Caroline Flack found dead

hetuzozaho

Mwengwe wrote: »

I'm not Laura Whitmore's biggest fan, she and her followers live in a different universe to me, but maybe she's acting 'bizarre' because her friend just died.

Yeah it's a tough time for her. And it's very sad what happened.

Hopefully her and the others take a long look at their relationship with the media/social media. It's bizarre situation of a good day.

santana75

Shelga wrote: »

Had a quick look at Laura Whitmore’s Instagram there, and my god, could feel my brain cells dying by the second. Like Caroline, almost every single picture is just of her, dolled up to the nines, looking like she’s spent two hours getting her hair and makeup done.

Made the mistake of looking at her Instagram myself after reading comments on here. Literally every single picture is of herself posing. There is a level of attention seeking and narcissism going on there that can't be healthy.

0127647

LWs initial statement was an absolute disgrace giving minimal respect to Flacks family and instead using it to defend Love Island which is absolute trash/garbage television. Not even a basic condolence on her twitter feed just one big ego trip

She is continuing to drag up issues with the tabloids/paps on twitter she herself is only to happy to use when it suits her. O'Dowd is as bad. Zero condolences to her family.

pjohnson

Without SM Whitmore would be nothing. This puts her (and Love Island) back front and centre. As much as she "cries" over it now it wont be long until some gossipy mag has "Caroline and me - Laura Whitmore story" to pull in more money!

Boggles

pjohnson wrote: »

Without SM Whitmore would be nothing.

I'm only vaguely aware her because she is Irish.

But looking at her CV, she is most certainly a high achiever who has excelled at everything she has done, from radio, presenting, acting, business and her charity work.

She got her degree in journalism built on it and has an estimated net worth of €14m.

So no, I imagine if we switched off all the data centres in the world that hosted social media, she would continue to be a high achiever because that's exactly what she is.

Galwayguy35

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

Some of the celebs are posting some of the comments they're getting. Ashley Banjo retweeted one the other day that said 'You tw*t'

Thats beyond saying something critical.

Even on this forum there are rules about what you can and cannot say and some of them were inplementedin this thread.

I dont think any celebrity is obliged to put up with sh*t like that, regardless of the contents of their social media (unless their social media is name calling in itself obviously).

They could just put their Twitter and IG on private, lots of folks are doing that now on IG and I've noticed a few on Twitter as well.

Then they can control who they let follow them.

Or would it be that people like the guy you mentioned (I never heard of him) want to get as many followers as possible to make themsleves more well known?

Hannibal_Smith

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

They could just put their Twitter and IG on private, lots of folks are doing that now on IG and I've noticed a few on Twitter as well.

Then they can control who they let follow them.

Or would it be that people like tha guy you mentioned (I never heard of him) want to get as many followers as possible to make themsleves more well known?

I dont know why he hasnt got it on private. Youd have to ask him. I'd guess its for promotional purposes to make himself more well known.

Does that mean someone can call him a twat? He comes across as a nice enough fella, who's done well for himself. Maybe that annoys people. Maybe people can't handle others doing well and want to bring them down a peg or two.

Is asking those on the receiving end to change their actions the solution? Shouldn't those dishing out the name calling be the ones to change their actions?

Galwayguy35

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

I dont know why he hasnt got it on private. Youd have to ask him. I'd guess its for promotional purposes to make himself more well known.

Does that mean someone can call him a twat? He comes across as a nice enough fella, who's done well for himself. Maybe that annoys people. Maybe people can't handle others doing well and want to bring them down a peg or two.

Is asking those on the receiving end to change their actions the solution? Shouldn't those dishing out the name calling be the ones to change their actions?

There's always going to be trolls, that will never change and i think we both know that.

Going private is a small thing that is easily done to stop given them a platform to dish out abuse so it's baffling why more of them don't do it.

Hannibal_Smith

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

There's always going to be trolls, that will never change and i think we both know that.

Going private is a small thing that is easily done to stop given them a platform to dish out abuse so it's baffling why more of them don't do it.

