Corona virus in waterford

Harry Palmr

The Continental Op wrote: »

Why not pump the money we as a country are loosing into the health service instead of this lockdown to protect the health service?

where right now are you going to find that amount of specialist medics and support staff (about 50 for 6-8 bed unit I think), when most of the world is in the same situation. This needs extensive prep and planning which hasn't been done,. the capacity is very low on a per capita basis.

Harry Palmr

Aquos76 wrote: »

Another 22 additional cases reported for Waterford this evening and 51 cases for our neighbours in Wexford

Wanderer78

The Continental Op wrote: »

Why not pump the money we as a country are loosing into the health service instead of this lockdown to protect the health service?

what money is being lost?

Harry Palmr

So sanity won the day, singles can bubble after all.

OhToBeByTheSea

https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2020/10/20/lockdown-crucial-if-we-want-to-go-absolutely-****in-mental-over-the-christmas-confirms-taoiseach/?utm_campaign=later-linkinbio-whispersnews&utm_content=later-11134797&utm_medium=social&utm_source=instagram

Some humour for the day that's in it.

BBM77

jimbojazz wrote: »

The NPHET letter states they hope to have the numbers down to between 50-100 by 1st December, and that the cases will be up to 300 by early January, so we know where this is going.

https://www.wlrfm.com/2020/10/20/nphet-letter-to-government-predicts-50-daily-cases-by-christmas/


Martin also saying that this will be with us for all of 2021 and no guarantees about 22/23

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/well-still-be-in-cycle-of-higher-and-lower-restrictions-through-2021-warns-taoiseach-39646744.html

This is extremely depressing, speaking for myself, I'm finding things difficult at the moment, and I have a good network of family, work and friends, I can only imagine what people on their own are going through, and if this drags on, I dread to think of where we'll be

This is bloody infuriating. Why not just deal with life with a pandemic even if that means the health service is under pressure? Instead of pointless lockdowns that are in reality making things worse. Also, what happens if after the six weeks and the numbers are actually worse? We could have the absurd situation were the country is opening up again in a worse situation than six weeks before.

PTH2009

BBM77 wrote: »

This is bloody infuriating. Why not just deal with life with a pandemic even if that means the health service is under pressure? Instead of pointless lockdowns that are in reality making things worse. Also, what happen if after the six weeks the numbers are actually worse? We could have the absurd situation were the country is opening up again in a worse situation than six weeks before.

It happened already to an extent

Wet pubs opened when the numbers were in the 100s but were closed when in single/double digits

BBM77

OhToBeByTheSea wrote: »

I am single and live alone and can understand why these restrictions are the best option at the moment as, mask wearing, hand hygiene and social distancing, as the primary method of control, are not working.

Lockdowns have not worked either.

mooseknunkle

Anyone else feel like they are living in a alternate world or is it just me ,this time tomorrow 150,000 people will be out of work,over 1 billion will be spent in 6 weeks to get people to stay at home and if you go 5km from your home you could end up with a €500 fine ,and it looks like we are just going to have successive lockdowns until a vaccine is found.

Everyone here has different views on how this is handled but i'd like to think we all want to get back to normal and not have lockdowns ,the news over the past two days has been overwhelming for many and unfortunately it's only going to get worse as the weeks go on,clocks going back on over the weekend won't help things.

I haven't been to the gym in years but it makes no sense to close them,why aren't they promoting healthy lifestyles and giving people tax breaks for gym memberships ,instead they just shut everything and expect people to sit at home and do nothing when they could be out in Tramore for a swim or in the gym!

StringerBell

BBM77 wrote: »

Lockdowns have not worked either.

Well.....the heavy restrictions did work in that it slowed the virus spread down to an absolute crawl.

Then we opened up, and too many did not adhere to the guidance and well, its an extremely contagious virus so you can't stop it anyway all you can do is slow it and when you don't do enough in terms of taking personal responsibility to keep it as slow as can be expected in terms of spread then a hard restriction to cut it off at the knees again is kinda needed.

Its a shame, its a real kick in the teeth actually especially to the people who have actually followed the guidance and sacrificed but it is what it is. It must be slowed again and a short leash is probably the best option now. What I would say is that if we had the resources proper enforcement would have been a preferred option of level 3 like restrictions at most for counties that did not have a big problem and higher restrictions for counties that did.

