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So according to the Sindo,its an FF-FG-Green-Grand coalition then ?

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    #272
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    As a SF voter I can't stand the idea of them being just ignored because I do want to see progress on the housing front.that said I would like to see the other parties wake up to what people are asking and stop acting like rabbits in the headlights and actually put things in motion to start tackling the housing issues.
    We need affordable housing for all and we need the prices of houses to fall. If any party going into power fails to achieve this I hope they are decimated.there are no excuses this time.
    And for the love of God please let Eoghan Murphy and Simon Harris lose their titles. Literally an inanimate carbon rod would do a better job.


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    #273
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,450 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Profoundly wrong. If you are going to contribute please come here with the facts straight.

    OK well didn't go back into power sharing.

    Better?


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    #274
    flutered
    Registered Users Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭flutered


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    You can't believe anything you read in the Sindo. Nor anything Mary Lou or SF comes out with.
    so we can say all the things they have accused sf of can be taken with a pinch of salt


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    #275
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users Posts: 16,574 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    threeball wrote: »
    MM said he wouldn't deal with either FG or SF

    To be accurate he said he wouldn't do full coalition with FG but grudgingly left the door open to another confidence & supply deal. Very difficult to make C&S work with the numbers though, and FG have set their face against it. So looks like Martin will have to break his word, unless they come up with some hybrid arrangement that he can claim isn't 'technically' a coalition...


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    #276
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,179 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    OK well didn't go back into power sharing.

    Better?

    If your analogy said that FG made an agreement with SF and then it walked away from that agreement that would be closer to what happened in NI.


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    #277
    [Deleted User]
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    smurgen wrote: »
    As a SF voter I can't stand the idea of them being just ignored because I do want to see progress on the housing front.that said I would like to see the other parties wake up to what people are asking and stop acting like rabbits in the headlights and actually put things in motion to start tackling the housing issues.
    We need affordable housing for all and we need the prices of houses to fall. If any party going into power fails to achieve this I hope they are decimated.there are no excuses this time.
    And for the love of God please let Eoghan Murphy and Simon Harris lose their titles. Literally an inanimate carbon rod would do a better job.

    Progress IS being made on the housing front. People need learn to live within their means. Why do so called homeless people continue to have children when they’ve got no home? What genuinely homeless person would turn down a perfectly good property just because it’s not in their preferred area? After all, hard working families have to move to more affordable areas. Why can’t the homeless?


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    #278
    omega man
    Registered Users Posts: 4,885 ✭✭✭omega man


    I’m not a SF voter but I agree that a FF / SF coalition would be a better option right now with respect to giving SF a chance to either prove or expose themselves. Not sure it’d last long though...
    FG could do with a run in opposition likewise.


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    #279
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,673 ✭✭✭Feisar


    smurgen wrote: »
    As a SF voter I can't stand the idea of them being just ignored because I do want to see progress on the housing front.that said I would like to see the other parties wake up to what people are asking and stop acting like rabbits in the headlights and actually put things in motion to start tackling the housing issues.
    We need affordable housing for all and we need the prices of houses to fall. If any party going into power fails to achieve this I hope they are decimated.there are no excuses this time.
    And for the love of God please let Eoghan Murphy and Simon Harris lose their titles. Literally an inanimate carbon rod would do a better job.

    Are you not raging with your party for not putting out enough candidates?

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #280
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Progress IS being made on the housing front. People need learn to live within their means. Why do so called homeless people continue to have children when they’ve got no home? What genuinely homeless person would turn down a perfectly good property just because it’s not in their preferred area? After all, hard working families have to move to more affordable areas. Why can’t the homeless?

    I would love for the media to ask these questions.

    Why are certain people entitled to more than those who work or rent? No fear in having more kids or ever getting evicted


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    #281
    JamesM
    Registered Users Posts: 1,775 ✭✭✭JamesM


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Progress IS being made on the housing front. People need learn to live within their means. Why do so called homeless people continue to have children when they’ve got no home? What genuinely homeless person would turn down a perfectly good property just because it’s not in their preferred area? After all, hard working families have to move to more affordable areas. Why can’t the homeless?
    A friend recently showed surprise when a work colleague said that his daughter, who was living in the family home, was expecting her third child. He explained that she needed it to get the house !


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    #282
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    whats peoples obsession with the anti commuter, elitist, dublin centric greens. Its like voting for the political wing of donnybrook fair.

    In what way are the greens anti commuter?


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    #283
    storker
    Registered Users Posts: 5,679 ✭✭✭storker


    Astrid Hallowed Zeppelin wrote: »
    Whatever happened to the Monster Raving Looney Party when you need them :)

    They're in Kerry. :)


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    #284
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    In what way are the greens anti commuter?

    Proposing carbon tax increases before alternatives are available
    anti-car taxation and suggestions of a congestion charge
    carbon taxes on fuel still impact bus and rail

    Their policies work to encourage people from dublin to take the options they have, of which the vast majority already are , but punish those who work at night, live rurally or cant afford to live near public transport.

    Their policies are disproportionately impacting the poor.


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    #285
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Proposing carbon tax increases before alternatives are available
    anti-car taxation and suggestions of a congestion charge
    carbon taxes on fuel still impact bus and rail

    Their policies work to encourage people from dublin to take the options they have, of which the vast majority already are , but punish those who work at night, live rurally or cant afford to live near public transport.

