The Irish Coastline is open to all.

Del.Monte

Sloane Purring Fluoride wrote: »

Sensationalist headline is sensationalist.

The coast is far from open. It's patrolled by the navy and they a bloody good job of it too despite being undermanned.

You should read this and appraise yourself of the actual situation.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/naval-service-forced-to-delay-mission-due-to-lack-of-crew-1.4155464

Graces7

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

This hunk of junk gets through, but my shipment of half a ton of high-quality Peruvian blow was intercepted.

Typical.

Quite right too; good work

whisky_galore

Graces7 wrote: »

hmmmm, was there not a rather large ship once collided with an enormous iceberg....

Racing into an ice field, in the dark, an ice field that they were made aware of by other vessels.
So, yeah.

CrankyHaus

The most impressive thing to me was that an abandoned vessel stayed afloat for so long. It really shows how seaworthy ships are.

As far as destroying it goes, bad idea. Much easier to simply avoid it and let it wash up.

In 1967 the British tried to destroy the SS Torrey Canyon and ignite it's fuel load to prevent/mitigate an oil spill. Over 160 bombs (plus rockets, kerosene and napalm) over two days was inadequate.

Ubbquittious

Once no radioactive mutated giant cannibal rats managed to land there's nothing to worry about.

Cee-Jay-Cee

From the Universe is Awesome thread:

Hector Savage wrote: »

Yep!
Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.


:P

seamus wrote: »

The ocean is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to the ocean.

The odds of this thing drifting and colliding with another ship are tiny. Boat traffic tends to travel in very defined routes, and very hard to not see an object of this size from several KM away.

It's a bit like dropping a rock from the ISS and worrying that it would hit a plane on the way down. The odds of such a thing would actually be tiny.

Are you and Hector Savage related or the same person???

salmocab

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

You could say the same about rocks and reefs and small islands, yet they see fit to put lights on them despite the minuscule chance of hitting them. If there's stuff there, ships have a way of finding them!

And yet none hit this ship

spurious

Are there lots of similar empty vessels bobbing about all over the world?

Ubbquittious

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

From the Universe is Awesome thread:





Are you and Hector Savage related or the same person???

Yep. You're after uncloaking him.

salmocab

Graces7 wrote: »

hmmmm, was there not a rather large ship once collided with an enormous iceberg....

Yes and the oceans have plenty of ice bergs and plenty of ships but they rarely collide. Because in the grand scheme the oceans are huge and the ships and ice bergs are tiny.

whisky_galore

spurious wrote: »

Are there lots of similar empty vessels bobbing about all over the world?

North Korean "ghost ships" end up off Japanese waters, often with remains of crew still aboard.

thomil

spurious wrote: »

Are there lots of similar empty vessels bobbing about all over the world?

A quick search shows 9 instances of such vessels since 2002, not counting the 100+ North Korean fishing boats found either abandoned or with deceased crews between 2013 and 2017 by the Japanese Coast Guard. It's not an everyday occurrence, but it's not unheard of either.

CrankyHaus

spurious wrote: »

Are there lots of similar empty vessels bobbing about all over the world?

Maybe lots if you include small vessels like yacht and fishing boat size. Bigger ones seem rarer. Like the Lyubov Orlova abandoned off Canada in 2013 or the Jian Seng found off Australia in 2006. Given the fact that these seem to only be found when they come close to the coast or just run aground you could speculate about more just out in the middle of nowhere.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya!

WooHoo... free ship! :pac:

Just need to give her a fill of diesel, and we're good to go... wait... how much does a tank of diesel cost for a 250 ft container ship? :P

HeidiHeidi

salmocab wrote: »

And yet none hit this ship

And that's why I was expressing surprise.....

whisky_galore

It's just been pure luck but it's run out now.
They'll probably have a look if it has any pollutants on board, if they can't get it off the rocks to sink it in deep water they'll cordon it off from the public and let the sea at it I guess.