No, I hear ya. Trolls will always exist and always be out to wind people up. They say dont feed them, but thats clearly not working.

Maybe they should go private. I read yesterday that apparently one lady was a contestant on The Chase and ITV advised her to shut down all her social media because people can be cruel!

pjohnson

Boggles wrote: »

I'm only vaguely aware her because she is Irish.

But looking at her CV, she is most certainly a high achiever who has excelled at everything she has done, from radio, presenting, acting, business and her charity work.

She got her degree in journalism built on it and has an estimated net worth of €14m.

So no, I imagine if we switched off all the data centres in the world that hosted social media, she would continue to be a high achiever because that's exactly what she is.

Without SM do you think there would be a Love Island to even present?

Hannibal_Smith

pjohnson wrote: »

Without SM do you think there would be a Love Island to even present?

Big brother worked well without social media. Would love island not be on a par with that?

Tork

Love Island didn't do nearly so well in its first run back in the pre-social media days.

Boggles

pjohnson wrote: »

Without SM do you think there would be a Love Island to even present?

I have never seen a second of Love Island.

But "reality" TV predates social media, and that show goes out on terrestrial TV, so I don't see how it's existence hinges on Social Media or any "reality" tv as it thrived before it.

But that isn't the point I pulled you up on. You claimed she would be nothing without Social Media.

That is at best grossly unfair. At worst just bitter nonsense directed at a successful Irish female who didn't come through the nepotism of RTE, built her career off her own back and has been very successful of every facet of it.

Unless I am missing something?

Like I said I am only vaguely familiar with her because I have seen her interviewed on Irish TV.

Shelga

Why did she go to the Brits on Tuesday? I’m sure she would say “Caroline would have wanted me to put my best foot forward” but if a good friend of mine had died, there’s no way in hell I’d feel like getting dressed up to go to a party.

She wanted to go, she wanted the promotion, so she went. Wish everyone would start being a bit more honest about how they benefit themselves from this sick culture.

FullMoonFever

Boggles wrote: »

At worst just bitter nonsense directed at a successful Irish female

I see what you did there.

FullMoonFever

Shelga wrote: »

Why did she go to the Brits on Tuesday? I’m sure she would say “Caroline would have wanted me to put my best foot forward” but if a good friend of mine had died, there’s no way in hell I’d feel like getting dressed up to go to a party.

She wanted to go, she wanted the promotion, so she went. Wish everyone would start being a bit more honest about how they benefit themselves from this sick culture.

When these celebs pose on the red carpet who are they posing for?

That's right, the tabloids and gossip mags!

Gretas Gonna Get Ya!

What's this love Island thing?

Is it a place where washed-up/minor celebs shag each other, so bored housewives can gossip about it over coffee?

And this Flack woman, would she have been considered a minor celeb? (You know the type, famous for being famous type thing? No real discernible talent to speak of etc?)

I'm just a bit surprised how active this thread is, considering I'd never heard of this person before she kicked the bucket... was she an important social figure for people? A role model? Did she leave behind a great legacy? What kind of mark did she make in the world?

borderlinemeath

Shelga wrote: »

Why did she go to the Brits on Tuesday? I’m sure she would say “Caroline would have wanted me to put my best foot forward” but if a good friend of mine had died, there’s no way in hell I’d feel like getting dressed up to go to a party.

She wanted to go, she wanted the promotion, so she went. Wish everyone would start being a bit more honest about how they benefit themselves from this sick culture.

She was probably obliged to go as part of her presenting contract? It's as much an awards show as a music show with a massive audience. Deaths of close friends, while they are exceptionally sad, don't even get the likes of you or I a day off regular work.

Shelga

borderlinemeath wrote: »

She was probably obliged to go as part of her presenting contract? It's as much an awards show as a music show with a massive audience. Deaths of close friends, while they are exceptionally sad, don't even get the likes of you or I a day off regular work.

So if she had said “I can’t face it, I’m too sad” the big bad bullies at ITV would have forced her to go? Why would she want to work for such people?
If my friend died, yeah I’m pretty sure my workplace would understand me not wanting to go to some networking event.

