Domestic Solar PV Quotes 2020

unkel

daughy wrote: »

I'm going for an Eddie and a zappi

Are you sure about the Eddie? If we get a feed in tariff in the next few years (which is highly likely), the Eddie will have lost you significant money

Bad investment...

daughy

unkel wrote: »

Are you sure about the Eddie? If we get a feed in tariff in the next few years (which is highly likely), the Eddie will have lost you significant money

Bad investment...

Hi unkel, I have seen your posts regarding this subject, it's possible we might get the feed in tariff. I just can't wait for these guys to finally take the finger out and help insentivise others to go green etc and give us something back rather than increase prices while more and more people are stuck at home from covid. I had to switch energy providers yesterday and not a call back from the company I have been with for years to even try to make me stay. What a shower of ****

KCross

daughy wrote: »

...I had to switch energy providers yesterday and not a call back from the company I have been with for years to even try to make me stay. What a shower of ****

You are but a number to the energy providers. They have zero loyalty to their customers and you should repay them in kind by changing EVERY year to get the cheapest deal.

Even if you ring them they will not provide you with their best rates so its pointless even trying.... just switch and get the cheapest on the market every year.

unkel

daughy wrote: »

Hi unkel, I have seen your posts regarding this subject, it's possible we might get the feed in tariff. I just can't wait for these guys to finally take the finger out

Even if we won't get a FIT, an immersion diverter is a poor investment that is doubtful it will ever pay for itself, unless you have a substantial solar PV array (>=4kwp) and / or your current way of heating water is very expensive (i.e. ancient inefficient boiler)

If we get a FIT, even in 5 years time, even paying just 5c / kWh, you will lose money on that €500 Eddie (incl installation cost). Up to you of course what you do with your hard earned, but just so as you know it will cost you money, not save you money.

If you could buy an immersion diverter for €100 second hand and fit it yourself, that's of course a different matter. I'd even consider doing that myself.

slave1

Surely if you are home at you know you are not consuming your harvest you can still old school and go put the immersion on with the flick of a switch or via a timer if the forecast etc. is clear

daughy

unkel wrote: »

Even if we won't get a FIT, an immersion diverter is a poor investment that is doubtful it will ever pay for itself, unless you have a substantial solar PV array (>=4kwp) and / or your current way of heating water is very expensive (i.e. ancient inefficient boiler)

If we get a FIT, even in 5 years time, even paying just 5c / kWh, you will lose money on that €500 Eddie (incl installation cost). Up to you of course what you do with your hard earned, but just so as you know it will cost you money, not save you money.

If you could buy an immersion diverter for €100 second hand and fit it yourself, that's of course a different matter. I'd even consider doing that myself.

That's true unkel, I'll keep an eye out for something. I just liked the one app myenergi for monitoring everything, i have heard myenergi might be coming out with they're own battery, not that I'm interested in batteries at the moment, just interesting to see what they bring to the table.
Plus they're ct Clamp energises the hub without needing to connect to the main breaker.

championc

daughy wrote: »

Plus they're ct Clamp energises the hub without needing to connect to the main breaker.

Not quite correct - a CT Clamp can power a Harvi - which is used to send CT data over radio 868mhz to the Zappi or Eddi (whichever is the Master device. The Hub is connected by Ethernet to your internet link, and the Hub is powered by a regular Plug type PSU.

Eddi's and Batteries only make sense if you have spare cash now which you have no immediate use for, for which you can then use to lower bills into the future - so to semi protect yourself from future increases in the cost of energy

daughy

championc wrote: »

Not quite correct - a CT Clamp can power a Harvi - which is used to send CT data over radio 868mhz to the Zappi or Eddi (whichever is the Master device. The Hub is connected by Ethernet to your internet link, and the Hub is powered by a regular Plug type PSU.

Eddi's and Batteries only make sense if you have spare cash now which you have no immediate use for, for which you can then use to lower bills into the future - so to semi protect yourself from future increases in the cost of energy

Apologies guys, you right championc, the harvi is connected to the ct clamps.
Guys before I return this 5kw solis hybrid can anyone help with this question, I'm getting under grid voltage alot on this inverter, shutting the inverter down, I have the grid standard set at EN50438IE, honestly I really think this is the correct setting for ireland but I could be wrong.
It can be as low as 210 ac volts going to the inverter, max I have seen is 226 volts, nearly all the time it's 219 volts, just doesn't seem right

championc

Have you not got a digital meter to check the voltage at the main board ? It could just be that supply in the area is bad, but that your other devices just do not complain.

