"None of our children on the list are getting these houses"

CinemaGuy45

maneno wrote: »

Don’t understand the Alan shatter giveaway reference but you do realize there are immigration legislation that allows one to become a citizen after a set period of time in any country, but shure why not blame all these bloody non nationals for everything ðŸ˜

I have clearly explained all my points but you are trying to deflect with a faux outrage.

People that can not or will not support themselves should not be coming or saying in Ireland on mass especially while we have a health service and housing crisis.

As regards people from Poland and surrounding nations they for the most part are hardworking decent people who have been let down by their own governments.

Having more people chasing the same jobs lowers wages that is simple economics.

I know of a good few polish people who have managed to get a mortgage and get onto the property ladder and fair play to them.

However large numbers of polish are in private rental accommodation struggling, it lines the pockets of the landlords and gives firms loads of cheap workers who can not afford to be out of work.

In every situation there are winners and losers the Irish working class are the losers here and there is plenty of blame to go around.

4068ac1elhodqr

alastair wrote: »

Anyone who doesn’t comply is subject to enforced deportation. But that is only a minority of those who are issued deportation orders. The man you mention is fighting an enforced deportation.

The man we mention also refused his 2015 (non enforced) deportation, as he couldn't be found. If you hide away, you simply can't be removed. The 2nd order he is now appealing, even though he lied through his teeth from the start.


https://www.thesun.ie/news/5055250/asylum-seeker-gay-death-threats-fathered-children-court/


Tends to happen when you give a false name, false country of origin, false sob story, an so on. A mockery of sorts.

Thatsthejob

alastair wrote: »

Most people couldn’t give a ****e how their near neighbours came to live in their homes. They just care that they’re decent neighbours.

Disclaimer - live in an area of owner-occupiers, private rental tenants and local authority tenants. Nobody got a ‘free house’ btw.

So if you buy a house for 300k in an estate then the council take the one next door for social housing. Do you think this will increase or decrease the value you off your new property!

I certainly wouldn't be happy to be in that position.

douglashyde

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The story in that article about 10 people living in a house, the 29 year old in her ma’s council gaf sharing a room with her kids, her sister and her sisters kids, talk about a shicking lack of personal responsibility there and where are the fathers in all this ?

However this quote got me “
a disproportionate number of migrant families are allocated housing compared with other areas, said Píaras Mac Éinrí, a lecturer in University College Cork.“

So it seems they do have a reason to believe there are ‘two lists’ or whatever way it works.


Our housing system should prioristise every single irish born person with irish parents over any foreign nationals, we should be housing irish people of the lowest priority (single young people) before we even start on the list of migrants.

I wouldn't believe that it should be solely judged on national/non-national, imo priority should be given in the following order:

- Working, up skilling or disabled Irish Nationals
- Working or up skilling Non Nationals
- Non working or contributing Irish Nationals
- Non working Non Nationals: not on list (excluding asylum seekers)

A tiered system encouraging positive contribution to society makes sense. A contributing / integrated foreign national should be given preference over a non contributing Irish national. Hiding behind your passport won't fly.

alastair

olestoepoke wrote: »

quote from the examiner for last year I believe. Not exactly the "vast majority" now is it?

The Irish authorities had the lowest rate of refusal to applications from asylum seekers of any of the EU’s 28 member states last year.

Only 15% of first-time decisions on asylum applications in Ireland were rejected, compared to an EU average of 63%.

A total of 1,275 asylum seekers in the Republic were granted protection last year, of which 815 were awarded refugee status.

2018 was an aberration in asylum refusals, with the near blanket approval of 420 Syrian claims. Typically in any year around 80% of claims are rejected.

alastair

Jimmy Mushy Snotty wrote: »

The man we mention also refused his 2015 (non enforced) deportation, as he couldn't be found. If you hide away, you simply can't be removed. The 2nd order he is now appealing, even though he lied through his teeth from the start.


https://www.thesun.ie/news/5055250/asylum-seeker-gay-death-threats-fathered-children-court/


Tends to happen when you give a false name, false country of origin, false sob story, an so on. A mockery of sorts.

Worth noting that he hid, but he was found, and then put in prison pending his enforced deportation. That’s the system working.

Eric Cartman

douglashyde wrote: »

I wouldn't believe that it should be solely judged on national/non-national, imo priority should be given in the following order:

- Working, up skilling or disabled Irish Nationals
- Working or up skilling Non Nationals
- Non working or contributing Irish Nationals
- Non working Non Nationals: not on list (excluding asylum seekers)

A tiered system encouraging positive contribution to society makes sense. A contributing / integrated foreign national should be given preference over a non contributing Irish national. Hiding behind your passport won't fly.

this I can certainly get behind, We should be prioritising work and serving irish nationals born of Irish parents first.