FrancieBrady

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=abandoned+ships+floating+at+sea

cj maxx

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

WooHoo... free ship! :pac:

Just need to give her a fill of diesel, and we're good to go... wait... how much does a tank of diesel cost for a 250 ft container ship? :P

And no doubt there's Sea tax to be paid and a a disc for the front window !

corner of hells

Mary Lou was enquiring of Martin Ferris if he knew anything about it after him being captain of the Marita Ann.

BarryD2

salmocab wrote: »

I presume it would have to be fired on by a naval vessel. As it was a storm when they last knew it’s whereabouts it may have been in someone else’s water or it may not have been heading our way.

Jurisdiction maybe the problem alright. But presumably it could also have been boarded and suitably holed by explosives. If not, sure don't the Brits and other armies/ navies have a supply of explosive shells, torpedoes and ordnance going out of date and needing to be used up? That's what our lads do down in Glen Imaal isn't it - training exercises and using up short dated ammo?

salmocab

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

And that's why I was expressing surprise.....

Really the surprise should be in the unlikely happening which would be anything at all substantive hitting a ship.

tjdaly

Honestly, they should just let them bring the substances onto the shore and do whatever. Quality would rise, and you would take the criminality out of it. I've an uncle that was transporting heroin in his lorry (long distance truck driver) that has lost everything, his wife, his children, his home, because he was caught, even though he was just the mule. Family won't talk to him, but they never asked when he was buying new cars, second home, flat screen etc.

josip

corner of hells wrote: »

Mary Lou was enquiring of Martin Ferris if he knew anything about it after him being captain of the Marita Ann.

Mike Browne skippered the Marita Ann.

corner of hells

josip wrote: »

Mike Browne skippered the Marita Ann.

Okay , head chef then.

Effects

thomil wrote: »

200+ kilograms of military grade explosive can be quite "persuasive", but that would open up a whole new can of worms, namely targeting, avoiding civilian casualties, etc.

I think keeping civilians away from a ship in the ocean is pretty simple for anyone that can source and place 200kg of military grade explosives.

thomil

Effects wrote: »

I think keeping civilians away from a ship in the ocean is pretty simple for anyone that can source and place 200kg of military grade explosives.

It's more keeping the explosives away from the civilians, i.E preventing the missile's seeker from locking onto a functioning cargo ship, rather than the abandoned one. Harpoon missiles have successfully "sunk" farm houses in Denmark, so this is not as far-fetched as it might seem.

CrankyHaus

thomil wrote: »

It's more keeping the explosives away from the civilians, i.E preventing the missile's seeker from locking onto a functioning cargo ship, rather than the abandoned one. Harpoon missiles have successfully "sunk" farm houses in Denmark, so this is not as far-fetched as it might seem.

Putting the vessel under tow to port seems like a cheaper and easier way to deal with it if it has to be done.

Effects

thomil wrote: »

It's more keeping the explosives away from the civilians. so this is not as far-fetched as it might seem.

Yeah, it is far fetched.

Church on Tuesday

Rhys Essien wrote: »

So a 250ft abandoned container ship drifts closer and closer to Ireland and washes up on the South Coast only to be discovered by a fella out jogging. This is truly shocking. This happened only a few miles from the main Naval base in Cork harbour yet it wasn’t picked up by radar or sea patrols etc. This ship could have been carrying anyone or anything.

It makes you wonder how many smaller boats are coming ashore here without any fear of being caught. Other articles talk about how Ireland and Europe is awash with drugs. It’s easy to see why.

The paranoia is real.

dan1895

The real question is what do we do with all the hot pants on board?

Sloane Purring Fluoride

Sloane Purring Fluoride wrote: »

Sensationalist headline is sensationalist.

The coast is far from open. It's patrolled by the navy and they a bloody good job of it too despite being undermanned.

Hard to measure how good a job they do really though.

Say my name

Well it had to happen with no authorities keeping guard.

https://twitter.com/VirginMediaNews/status/1229839246460059651?s=20

Where will the bits be advertised for sale?
Done deal, eBay ?

Markcheese

Why would you guard it ,it's no a crime scene .. its a deserted ship ,with no cargo , at the bottom of a cliff ,
Most people wouldnt be daft enough to go aboard ,
And if a couple of idiots do ,then hey ho ...