If you do get 230 at the board, then turn off the inverter and check it at the point going into the inverter. Then does it change when the inverter is turned on ?

daughy

championc wrote: »

Have you not got a digital meter to check the voltage at the main board ? It could just be that supply in the area is bad, but that your other devices just do not complain.

If you do get 230 at the board, then turn off the inverter and check it at the point going into the inverter. Then does it change when the inverter is turned on ?

True, I will wait for low voltage and check the AC disconnect at the main board, then recheck it at the inverter ac disconnect. I recently checked the AC disconnect at the inverter with a multimeter and it read 217,just as the inverter had said. I should have checked the main board but wasn't thinking. It could possible be a bad ac disconnect that came with the inverter.
Thank you championc, sorry guys for posting here as I know it's really for solar quotes etc..

MAULBROOK

daughy wrote: »

True, I will wait for low voltage and check the AC disconnect at the main board, then recheck it at the inverter ac disconnect. I recently checked the AC disconnect at the inverter with a multimeter and it read 217,just as the inverter had said. I should have checked the main board but wasn't thinking. It could possible be a bad ac disconnect that came with the inverter.
Thank you championc, sorry guys for posting here as I know it's really for solar quotes etc..

Don't worry, lots of knowledgeable people here to help I would say

spose

daughy wrote: »

That's true unkel, I'll keep an eye out for something. I just liked the one app myenergi for monitoring everything, i have heard myenergi might be coming out with they're own battery, not that I'm interested in batteries at the moment, just interesting to see what they bring to the table.
Plus they're ct Clamp energises the hub without needing to connect to the main breaker.

The solar iboost works well and very easy to install at about €250. No online monitoring though but you can read locally what it’s consumed in the last 24hr, 7 days, 28 days and total ever.

garo

spose wrote: »

The solar iboost works well and very easy to install at about €250. No online monitoring though but you can read locally what it’s consumed in the last 24hr, 7 days, 28 days and total ever.

But it won't play nice with his Zappi.

graememk

garo wrote: »

But it won't play nice with his Zappi.

yeah it will just be invisible to it.

Could a ct be put on the immersion feed and configured in the myengery system? ie dont count the useage from the immersion in the "excess calculation"

(easier just to use the eddi)

irishchris

well finally got my system up and installed today. excellent job by mysolar company and reasonably priced at 2,700 after grant. 2.88kw system sw facing and so far on overcast day 4.1 kw in 4 hours

DrPhilG

So we are allowed to name suppliers? Some clarification would be really nice!

DrPhilG

On another note, what's the going rate for a BER cert? I forgot all about it, just contacted 2 people. One quoted €180 including registration fee, the other quoted €280!

MAULBROOK

irishchris wrote: »

well finally got my system up and installed today. excellent job by mysolar company and reasonably priced at 2,700 after grant. 2.88kw system sw facing and so far on overcast day 4.1 kw in 4 hours

Congratulations, you will be glued to the app for a while.
:D:)

irishchris

DrPhilG wrote: »

On another note, what's the going rate for a BER cert? I forgot all about it, just contacted 2 people. One quoted €180 including registration fee, the other quoted €280!

Average in Galway was 300-350! Managed to get one for 250 in end. High prices for what they do really.

irishchris

MAULBROOK wrote: »

Congratulations, you will be glued to the app for a while.
:D:)

You are right about that! found myself refreshing it quicker than the auto refresh at times :-)

MAULBROOK

irishchris wrote: »

You are right about that! found myself refreshing it quicker than the auto refresh at times :-)

Don't worry the novelty will ware off by december 2021.

MAULBROOK

DrPhilG wrote: »

On another note, what's the going rate for a BER cert? I forgot all about it, just contacted 2 people. One quoted €180 including registration fee, the other quoted €280!

Did your installer not include that?

DrPhilG

MAULBROOK wrote: »

Did your installer not include that?

No, I had some include it in the quote and some not. The one I used didn't. I haggled a few other things and got a fantastic price though so €180 on the BER isn't a disaster.

garo

180 is a good price for a solar install BER cert. Make sure they know that you need to get a C rating.

DrPhilG

garo wrote: »

180 is a good price for a solar install BER cert. Make sure they know that you need to get a C rating.