The current system is just causing a race to the bottom where nationals who don't contribute are being overlooked for non nationals who don't contribute and causing tension at the very bottom of the priority list

alastair

n97 mini wrote: »

The 2004 referendum closed it off. This case was what eventually led to that referendum, though the masters of the maternity hospitals had flagged it as a major cause of overcrowding in the years prior.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chen_v_Home_Secretary

Nope - the maternity hospital masters did no such thing: https://www.rte.ie/news/2004/0313/46939-citizenship/

Immigration figures grew after 2004, they didn’t reduce.

Feisar

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Same situation where i live, only difference is that it's mainly Irish people hanging around doing nothing
Social Welfare shouldn't support lazy people who don't care to look for a job

It's a tax/burden, we have to shoulder to keep the scrapings of the barrel semi sedated. Otherwise crime would spiral out of control.

Mic 1972

Ireland doesn't have an unemployment issue, it's one of the best economic performers in Europe
To live on Social Welfare on a permanent basis is an insult, an attitude that should be eradicated

Monkeynut

Deleted User wrote: »

Several things should happen.

1) You certainly shouldn’t get ANY choice in were your free house will be located.

Then you have problem with childcare, if they are lone parent. They could work. So it costs more money to send them to childcare and taxes pay for it. Whereas closer to relatives they could do free childcare and that's less expense to the taxpayer.
Although it may not work out as the house closer could be more expensive or vice versa be cheaper.

Deleted User wrote: »

2) You only get 1 offer. Take it or go to the back of the queue.

Same kinda as above, But I agree don't be waiting for one next door to your mother.

Deleted User wrote: »

4) Annual review. If 2 kids have moved out, move to a smaller place. Shouldn’t make a difference if somebody is 70. You should have bought your own place if you wanted the luxury of a certain area.

Agreed but would have to be local, when you get old and people are dying around you its good to have neighbors.

Deleted User wrote: »

5) Reduce dole for each year a person is claiming it.

Halved each year

Deleted User wrote: »

A government would be crucified for it.

I wish they'd care more about the problems than themselves.

Thatsthejob wrote: »

So if you buy a house for 300k in an estate then the council take the one next door for social housing. Do you think this will increase or decrease the value you off your new property!

I certainly wouldn't be happy to be in that position.

Agreed, but think of the kids if they have nice neighbors and nice friends in the estate. The future could be better for everyone. Not always of course.

Put them all in the same place, darndale.

alastair

Thatsthejob wrote: »

So if you buy a house for 300k in an estate then the council take the one next door for social housing. Do you think this will increase or decrease the value you off your new property!

I certainly wouldn't be happy to be in that position.

Most people use their house as a home, not a speculation prospect. And having local authority tenants beside vs private tenants would make no difference to your property value in any case.

CinemaGuy45

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Ireland doesn't have an unemployment issue, it's one of the best economic performers in Europe
To live on Social Welfare on a permanent basis is an insult, an attitude that should be eradicated

If I happen to get sick I must pay the Doctor €70 or so that is before I get my prescriptions.
I do not get sick pay either.

I can understand why some think that work does not pay.

pinkyeye

Idbatterim wrote: »

the kids are the golden ticket to the cholocate factory, I know a lady, relationship with partners ends, they have a young kid, two weeks in a hotel and then given a two bed apartment on the quays in dublin! You know anyone currently renting or living at home etc, who wouldnt give their right boll*ck to avail of that kind of a deal?!

Total bull**** story, no-one gets accommodation after two weeks. If they do it's on HAP where they've no security and have to pay hundreds a month towards the rent.

So yeah, proof or stfu.

4068ac1elhodqr

alastair wrote: »

That’s the system working.

Not working, he 'simply ignored' the deportation order back in 2015. Calling it an order is silly, it was more of request.

He made (and is still making) a mockery of the system, and with growing legal expense the taxpayer has to fork out for.

From the article:

...the State still isn’t sure what his real name is. He’s believed to have used a series of false names, aliases and ages over the years.

He went 'missing' for 5 whole yrs. Likely entered the black market for this duration of time, assisted by criminal gangs to avoid detection.

Jinglejangle69

pinkyeye wrote: »

Total bull**** story, no-one gets accommodation after two weeks. If they do it's on HAP where they've no security and have to pay hundreds a month towards the rent.

So yeah, proof or stfu.

Maggie Cash.

baldbear

I'm from Longford where there are plenty of Africans and Eastern Europeans. Theres an asylum centre in the town.

Longford town is been ruined by scumbags & guess where the are from? Longford. Travellers have been feuding for years and has escalated all over the town now. Its sickening. I wish these families were replaced by foreigners.

