Man city (not) banned from Champions league for 2 years [Mod note see first post]

Deeper Blue

So they could potentially win the CL this season despite being banned for cooking the books to buy the players that they're using this season?

Deadmou5e

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Again there's a huge difference between the burden of proof in a legal case and in an internal UEFA investigation. CAS have to decide if they've broken UEFA rules, not whether the evidence is admissible, as you have previously claimed.

Yes but even if they were/are cooking the books I don’t think they would be gormless enough to leave traces of it in their own accounts (even if their data system was hacked numerous times by Liverpool) If City have records of money being deposited from Etihad to the amount of which they declared in the sponsorship agreement then UEFA surely would have to provide proof it didn’t come from them as opposed to City who I imagine would just have to provide that sheet from the accounts. UEFA nor CAS have no power to get Etihad to disclose their books so this case would need UEFA to provide proof of evidence of funds being payed into the clubs accounts by the Sheik hidden as being from Etihad.

Edit: I’m not arguing with you by the way either, can see the logic in your postings but I just see it another way but what do we know for sure. Anyways won’t be long till we know the outcome.

irishgeo

Deadmou5e wrote: »

The decision is at 9:30am what time do you suggest they are made aware of it? Both City are UEFA will have a statement released by 9:35am now of course they could have a good and bad statement both ready to go now as we speak but my guess is that wouldn’t happen, they have to be briefed the verdict so the lawyers can go over the final draft, make sure names, evidence, times and meetings etc are all correct, they need time to read over them drafts and then both would have to sign off on them I’d assume? That’s just a guess though.

Most offices open at 8am. I'm sure for such an important announcement maybe city have the staff coming in a little earlier.

This a decision only. The full written verdict will be supplied to the parties later. This is the one the lawyers will be looking at. It's not made public unless both parties agree. So it's unlikely we will see it.

Deadmou5e

irishgeo wrote: »

Most offices open at 8am. I'm sure for such an important announcement maybe city have the staff coming in a little earlier.

This a decision only. The full written verdict will be supplied to the parties later. This is the one the lawyers will be looking at. It's not made public unless both parties agree. So it's unlikely we will see it.

The verdict was due for July 10th but UEFA requested it be pushed back til the 13th so as not to interfere with the Champions League draw. CAS had no objection to it if both parties agreed to it. City obliged. There is no way I see them agreeing to that with the stakes so high for them unless a) they already knew the verdict before the delayed announcement was made or b)on condition they were told the outcome on the agreed date and agreed to uphold an embargo handed down by CAS until they publicly announced it themselves.

8-10

Impressive how something this big hasn't been leaked by anyone.

Going to be an interesting one to unpack whatever the decision.

Fitz*

Man City will still pay bonuses to their players for CL qualification for next season, even if the ban is upheld, according to The Athletic.

EDIT: also here:

https://twitter.com/City_Xtra/status/1282587517922009088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1282587517922009088%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html1282587517922009088

Harry Palmr

They are lucky to be rich enough to do that, hmmmmmm!

I bet the fax machine jams.

Harry Palmr

City win the appeal

Fitz*

Seems like they have got off.

https://www.tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/CAS_Media_Release_6785_Decision.pdf

y0ssar1an22

MAN CITY APPEAL UPHELD

CAS has upheld Man City's appeal against their European ban - they will play in the Champions League next season.

Harry Palmr

CAS lift ban, fine reduced to 10 million euro.

They will be unbearable! The new Unbearables!

StringerBell

****ing knew it!

y0ssar1an22

looks like deadmou5e was correct. embarrassing for uefa!

LineOfBeauty

If you come at the King you best not miss.

Absolutely delighted for our club, equally delighted that this will surely hit UEFA's awful FFP rule hard.

Mars Bar

of course it was upheld :rolleyes:

gimli2112

Apologies to Deadmouse. Fcuk me they should sue UEFA what a shower

feedthegoat

Looking forward to next season, massive boost

SlickRic

So they did it.

But won't be banned for it.

larchielads

Thats it big clubs can do what they like. Ffp me hole!

Harry Palmr

The CAS award emphasized that most of the alleged breaches reported by the Adjudicatory Chamber of the CFCB were either not established or time-barred. As the charges with respect to any dishonest concealment of equity funding were clearly more significant violations than obstructing the CFCB’s investigations, it was not appropriate to impose a ban on participating in UEFA’s club competitions for MCFC’s failure to cooperate with the CFCB’s investigations alone.

However, considering i) the financial resources of MCFC; ii) the importance of the cooperation of clubs in investigations conducted by the CFCB, because of its limited investigative means; and iii) MCFC’s disregard of such principle and its obstruction of the investigations, the CAS Panel found that a significant fine should be imposed on MCFC and considered it appropriate to reduce UEFA’s initial fine by 2/3, i.e. to the amount of EUR 10 million.

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daheff

This makes UEFA an impotent organisation. They've now been shown on multiple occasions to be incapable of implementing their own rules. Who would bother playing by the rules anymore when they can just fess up and take a (relatively) small fine when caught?

AC Milan must be raging that they accepted a ban a few years back instead of challenging it at CAS.

Xenji

So the court of arbitration has decided that they are guilty of all charges but they only need to pay 10 million quid?

nullzero

Hilarious. Money talks.

What a complete and utter joke.

rob316

Not surprised, FFP isn't fit for purpose.

jayo26

SlickRic wrote: »

So they did it.