FullMoonFever

If your friend was having personal and emotional problems would you post a video like this to social media celebrating how you benefitted from taking their job?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7864665/Laura-Whitmore-dances-delight-finishing-day-filming-Love-Islands-new-host.html

Hannibal_Smith

Shelga wrote: »

So if she had said “I can’t face it, I’m too sad” the big bad bullies at ITV would have forced her to go? Why would she want to work for such people?
If my friend died, yeah I’m pretty sure my workplace would understand me not wanting to go to some networking event.

Why only Whitmore though? A lot of people in that room counted Flack as a friend. So none of them should have gone?

Shelga

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

Why only Whitmore though? A lot of people in that room counted Flack as a friend. So none of them should have gone?

Why would any close friends WANT to go? To stand and pose on a red carpet and fake smile?

SusieBlue

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

What's this love Island thing?

Is it a place where washed-up/minor celebs shag each other, so bored housewives can gossip about it over coffee?

And this Flack woman, would she have been considered a minor celeb? (You know the type, famous for being famous type thing? No real discernible talent to speak of etc?)

I'm just a bit surprised how active this thread is, considering I'd never heard of this person before she kicked the bucket... was she an important social figure for people? A role model? Did she leave behind a great legacy? What kind of mark did she make in the world?

She had a 20yr career as a presenter of many popular tv & radio shows, that's what she was famous for.
She presented Gladiators, Big Brother, I'm a Celeb, The X Factor, among others, as well as 5 seasons of Love Island, which was probably her biggest success.
She was also on Strictly Come Dancing, which she won with her dancing partner.

The thread is so long because there are many polarising incidents surrounding her suicide.

Mwengwe

FullMoonFever wrote: »

If your friend was having personal and emotional problems would you post a video like this to social media celebrating how you benefitted from taking their job?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7864665/Laura-Whitmore-dances-delight-finishing-day-filming-Love-Islands-new-host.html

She had Flack's blessing and encouragement by all accounts.

Hannibal_Smith

Shelga wrote: »

Why would any close friends WANT to go? To stand and pose on a red carpet and fake smile?

I dont know. But I certainly wouldnt hold it against them

Mwengwe

borderlinemeath wrote: »

She was probably obliged to go as part of her presenting contract? It's as much an awards show as a music show with a massive audience. Deaths of close friends, while they are exceptionally sad, don't even get the likes of you or I a day off regular work.

I still remember getting reamed by my manager for taking a sick day to go to my friend's funeral. Should have just said i was sick.
Really one of those moments when you realise where you stand in a capitalist society. But that's slightly off-topic.

Shelga

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

I dont know. But I certainly wouldnt hold it against them

It’s just an odd thing to do when you then give out about being photographed two days later, when it doesn’t suit you. It’s too uncomfortable to ask the real questions about how we’re all complicit in this culture, so Whitmore and others don’t do it.

Boggles

Shelga wrote: »

It’s just an odd thing to do when you then give out about being photographed two days later, when it doesn’t suit you. It’s too uncomfortable to ask the real questions about how we’re all complicit in this culture, so Whitmore and others don’t do it.

Yeah, those honest Paps are just trying to do their job.

Are you on a wum?

Hannibal_Smith

Shelga wrote: »

It’s just an odd thing to do when you then give out about being photographed two days later, when it doesn’t suit you. It’s too uncomfortable to ask the real questions about how we’re all complicit in this culture, so Whitmore and others don’t do it.

"At the airport a photographer took pictures of us both and we tried to ignore it but he continued to follow us as we got coffee and left the building.

"So I asked him would he stop as he had what he wanted. I said we were mourning a friend and could he allow us space.

"He said 'can you give me a reaction. It's a public space and I can take pictures if I want'."

^^ thats her version of events. He had photographed them and they tried to ignore him, but then he started following them.

She went on to say

"I have never courted the paparazzi but understand at work events it comes with the territory. But this morning was too much."

So its not that it simply didnt suit her. She wanted some privacy on reuniting with her boyfriend. She tried ignoring him, but he started following them.

That's a bit much, no?

