with significant increases in Covid-19, where standard measures are not working, should be increased to the appropriate level of the plan. Counties, such as Waterford, should have been permitted to stay at Level 2 in the recent change. The reward for ‘good Covid behaviour’ on the part of Waterford citizens should be staying open at current levels, preserving the Waterford citizens health, and economic and mental health. This is a measured response."

He is actually hitting on something that really got me down last week. Even though cases were low in Waterford we were moved to level three with everyone else. I honestly felt fed up and depressed up to Wednesday this week after it. The way more restrictions were landed on us even though we have kept the number of cases low just killed my motivation and support for what Nphet is doing. And I find it hard to believe there is not a lot of people in Waterford that do not feel the same way.

Level 5 would be a hard thing for Waterford people to swallow given our recent turnaround. Impossible to get ppl to follow L/5 rules having done so well this past month and expect us to jump up 2 levels in one fell swoop (three levels if you factor in last weeks L2 to L3 jump). Sure its an impossible situation all round but both NPHET and the Govt are changing the messages/narrative on an almost daily basis. NPHET has clearly not learned anything about proper communication since their last L5 bombshell a couple of weeks ago; then it was a Sunday evening fart and today was a lunchtime bogey. Why don't they go directly to Govt w/o playing out the drama in front of the GP causing undue worry/stress for the country?? What is the point of fully locking down Waterford if we have the lowest incidence rate in the country??

smellyoldboot

I think the talk of "rewards" for good behaviour is frankly a bit conceited and silly. A massive element in infection rate is almost certainly pure dumb luck. And also I think certain places, and Waterford unfortunately or fortunately in this particular case, is one of them largely escape a lot of infection because when movement is restricted and even to an extent when not, there just isn't a massive volume of people that have any business to be in Waterford.

Dublin, Cork, Galway and to a lesser but significant degree Limerick and the border towns would all have much more people travelling in/through for work, shopping, education etc than would Waterford.

Saved from the worst effects by being, well a bit **** really. I don't think that's something I'd want an reward for tbh.

jimbojazz

Flow Motion wrote: »

Level 5 would be a hard thing for Waterford people to swallow given our recent turnaround. Impossible to get ppl to follow L/5 rules having done so well this past month and expect us to jump up 2 levels in one fell swoop (three levels if you factor in last weeks L2 to L3 jump). Sure its an impossible situation all round but both NPHET and the Govt are changing the messages/narrative on an almost daily basis. NPHET has clearly not learned anything about proper communication since their last L5 bombshell a couple of weeks ago; then it was a Sunday evening fart and today was a lunchtime bogey. Why don't they go directly to Govt w/o playing out the drama in front of the GP causing undue worry/stress for the country?? What is the point of fully locking down Waterford if we have the lowest incidence rate in the country??

Agree, last thing you'd want is people getting completely disheartened if we got the same restrictions, as say Cork, you'd hate to think that people would say to hell with it, it doesn't matter what we do, we're going to get hit the same as the higher counties and give up the good efforts most are making

Flow Motion

smellyoldboot wrote: »

I think the talk of "rewards" for good behaviour is frankly a bit conceited and silly. A massive element in infection rate is almost certainly pure dumb luck. And also I think certain places, and Waterford unfortunately or fortunately in this particular case, is one of them largely escape a lot of infection because when movement is restricted and even to an extent when not, there just isn't a massive volume of people that have any business to be in Waterford.

Dublin, Cork, Galway and to a lesser but significant degree Limerick and the border towns would all have much more people travelling in/through for work, shopping, education etc than would Waterford.

Saved from the worst effects by being, well a bit **** really. I don't think that's something I'd want an reward for tbh.

TBH I would rather live in area a low rate of Covid and be saved from its effects than live in a City with someone like yourself with such little respect for its people. The only thing that is a bit **** in your trolling :rolleyes:

Harry Palmr

Was listening to the county electoral area breakdown earlier - Dungarvan went from 6 to 22 (give or take a case)

smellyoldboot

Flow Motion wrote: »

TBH I would rather live in area a low rate of Covid and be saved from its effects than live in a City with someone like yourself with such little respect for its people. The only thing that is a bit **** in your trolling :rolleyes:

So what are we doing so spectacularly differently and better than other parts of Ireland then?

House parties? Every bit as rampant here, remember the clip of 80 or so youngsters crawling out of a house in Templars Hall? How did that not result in a massive outbreak? Pure dumb luck.

Meat factory outbreaks? Yep had them too. How did we escape massive transmission there? Excellent systems and adherence by the plant in question? lol. Nope more dumb luck.

We have the same types of shops, workplaces and schools open that everyone else does with the same regulations in place. So what are we doing differently? Absolutely nothing. What is saving us is relative lack of humans and forced interactions between them that is more prevalent in other areas.

Should we be on another level of restrictions? Possibly
Should it be seen as a "reward"? Ask Paddypower or Boylesports, they deal in "rewards" for luck.

Wanderer2010

Are any of the restrictions in Level 3/4/5 worth a thing if the police cannot enforce the rules? They are essentially pointless if none of the rules can be enforced, because people can do what they like, regardless of what the Guards say. Massive flaw in these restrictions.

friendlyfun

smellyoldboot wrote: »

I think the talk of "rewards" for good behaviour is frankly a bit conceited and silly. A massive element in infection rate is almost certainly pure dumb luck. And also I think certain places, and Waterford unfortunately or fortunately in this particular case, is one of them largely escape a lot of infection because when movement is restricted and even to an extent when not, there just isn't a massive volume of people that have any business to be in Waterford.

Dublin, Cork, Galway and to a lesser but significant degree Limerick and the border towns would all have much more people travelling in/through for work, shopping, education etc than would Waterford.

Saved from the worst effects by being, well a bit **** really. I don't think that's something I'd want an reward for tbh.

County itself does have one of the smallest county populations

Harry Palmr

Maybe that's why the SE has done well, no one wants to come here.

Junior

32 new cases in Waterford ...

Taken from :

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1317142778057527296

Youcant_seeme

The lads on the Carrickferish road have a marquee set up in between the caravans and alot of different cars and non locals around including load of ****s jumping in front of cars and on cars by the apartments! One rule for some

Wanderer78

Wanderer2010 wrote:

Are any of the restrictions in Level 3/4/5 worth a thing if the police cannot enforce the rules? They are essentially pointless if none of the rules can be enforced, because people can do what they like, regardless of what the Guards say. Massive flaw in these restrictions.

How would you police that effectively, you'd probably need every citizen involved in the process?

spookwoman

Youcant_seeme wrote: »

The lads on the Carrickferish road have a marquee set up in between the caravans and alot of different cars and non locals around including load of ****s jumping in front of cars and on cars by the apartments! One rule for some

Bandit county that area.

OhToBeByTheSea

Youcant_seeme wrote: »

The lads on the Carrickferish road have a marquee set up in between the caravans and alot of different cars and non locals around including load of ****s jumping in front of cars and on cars by the apartments! One rule for some

And Pavee Point will be out lecturing us about how they're more at risk than the rest of us and how they need money/land/some sort of special classification that lets them away with even more BS.

spookwoman

HSE Operations report

6 Confirmed in Hospital No Change
1 Confirmed in CC No Change
0 Suspected in CC -1

28 General beds available +5
1 CC beds available -1

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid-19-daily-operations-update-20-00-16-october-2020.pdf