My last BER was a C2, 4 years ago. Since then I've got the solar, and dry lined one end of the house.

unkel

DrPhilG wrote: »

No, I had some include it in the quote and some not. The one I used didn't. I haggled a few other things and got a fantastic price though so €180 on the BER isn't a disaster.

That's the first 4-6 months savings lost though

MAULBROOK

unkel wrote: »

That's the first 4-6 months savings lost though

Your a bold boy..:p:p

mp3guy

unkel wrote: »

That's the first 4-6 months savings lost though

Still 4-6 months less CO2!

worlds goodest teecher

Spoke with a pv rep this evening to get a third quote. I let him know that I has gotten a significantly cheaper price. He had no problem with that.

The advice he gave me was to ask the PV contractor, who was providing the warranty, them or the manufacturer. 10 years from now the contractor might not be trading so if you have problems you will have little fallback.

graememk

worlds goodest teecher wrote: »

Spoke with a pv rep this evening to get a third quote. I let him know that I has gotten a significantly cheaper price. He had no problem with that.

The advice he gave me was to ask the PV contractor, who was providing the warranty, them or the manufacturer. 10 years from now the contractor might not be trading so if you have problems you will have little fallback.

10yrs from now the manufacturer might not be going either!

unkel

worlds goodest teecher wrote: »

Spoke with a pv rep this evening to get a third quote. I let him know that I has gotten a significantly cheaper price. He had no problem with that.

The advice he gave me was to ask the PV contractor, who was providing the warranty, them or the manufacturer. 10 years from now the contractor might not be trading so if you have problems you will have little fallback.

Standard sales man bullying tactic. Do not fall for it.

worlds goodest teecher

unkel wrote: »

Standard sales man bullying tactic. Do not fall for it.

That was after I told him his price was significantly out and that I wouldn't be going with them, he didn't seem to be talking me into it.

unkel

Exactly. The normal sales talk didn't work on you as you are rational and you did your sums. That's when the bullying tactic comes in. To try scare you into accepting his deal. FUD.

tails_naf

Hi All,

Any recommendations on where to put the panels with the following aspect (taken from OSI map):



The house back is SSE to SE, so I was thinking of putting most of them there, with perhaps a few (second MPPT string) on the side that would ~SW facing.

Thanks for any advice!

daughy

tails_naf wrote: »

Hi All,

Any recommendations on where to put the panels with the following aspect (taken from OSI map):



The house back is SSE to SE, so I was thinking of putting most of them there, with perhaps a few (second MPPT string) on the side that would ~SW facing.

Thanks for any advice!

How many panels on a second string do u think you would get on the SW, i think you may have a good view of the sun, what size system would you like?

tails_naf

daughy wrote: »

How many panels on a second string do u think you would get on the SW, i think you may have a good view of the sun, what size system would you like?

I'd probably get 4 or 5 on the SW, and hope to have 17 or 18 320W altogether, so 5 SW and 12 SE. 5.4KW peak. Looking at the solar calculator here: https://re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvg_tools/en/tools.html it seems to suggest there's very little difference ce, so the only advantage may be smoothing out the time of day the panels are generating for, so maybe slightly reducing storage needed.

daughy

tails_naf wrote: »

I'd probably get 4 or 5 on the SW, and hope to have 17 or 18 320W altogether, so 5 SW and 12 SE. 5.4KW peak. Looking at the solar calculator here: https://re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvg_tools/en/tools.html it seems to suggest there's very little difference ce, so the only advantage may be smoothing out the time of day the panels are generating for, so maybe slightly reducing storage needed.

That's a fine system, have you got any quotes or going for a DIY build

garo

tails_naf wrote: »

I'd probably get 4 or 5 on the SW, and hope to have 17 or 18 320W altogether, so 5 SW and 12 SE. 5.4KW peak. Looking at the solar calculator here: https://re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvg_tools/en/tools.html it seems to suggest there's very little difference ce, so the only advantage may be smoothing out the time of day the panels are generating for, so maybe slightly reducing storage needed.

That time of day advantage is huge. I wouldn’t sniff at it. Maximise the number of panels on the SW roof and put the rest SE.

Ballylad

Hi, Any thoughts on following solar pv panels
Longi 350w monocrystalline
Q cells 350w monocrystalline, both black , Longi pv are 25e per panel cheaper, which are best long term, tempted by cheaper ones thnks

Deagol

Got a quote for:

12x 340 watt panels (ground mounted).
4.8kw Battery
3.6 Solis Inverter

Already have diverter.