CinemaGuy45

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Maggie Cash.

The Gubberment helped her.

She was working but stuffing Penneys clothes down her knickers was just getting too much with the babbies ta mind boss.

alastair

Jimmy Mushy Snotty wrote: »

Not working, he 'simply ignored' the deportation order back in 2015. Calling it an order is silly, it was more of request.

He made (and is still making) a mockery of the system, and with growing legal expense the taxpayer has to fork out for.

From the article:


He went 'missing' for 5 whole yrs. Likely entered the black market for this duration of time, assisted by criminal gangs to avoid detection.

He ignored it. He got enforced deportation.

Nobody gets enforced deportation unless they don’t comply with a deportation order. That’s the process.

Cantona's Collars

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Ireland doesn't have an unemployment issue, it's one of the best economic performers in Europe
To live on Social Welfare on a permanent basis is an insult, an attitude that should be eradicated

Kind of ironic that the companies building the houses are looking for able bodied people to work on the sites and there's people walking past every day with their hands in their pockets (or down the front of their tracksuits) unwilling to work.

4068ac1elhodqr

alastair wrote: »

He ignored it. He got enforced deportation.

Nope, he's appealing that also, so hasn't got anything.

alastair wrote: »

Nobody gets enforced deportation....

Exactly, 'orders' are akin to polite requests.

CinemaGuy45

baldbear wrote: »

I'm from Longford where there are plenty of Africans and Eastern Europeans. Theres an asylum centre in the town.

Longford town is been ruined by scumbags & guess where the are from? Longford. Travellers have been feuding for years and has escalated all over the town now. Its sickening. I wish these families were replaced by foreigners.

Ah but it's their culture boss.

They got homes built for them but refused them because there was no place for their illegal mistreated horses.

I would rather have none of the above next to me but the ones you mention are the worst of the worst by a very wide margin.

4068ac1elhodqr

baldbear wrote: »

I wish these families were replaced by foreigners.

So replace one ethnic minority with another ethnic minority, ok...
Sounds a little bit like ethnic-cleansing all the same.

Cantona's Collars

Jimmy Mushy Snotty wrote: »

So replace one ethnic minority with another ethnic minority, ok...
Sounds a little bit like ethnic-cleansing all the same.

Not really,at least one group won't be fighting on the streets with slash hooks.

Spanish Eyes

alastair wrote: »

Most people use their house as a home, not a speculation prospect. And having local authority tenants beside vs private tenants would make no difference to your property value in any case.

Glad I bought my house second hand in an established area with no 20% rule TBH. But then again I am a snob obviously to some, I don't really care.

Would never buy new with that 20% rule extant. Sorry now, my money, my choice.

CinemaGuy45

Jimmy Mushy Snotty wrote: »

So replace one ethnic minority with another ethnic minority, ok...
Sounds a little bit like ethnic-cleansing all the same.

Rarrrr Rarrr Rarrr RRRRR Racist Raarrr.

4068ac1elhodqr

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

Not really,at least one group won't be fighting on the streets with slash hooks.

Perhaps, but you could also end up with zombie knifes or samurai swords instead, have you seen the recent knife stats for (multi-cultural) London recently?

Eric Cartman

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

Not really,at least one group won't be fighting on the streets with slash hooks.

FGM, child sex abuse gangs, culturally accepted domestic violence against women, credit card fraud rings, youth drug dealing and crime gangs and religious extremism inspired violent acts are much much better.

* this is not saying that they all do this , but it is a response to a post about activities which an element of a certain minority are known for so I am replying with things that non native groups are known for.

we really need to move beyond the 'who's scummier' leauge table and say that we don't want any of this in our society, lets talk about prioritising working nationals who contribute for social housing and the gigantic prison we really need to build before reforming sentencing.

ThunbergsAreGo

douglashyde wrote: »

I wouldn't believe that it should be solely judged on national/non-national, imo priority should be given in the following order:

- Working, up skilling or disabled Irish Nationals
- Working or up skilling Non Nationals
- Non working or contributing Irish Nationals
- Non working Non Nationals: not on list (excluding asylum seekers)

A tiered system encouraging positive contribution to society makes sense. A contributing / integrated foreign national should be given preference over a non contributing Irish national. Hiding behind your passport won't fly.

Couldn't agree more. There is a need for social housing and more of it.

at the moment however the system used for allocating them is flawed and open to massive abuse, especially with social media.

A race to the bottom to be more 'needy'

CinemaGuy45

Jimmy Mushy Snotty wrote: »

Perhaps, but you could also end up with zombie knifes or samurai swords instead, have you seen the recent knife stats for (multi-cultural) London recently?

Ah sure it's just life in a big city like their Mayor said.
Loads of social housing given to non English look how that worked out.