Shelga

Is she somehow more virtuous because she “doesn’t court the paparazzi” but puts hundreds of self-portraits on her Instagram, knowing there’s a high chance the Daily Mail and other rags will take those photos and make stories out of them?

What’s the difference?

Mwengwe

Shelga wrote: »

Is she somehow more virtuous because she “doesn’t court the paparazzi” but puts hundreds of self-portraits on her Instagram, knowing there’s a high chance the Daily Mail and other rags will take those photos and make stories out of them?

What’s the difference?

The DM will just as readily do that to you if you ever have the misfortune of ending up in the news. Your only option is making Instagram private, which isn't something she's going to do.

SusieBlue

Shelga wrote: »

Is she somehow more virtuous because she “doesn’t court the paparazzi” but puts hundreds of self-portraits on her Instagram, knowing there’s a high chance the Daily Mail and other rags will take those photos and make stories out of them?

What’s the difference?

I really don't think that behaviour is unique to her, though.
The vast majority of people, famous or not, use Instagram for that purpose. Selfies are part of popular culture now. While it may be an alien concept to you and others, for a lot of people its the norm to mostly post pictures of them looking their best on their feed.

I don't think the fact that they choose to utilise their social media that way justifies the level of intrusion, and at times harrassment, they have to tolerate from the media at all.

Shelga

SusieBlue wrote: »

I really don't think that behaviour is unique to her, though.
The vast majority of people, famous or not, use Instagram for that purpose. Selfies are part of popular culture now. While it may be an alien concept to you and others, for a lot of people its the norm to mostly post pictures of them looking their best on their feed.

I don't think the fact that they choose to utilise their social media that way justifies the level of intrusion, and at times harrassment, they have to tolerate from the media at all.

True. I guess the main point is that Laura Whitmore and people like her want to be famous, whereas to me, it is literally my worst nightmare. I feel tense even thinking about it.

Everything else just ends up going round in circles. If people want to spend their days posting photos of themselves, in order to get 800 comments saying "you look stunning hun xx", let them at it. I still think it then somewhat weakens their argument that photographers shouldn't want to take photos of them. Not saying it's right necessarily, but I'm not going to act horrified that she had her photo taken when it didn't suit her.

the_pen_turner

i dont see the problem with instagram . lots of companies use it to show off what they sell. look at kitchen companies, loads of pics that make themselves look good.companies want to look good but also keep in customers thoughts. the product these celebs are selling is themselves. its no diferent.

Boggles

Shelga wrote: »

True. I guess the main point is that Laura Whitmore and people like her want to be famous, whereas to me, it is literally my worst nightmare. I feel tense even thinking about it.

So what you are saying is different people want different things in life? Hardly a mental concept is it?

Whitmore is a television and radio presenter, "being famous" goes with the territory.

She comes across as a very intelligent and highly capable and driven person who has made a great career for herself, which is multi faceted.

I think if that makes you feel tense, the problem isn't with Whitmore or anyone else TBF.

Shelga

Boggles wrote: »

So what you are saying is different people want different things in life? Hardly a mental concept is it?

Whitmore is a television and radio presenter, "being famous" goes with the territory.

She comes across as a very intelligent and highly capable and driven person who has made a great career for herself, which is multi faceted.

I think if that makes you feel tense, the problem isn't with Whitmore or anyone else TBF.

What problem? This is a discussion board no?

hetuzozaho

Boggles wrote: »

Whitmore is a television and radio presenter, "being famous" goes with the territory.

I think lack of privacy goes with the famous territory though.

Boggles

Shelga wrote: »

What problem?

Your anxiety that you just told us about.

FullMoonFever

Mwengwe wrote: »

She had Flack's blessing and encouragement by all accounts.

Flack was doing the noble thing. Whitmore was rubbing it in her face.

I don't think they were as close friends as LW is making out.

the_pen_turner

hetuzozaho wrote: »

I think lack of privacy goes with the famous territory though.

no it doesnt. look at cameron diaz and others. they live very private lives. presumably that takes work though
she had a baby (presumably seragate or adoption) months ago and noone has posted pics of the child or published how or when it happened.