I think the lack of resources to enforce the rules is a bigger issue than the rules because too many people are ultimately too selfish to do the right thing if there is no fear of consequences.

The Continental Op

Wanderer78 wrote: »

what money is being lost?

Are you suggesting the country isn't going into more debt due to the Covid 19 pandemic?

BBM77

StringerBell wrote: »

Well.....the heavy restrictions did work in that it slowed the virus spread down to an absolute crawl.

Then we opened up, and too many did not adhere to the guidance and well, its an extremely contagious virus so you can't stop it anyway all you can do is slow it and when you don't do enough in terms of taking personal responsibility to keep it as slow as can be expected in terms of spread then a hard restriction to cut it off at the knees again is kinda needed.

Its a shame, its a real kick in the teeth actually especially to the people who have actually followed the guidance and sacrificed but it is what it is. It must be slowed again and a short leash is probably the best option now. What I would say is that if we had the resources proper enforcement would have been a preferred option of level 3 like restrictions at most for counties that did not have a big problem and higher restrictions for counties that did.

I think the lack of resources to enforce the rules is a bigger issue than the rules because too many people are ultimately too selfish to do the right thing if there is no fear of consequences.

Yes, exactly lockdowns don't work.

OhToBeByTheSea

BBM77 wrote: »

Lockdowns have not worked either.

Which lockdown didn't work?

smellyoldboot

I can understand the lockdown, shutting everything that requires sustained indoor contact: bars restaurants etc does make sense. But the 5km limit is mental. In Ireland, in October, where is the harm in getting out in the country side or to a quiet beach for some air. You'd hardly see another soul and it might be a welcome release for plenty people.

killbillvol2

StringerBell wrote: »

Well.....the heavy restrictions did work in that it slowed the virus spread down to an absolute crawl.

Then we opened up, and too many did not adhere to the guidance and well, its an extremely contagious virus so you can't stop it anyway all you can do is slow it and when you don't do enough in terms of taking personal responsibility to keep it as slow as can be expected in terms of spread then a hard restriction to cut it off at the knees again is kinda needed.

Its a shame, its a real kick in the teeth actually especially to the people who have actually followed the guidance and sacrificed but it is what it is. It must be slowed again and a short leash is probably the best option now. What I would say is that if we had the resources proper enforcement would have been a preferred option of level 3 like restrictions at most for counties that did not have a big problem and higher restrictions for counties that did.

I think the lack of resources to enforce the rules is a bigger issue than the rules because too many people are ultimately too selfish to do the right thing if there is no fear of consequences.

We were told that the original lockdown was to take pressure off the health service and to buy time for the HSE to get the health service ready to deal with future cases. The HSE have done **** all in the last 8 months except argue over whose job it is to do what. There's no extra capacity in hospitals and they STILL haven't managed to sort out contact tracing. Tonight they're asking people to notify close contacts themselves ffs.

There's going to be far less compliance with the lockdown this time because, apart from the morons who are running around spreading Covid, normally compliant people are going to make their own decisions on what works. I know for a fact that going for a walk in Tramore isn't going to spread any disease so they can **** off with their 5km.

Harry Palmr

You'll have to take a backroad because the fuzz will surely be perched just past the Mill turn on the Tramore road.

killbillvol2

Harry Palmr wrote: »

You'll have to take a backroad because the fuzz will surely be perched just past the Mill turn on the Tramore road.

I have an aunt in Tramore who will require regular visits due to her advanced age. I won't mention that she's 119 and six feet under.

jive

killbillvol2 wrote: »

I have an aunt in Tramore who will require regular visits due to her advanced age. I won't mention that she's 119 and six feet under.

You should, grave visits considered essential funnily enough

Wanderer78

The Continental Op wrote:

Are you suggesting the country isn't going into more debt due to the Covid 19 pandemic?