Fitted price; 11,500euros (inc.VAT).

Look excessive?

DrPhilG

Deagol wrote: »

Look excessive?

Excessive by about €4k.

Unless that's a pre grant price, or a ground mount is massively more expensive than roof mount for some reason.

garo

Deagol wrote: »

Got a quote for:

12x 340 watt panels (ground mounted).
4.8kw Battery
3.6 Solis Inverter

Already have diverter.

Fitted price; 11,500euros (inc.VAT).

Look excessive?

It is excessive. Assume this is before grant? Ak what the price is with a 2.4kWh battery.

garo

Ballylad wrote: »

Hi, Any thoughts on following solar pv panels
Longi 350w monocrystalline
Q cells 350w monocrystalline, both black , Longi pv are 25e per panel cheaper, which are best long term, tempted by cheaper ones thnks

Honest answer is these panels haven't been around long enough for you to know what will be better in the long run. My guess is they'll be fine either way so go for the cheaper ones. Longi are a big enough manufacturer.

homewardbound11

I’m only starting out on this embark but can anyone please PM me suppliers/ installers in the west ( Mayo) . I’ve a large east west roof that can be used . As for options I’m completely bamboozeled with all the terminology . All i know is from unkel is to install as many panels as I can . After that I’ve a lot to learn .

Deagol

DrPhilG wrote: »

Excessive by about €4k.

Unless that's a pre grant price, or a ground mount is massively more expensive than roof mount for some reason.

No grant applicable as I've previously used it for a smaller system without a battery. Can I still get the grant for the battery?

From what I can see ground mount is slightly more expensive but it looks very high to me.

The quote is from the installer recommended by a couple of people on here via PM so I'm at a bit of a loss to understand why it appears so high.

Deagol

garo wrote: »

It is excessive. Assume this is before grant? Ak what the price is with a 2.4kWh battery.

I think I'm going to ask for a breakdown of the pricing to see if I can identify where the excess is appearing. When I look at buying the parts I'm finding the panels cost ~1500eur, 3.6kw Solis with 4.8kwh battery is ~€3300. Ground mounting and other sundries around €1000. So it looks like a very high labour charge - either that or they are paying over the odds for parts?

MAULBROOK

homewardbound11 wrote: »

I’m only starting out on this embark but can anyone please PM me suppliers/ installers in the west ( Mayo) . I’ve a large east west roof that can be used . As for options I’m completely bamboozeled with all the terminology . All i know is from unkel is to install as many panels as I can . After that I’ve a lot to learn .

PM sent

garo

Deagol wrote: »

I think I'm going to ask for a breakdown of the pricing to see if I can identify where the excess is appearing. When I look at buying the parts I'm finding the panels cost ~1500eur, 3.6kw Solis with 4.8kwh battery is ~€3300. Ground mounting and other sundries around €1000. So it looks like a very high labour charge - either that or they are paying over the odds for parts?

Certain others have reported higher quotes from said installer than DrPhilG and rx8 got. But ground mount is also usually more expensive. Maybe installer doesn't have experience of ground mounts?



You can get the 600 Euro grant for the battery if you already claimed for a non-battery system. But in your position I would consider forgoing the battery completely and just getting panels + non-hybrid inverter.

DrPhilG

Deagol wrote: »

The quote is from the installer recommended by a couple of people on here via PM so I'm at a bit of a loss to understand why it appears so high.

The one used by myself and rx8?

Make sure you get a breakdown. I was emailed a full quote with a breakdown. And if the price is sky high then haggle.

Deagol

garo wrote: »

Certain others have reported higher quotes from said installer than DrPhilG and rx8 got. But ground mount is also usually more expensive. Maybe installer doesn't have experience of ground mounts?



You can get the 600 Euro grant for the battery if you already claimed for a non-battery system. But in your position I would consider forgoing the battery completely and just getting panels + non-hybrid inverter.

Talked to them and he's saying ground mount is adding €2k to the quote! For roof mounted would be €9500.

I have some outside driveway lighting at night that makes me think battery would be a good idea. I'm still umming about the size though. Seems that 2.4kw vs 4.8kw makes sense as price differential is small enough. I'm open to arguments on why 2.4 or 4.8 is better though!