Boggles

hetuzozaho wrote: »

I think lack of privacy goes with the famous territory though.

Absolutely there is a bit of a sell off.

That doesn't mean the scum get to have carte blanche.

Shelga

Boggles wrote: »

Your anxiety that you just told us about.

I don't suffer from anxiety, thanks for the concern though. I said I don't like the idea of being famous. I would have thought this was the default position for most people.

Boggles

Shelga wrote: »

I don't suffer from anxiety, thanks for the concern though. I said I don't like the idea of being famous. I would have thought this was the default position for most people.

Good but TBF I can only form an opinion on what you post and you were a little more forthright then "default" position.

Shelga wrote: »

True. I guess the main point is that Laura Whitmore and people like her want to be famous, whereas to me, it is literally my worst nightmare. I feel tense even thinking about it.

"Literally my Worst nightmare" invoking a physical reaction?

I wouldn't like to be famous either, but I can think of far worse nightmares TBF, maybe that's just me.

Mwengwe

FullMoonFever wrote: »

Flack was doing the noble thing. Whitmore was rubbing it in her face.

I don't think they were as close friends as LW is making out.

That's possible, I'll give you that. On both counts. But we don't know.

Shelga

Boggles wrote: »

Good but TBF I can only form an opinion on what you post and you were a little more forthright then "default" position.



"Literally my Worst nightmare" invoking a physical reaction?

I wouldn't like to be famous either, but I can think of far worse nightmares TBF, maybe that's just me.

Why don't we just get back to the topic at hand? Do you think celebrities like Caroline Flack and Laura Whitmore are complicit in a toxic celebrity culture that is ultimately detrimental to women and society at large?

borderlinemeath

Shelga wrote: »

Why would any close friends WANT to go? To stand and pose on a red carpet and fake smile?

Because that is their job. That is what their career earnings are. It's a lucrative career, but for most a short one. Only the very few successful ones maintain it long term so they have to be ever present or they'll fall into obscurity.

It's not my choice as a career, but I get it. When you're in the public eye in a transient career such as this you need to be ever present. I'm not going to slam them for it, or call them a lot of the names bandied about this thread.

Boggles

Shelga wrote: »

Why don't we just get back to the topic at hand? Do you think celebrities like Caroline Flack and Laura Whitmore are complicit in a toxic celebrity culture that is ultimately detrimental to women and society at large?

Oh you are asking the wrong person there, I would close down social media, the rag scum and all reality TV in a heart beat.

I would jail any editor that purposely oversaw the publishing of verifiable lies which resulted in the harming of anyone.

Seriously no one would want me in charge.

borderlinemeath

the_pen_turner wrote: »

no it doesnt. look at cameron diaz and others. they live very private lives. presumably that takes work though
she had a baby (presumably seragate or adoption) months ago and noone has posted pics of the child or published how or when it happened.

Lots of people keep their children private on SM. They tend to say that their children didn't choose their lifestyle so they can make the decision for themselves when they are old enough, but when they are babies/children they can remain anonymous.

the_pen_turner

borderlinemeath wrote: »

Lots of people keep their children private on SM. They tend to say that their children didn't choose their lifestyle so they can make the decision for themselves when they are old enough, but when they are babies/children they can remain anonymous.

the point is that they can choose how they use the media in a lot of cases. some choose to be private and other use it to put them selves all over the media

0127647

I take no issue with LWs success. I'm not sure why anyone would. 95% of her business career has been reality tv/teenie bopper/Sleb tv. The height of her acting career has been voiceover on the Eurovision so id say the Emmys are a bit down the line.
if she's able to carve out a niche for herself, more power to her but she can be called out on her self serving embarrassing behaviour since her supposed friends death.

a great comment yesterday that this could have for 15 mins at least shone a light on mental health but has now become an unedifying side show regarding the tabloids.

zero dignity has been afforded flacks family by the likes of whitmore
even that eoghan mcdermott is having his piece to say on the late late tonight.

disrespectful disgraceful behaviour from self serving bottom feeders