    Their policies are disproportionately impacting the poor.
    The greens proposed a massive expansion in public transport. The car is delaying those who take PT part of the solution to improving PT is to limit the amount of single occupancy cars on the road


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    #286
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    The greens proposed a massive expansion in public transport. The car is delaying those who take PT part of the solution to improving PT is to limit the amount of single occupancy cars on the road

    And expanding public transport to cities is a good thing , but their policies hurt those who are never going to have access to public transport. They should just improve PT and if it naturally was a better option people would go for it, having to punish car drivers imdicates their lack of faith in PT altogether.


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    #287
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Progress IS being made on the housing front. People need learn to live within their means. Why do so called homeless people continue to have children when they’ve got no home? What genuinely homeless person would turn down a perfectly good property just because it’s not in their preferred area? After all, hard working families have to move to more affordable areas. Why can’t the homeless?

    No it's not housing cost are out of proportion compared to other countries. The raise in housing costs also vastly outstripped the raise in wages for the last 11 years.


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    #288
    [Deleted User]
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    smurgen wrote: »
    No it's not housing cost are out of proportion compared to other countries. The raise in housing costs also vastly outstripped the raise in wages for the last 11 years.

    We’re talking about Ireland here. Not other countries. If someone is genuinely homeless, they’ll be happy to be housed, no matter where it is on this island of ours.


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    #289
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    We’re talking about Ireland here. Not other countries. If someone is genuinely homeless, they’ll be happy to be housed, no matter where it is on this island of ours.

    You keep talking about homeless I'm talking about working people.working people have suffered. Any growth in wages has been wiped out by the growth in housing costs.many younger workers have effective missed any of the boom of the last 11 years. We are never getting that money back.


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    #290
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    We’re talking about Ireland here. Not other countries. If someone is genuinely homeless, they’ll be happy to be housed, no matter where it is on this island of ours.

    You keep talking about homeless I'm talking about working people.working people have suffered. Any growth in wages has been wiped out by the growth in housing costs.many younger workers have effective missed any of the boom of the last 11 years. We are never getting that money back.


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    #291
    FTA69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    SF the only opposition to a pair of parties that now finally have to dispense with the pretence that they’re in any way different. Greens to shoot themselves in the head again, Labour in terminal decline. Probably a rotating Taoiseach between the D4 boys and the slieveens.

    SF government in four years.


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    #292
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    And expanding public transport to cities is a good thing , but their policies hurt those who are never going to have access to public transport. They should just improve PT and if it naturally was a better option people would go for it, having to punish car drivers imdicates their lack of faith in PT altogether.

    You could have said the same about the smoking ban. Some people will never or cannot not change. That doesn't mean we pander to this minority who are negatively affecting the majority.


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    #293
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,096 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    FTA69 wrote: »
    SF the only opposition to a pair of parties that now finally have to dispense with the pretence that they’re in any way different. Greens to shoot themselves in the head again, Labour in terminal decline. Probably a rotating Taoiseach between the D4 boys and the slieveens.

    SF government in four years.

    That is a good basis for a new government. 75% support and SF with 25% the only opposition.


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    #294
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    You could have said the same about the smoking ban. Some people will never or cannot not change. That doesn't mean we pander to this minority who are negatively affecting the majority.

    somebody smoking and expecting people to sit beside them and somebody simply never being on a bus route and needing to get to work every day and struggling with the costs of such at present are two different things


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    #295
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    somebody smoking and expecting people to sit beside them and somebody simply never being on a bus route and needing to get to work every day and struggling with the costs of such at present are two different things

    No they aren't there is very much an equivalence.


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    #296
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    We’re talking about Ireland here. Not other countries. If someone is genuinely homeless, they’ll be happy to be housed, no matter where it is on this island of ours.

    You don't want us to compare to other countries because when we do it becomes blindingly obvious that something is unbelievably wrong and dysfunctional with our rental and housing market.we've lost a decade of wage growth due to FG inaction on housing. If this isn't the case then please explain this to me ;

    https://twitter.com/thecurrency/status/1225761337873174528?s=19


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    #297
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    No they aren't there is very much an equivalence.

    so somebody in rural donegal deserves to be taxes more to encourage somebody living in castleknock onto a bus, gotcha....


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    #298
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,507 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    You could have said the same about the smoking ban. Some people will never or cannot not change. That doesn't mean we pander to this minority who are negatively affecting the majority.

    Not everyone lives in Dublin FFS.


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    #299
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    so somebody in rural donegal deserves to be taxes more to encourage somebody living in castleknock onto a bus, gotcha....
    There are plenty of options to encourage people on to PT. Taxing them would be my last option


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    #300
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,971 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Yer wan in Clare had five kids and never paid a penny in rent. Violet.

    WTF? Ok she was elected. For SF who are going to solve the housing issue. Yeah right.


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    #301
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    There are plenty of options to encourage people on to PT. Taxing them would be my last option

    explain to me what the green party are currently suggesting doing (because your ideas arent the rapidly approaching policy here, as good as they may be) that doesn't harm rural dwellers with no other option to travel to work except the car ?


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