Quantum Erasure

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

The paranoia is real.

it's true though, if this can just turn up, imagine what you could get through with some effort or planning.


loads of drugs

Esel

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

it's true though, if this can just turn up, imagine what you could get through with some effort or planning.


loads of drugs

Throw another sod of cannabis on the fire there.

Say my name

Markcheese wrote: »

Why would you guard it ,it's no a crime scene .. its a deserted ship ,with no cargo , at the bottom of a cliff ,
Most people wouldnt be daft enough to go aboard ,
And if a couple of idiots do ,then hey ho ...

Well considering the lax attitude of this country in it taking 3 days since the ship washed ashore and it only being inspected by officials today and members of the public being allowed to board it beforehand. Is it really good enough?
What was there on first washing ashore may not have been on-board when our glorious officials inspected today.

josip

Markcheese wrote: »

Why would you guard it ,it's no a crime scene .. its a deserted ship ,with no cargo , at the bottom of a cliff ,
Most people wouldnt be daft enough to go aboard ,
And if a couple of idiots do ,then hey ho ...

Maybe some think they could claim salvage rights?

Jonybgud

josip wrote: »

Maybe some think they could claim salvage rights?

Like that idiot that climbed on the wreck off the south coast 25 or so years ago, spent Christmas day on board if memory serves. What an utter clown.

whisky_galore

josip wrote: »

Maybe some think they could claim salvage rights?

It would costlier to cut up and remove than what the thing is worth itself as scrap.

whisky_galore

Say my name wrote: »

Well considering the lax attitude of this country in it taking 3 days since the ship washed ashore and it only being inspected by officials today and members of the public being allowed to board it beforehand. Is it really good enough?
What was there on first washing ashore may not have been on-board when our glorious officials inspected today.

F all. It's been drifting for over a year, probably has been unreported boardings during that time.

It's a modern rusty ship, cleaned out by whoever had it last, what would you expect to still be there? Treasure chests with pieces of eight in them?

CrankyHaus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-vtFZAaTDY

The Royal Scam

Say my name wrote: »

Well considering the lax attitude of this country in it taking 3 days since the ship washed ashore and it only being inspected by officials today and members of the public being allowed to board it beforehand. Is it really good enough?
What was there on first washing ashore may not have been on-board when our glorious officials inspected today.

Yeah sure why not risk the lives of specialists and marine workers during the exceptional storm to check out the boat. I would call that logical not lax.

Del.Monte

In this much vaunted age of technology I fail to understand why during official boardings - US Coastguard and a British Warship - no tracking device/beacon etc. was left on board? Also why was it reported on the rocks by some locals - surely the naval service should have known first.

Say my name

whisky_galore wrote: »

F all. It's been drifting for over a year, probably has been unreported boardings during that time.

It's a modern rusty ship, cleaned out by whoever had it last, what would you expect to still be there? Treasure chests with pieces of eight in them?

I expected a few dead bodies. Similar to other ghost ships/boats with mumified remains. Maybe machine gun shells too from those 'pirates'.
I'm a bit disappointed now to be honest.

Quantum Erasure

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

it's true though, if this can just turn up, imagine what you could get through with some effort or planning.


loads of drugs

It's no secret loads of drugs come into Ireland via the coast.

Snails pace

I actually went to look at the ship yesterday, i wasn't far from ballycotton at the time. The ship is well stuck on the rocks. There was a lot of people walking out to look at it. If you walk from ballycotton it'll take you 2 hours to get to it along the cliff walk

knucklehead6

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

From the Universe is Awesome thread:





Are you and Hector Savage related or the same person???

I really do hope you’re taking the mick here

Oxter

Augeo wrote: »

It's no secret loads of drugs come into Ireland via the coast.

Do the Coastguard know?

Del.Monte

Oxter wrote: »

Do the Coastguard know?

Yeah, I'm sure the Coastguard stop all the drugs into Ireland which is why there's no drugs problem here. :rolleyes:

Oxter

Oxter wrote: »

Do the Coastguard know?

No doubt they do..... They don't know the specifics of each and every (or any I suppose) consignment so it's very difficult to halt really.