Rising public debt isn't as bad as generally thought, as 08 showed us, private debt is the one to be truly concerned about, and I suspect this will raise its ugly head again, in the new year. I think the government should now be considering the possibility of needing to garantee these loans again, to try prevent another bigger problem. No money has been lost in this process, whatever money that has been created, and not spent, is just sitting in accounts. The only money that has been effectively lost, or really destroyed, has been the money used to pay down debts, in both the public and private domains

BBM77

killbillvol2 wrote: »

We were told that the original lockdown was to take pressure off the health service and to buy time for the HSE to get the health service ready to deal with future cases. The HSE have done **** all in the last 8 months except argue over whose job it is to do what. There's no extra capacity in hospitals and they STILL haven't managed to sort out contact tracing. Tonight they're asking people to notify close contacts themselves ffs.

There's going to be far less compliance with the lockdown this time because, apart from the morons who are running around spreading Covid, normally compliant people are going to make their own decisions on what works. I know for a fact that going for a walk in Tramore isn't going to spread any disease so they can **** off with their 5km.

Absolutely, same with cycling. What the hell does it matter if I go cycling beyond 5km?

Also, they should have brough fines for house parties in months ago.

Wanderer78

BBM77 wrote: »

Absolutely, same with cycling. What the hell does it matter if I go cycling beyond 5km?

Also, they should have brough fines for house parties in months ago.

completely agree, i know plenty of lads that were cycling well beyond the previous 5k restrictions, i seen no issues with it, as most were probably interacting with no one at all on their journeys. i went well beyond the 5 myself, we did bump into others along the way, but we stayed well clear of each other. i see dont any issues with such situations, exercise is more critical than ever now, but i can also understand the implementation of this rule, i suspect many a blind eye will be turned for such breaches.

Flow Motion

OhToBeByTheSea wrote: »

https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2020/10/20/lockdown-crucial-if-we-want-to-go-absolutely-****in-mental-over-the-christmas-confirms-taoiseach/?utm_campaign=later-linkinbio-whispersnews&utm_content=later-11134797&utm_medium=social&utm_source=instagram

Some humour for the day that's in it.

Funny but oh so true! :pac: Humour is definitely another way to fend off the Covid-funk! After all it look like we will have to endure a few more open & shut as we soldier on "the road" forward....

https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2020/10/20/man-from-the-future-reassures-ireland-you-get-used-to-it-after-lockdown-27-0/

Flow Motion

Wanderer78 wrote: »

completely agree, i know plenty of lads that were cycling well beyond the previous 5k restrictions, i seen no issues with it, as most were probably interacting with no one at all on their journeys. i went well beyond the 5 myself, we did bump into others along the way, but we stayed well clear of each other. i see dont any issues with such situations, exercise is more critical than ever now, but i can also understand the implementation of this rule, i suspect many a blind eye will be turned for such breaches.

Totally agree on this point. Fines, although slightly authoritarian, are probably warranted for house parties and serious breaches of the regs but it would be very harsh to fine a cyclist that goes beyond 5k especially if he/she is on their own. 5k is just over 3 miles and would not take you very far and would take the average person say 10 mins to complete.
Although we are just about to enter the Winter season and the clock go back Sat night its still nice to get out of the house for some fresh air and exercise. I like the odd swim out @ the Guillamene during the Winter but technically cant travel out there under the regs. During the 1st lockdown I was not out in Tramore from say the end of March and did not get to return till the first week of July.
Personally I think it will be harder for the Gardai to enforce this time around given that the schools are remaining open. A large proportion of pupils travel beyond the 5k limit to/from school each day. How is this going to be policed? Check points on the roads into town each morning/afternoon will only result in huge tailbacks, kids being late for school, workers late for work and one hell of a lot of roadrage. Perhaps a 10k radius would have been more appropriate?

spookwoman

HSE Operations report

6 Confirmed in Hospital -1
1 Confirmed in CC No Change
0 Suspected in CC No Change

30 General beds available +15
1 CC beds available -1

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid19-daily-operations-update-2000-20-october-2020.pdf

Wanderer78

ffs, positive cases have to inform their contacts, wtf!

Harry Palmr

"Er hi, guess what?"

spookwoman

Harry Palmr wrote: »

"Er hi, guess what?"

You got caught being a bold boy?

Aquos76

7 more cases reported this evening for Waterford

Harry Palmr

South east back down to under 10 except the bold Wexford.

jopax

killbillvol2 wrote: »

I have an aunt in Tramore who will require regular visits due to her advanced age. I won't mention that she's 119 and six feet under.

Funny you should say that, you are allowed visit graves