But won't be banned for it.

They have been punished. Whether you like it or not thats what cas have done.

It's been a cloud over them for the entire year its been obvious they took the eye off the ball this year at least now they can build for next season and concentrate on football again.

murpho999

€10 million fine. That will really hurt them.

Is there a Go Fund Me page anywhwere?

y0ssar1an22

wonder was it time barred or not established? either way, a royal **** up by uefa

Dave0301

SlickRic wrote: »

So they did it.

But won't be banned for it.

The wording "neither established or time-barred" is interesting.

It would suggest that they are definitely guilty of some wrong doing, and by refusing to cooperate fully they were able to bury/obstruct UEFA's investigation.

jayo26

Xenji wrote: »

So the court of arbitration has decided that they are guilty of all charges but they only need to pay 10 million quid?

No they haven't. They have been cleared of alot of charges.

StringerBell

SlickRic wrote: »

So they did it.

But won't be banned for it.

Yep, that's about the long and short of it. Technicalities and the law *shrugs*

Harry Palmr

They'll be an * beside everthing they've done since 2008 for me.

Ohmeha

Did anyone really expect any other outcome

Thepoet85

Embarrassing.

GLaDOS

If they were fined they were presumably guilty of something.

Be interesting to hear the logic for removing the ban.

jayo26

Harry Palmr wrote: »

They'll be an * beside everthing they've done since 2008 for me.

I doubt they care

Salvation Tambourine

Xenji wrote: »

So the court of arbitration has decided that they are guilty of all charges but they only need to pay 10 million quid?

From what I get from it CAS decided that City didn't break any rules but didn't fully operate with UEFA's investigation.

MANCHESTER CITY FC DID NOT DISGUISE EQUITY FUNDING AS
SPONSORSHIP CONTRIBUTIONS BUT DID FAIL TO COOPERATE WITH THE
UEFA AUTHORITIES

As the charges with respect to any dishonest
concealment of equity funding were clearly more significant violations than obstructing the CFCB’s
investigations, it was not appropriate to impose a ban on participating in UEFA’s club competitions
for MCFC’s failure to cooperate with the CFCB’s investigations alone

CAS look to have taken the opinion that a two year ban from UEFA competition was too harsh for failing to co-operate alone. For them, that warranted a fine.

y0ssar1an22

wonder when the full report is going to be released?

KevRossi

€10m isn't even pocket money for their owners.

This effectively gives others the go-ahead to do the same.

Pintman Paddy Losty

Hahaha! Brilliant news.

Scorpion Sting

Thread title is a lie.

nullzero

Xenji wrote: »

So the court of arbitration has decided that they are guilty of all charges but they only need to pay 10 million quid?

If they want to punish an organisation like the one that owns Manchester City, the fine should be at least 100 million if not multiples of that.

8-10

the silver lining is that they'd have 100% won the league next year without European commitments.

This gives us a chance

rob316

Wait they fined them too so they were found guilty as such.

Harry Palmr

UEFA takes note of the decision taken by the Court of Arbitration for Sport to reduce the sanction imposed on Manchester City FC by UEFA’s independent Club Financial Control Body for alleged breaches of the UEFA Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play regulations.

UEFA notes that the CAS panel found that there was insufficient conclusive evidence to uphold all of the CFCB’s conclusions in this specific case and that many of the alleged breaches were time-barred due to the 5 year time period foreseen in the UEFA regulations.

Over the last few years, Financial Fair Play has played a significant role in protecting clubs and helping them become financially sustainable and UEFA and ECA remain committed to its principles.

UEFA will be making no further comments on the matter.

The fine print will take a few hours to wade through but this could effectively mean the end of FFP as we know it and a complete redraft by UEFA under guidance from CAS.

banie01

FFP is dead!

Long live the new king.

Absolute joke of a decision.
Imposing a Fine whilst overturning the ban?

The CAS is a procedural court, were the UEFA procedures followed?

Yes, then the ban stands.
No, then the ban is struck down.

Where the option to completely alter the punishment to a fine comes from is a little odd?
It's an either or proposition, not a slap on the wrist for financial impropriety by throwing a few quid on to a bill that will actually impose no punishment on the transgressor.

Tchaikovsky

Once again the bad guys win.

nullzero

KevRossi wrote: »

€10m isn't even pocket money for their owners.

This effectively gives others the go-ahead to do the same.

I'd say Mohammed Bin Salman is delighted with this news. We can look forward to Newcastle benefiting from this system in a couple of years no doubt.

greendom

8-10 wrote: »

the silver lining is that they'd have 100% won the league next year without European commitments.

This gives us a chance

not guaranteed at all - who knows how many of their players and their manager would have left with no Champions League

irishgeo

Next up the premier League investigation.

y0ssar1an22

banie01 wrote: »

FFP is dead!

Long live the new king.

Absolute joke of a decision.
Imposing a Fine whilst overturning the ban?

The CAS is a procedural court, were the UEFA procedures followed?

Yes, then the ban stands.
No, then the ban is struck down.

Where the option to completely alter the punishment to a fine comes from is a little odd?
It's an either or proposition, not a slap on the wrist for financial impropriety by throwing a few quid on to a bill that will actually impose no punishment on the transgressor.

the fine was for not co - operating. the ban was overturned because of the actual FFP breaches were not established/time barred.