Domestic Solar PV Quotes 2020

SouthWesterly

What ever happened to solar quotes and discussion on them?

MAULBROOK

Lads can we stop this pissing competition and get back on track ya know SOLAR QUOTES 2020.

Yes many of the points are valid but its starting to get out of hand.

You can tell me to fxxxoff but we had a good thing going, thats been very beneficial to a lot of people.

DrPhilG

Well said MAULBROOK.

Every other thread in this forum these days is derailed by the same rants.

Tell ya what carry on without me so. Ye wanna make uninformed decisions, acclaim sub-standard work and throw money in a hole because yee wanna believe the hype and claim green credentials be my guest.

SouthWesterly

DrPhilG wrote: »

Well said MAULBROOK.

Every other thread in this forum these days is derailed by the same rants.

Damn. thought there was going to be a post about a quote

unkel

Sir Liamalot wrote: »

Tell ya what carry on without me so.

I hope not, Liam. There are several people in here with strong opinions whose bedside manners leave a lot to be desired - myself included

But hand on heart I can say I value your contributions on this forum and I have personally learnt a good few things from you. And I doubt I'm the only one.

Thanks Unkel.

I do appreciate that for all the loud mouths [myself included] there's 20 listeners who like to see both sides of the story.

I myself am astounded by the power of telling people what the want to hear and them that swallow wholesale everything they want to believe for non-scientific reasons.

Not the first time I've been accused of making my point with a blunt and gnarly axe. From my point of view people are outright lying about their products and system performance, selling mutton dressed as lamb for a premium and it's all gravy because they're ever so nice and mannerly about it. Well-err I've no problem telling them what I think about them to their face and that makes me a [rude word] despite all the data, facts and evidence I bring to the table to refute marketing and pipe dreams.

I'm out, I might come back...it won't be for a while. I'm taking time away from building cost effective hardware that actually works to specification to have an input on the forum. Let's see how the navel gazing goes without meter data to counteract glossy pdfs.

MAULBROOK

DrPhilG wrote: »

Well said MAULBROOK.

Every other thread in this forum these days is derailed by the same rants.

I noticed, its starting to kill the benefits of this helpful thread.

MAULBROOK

SouthWesterly wrote: »

Damn. thought there was going to be a post about a quote

Your setup looks impressive, you must be the first with 400 watt plus panels.
Good catch. If i was doing it all over again I would have got the same panels.

SouthWesterly

MAULBROOK wrote: »

Your setup looks impressive, you must be the first with 400 watt plus panels.
Good catch. If i was doing it all over again I would have got the same panels.

You've quoted the wrong person.

MAULBROOK

SouthWesterly wrote: »

You've quoted the wrong person.

opps

tails_naf

garo wrote: »

To answer this: Yes it stops working and doesn't set fire. There is a CAN bus that reports battery temperature to the inverter constantly and inverter regulates the charge on that basis. The charging is derated to 10A (from 25A) below 15C and to 0A at 0C. It's about as failsafe as you can reasonably expect it to be. If the CAN bus has a fault the inverter won't charge the battery at all.

Damn. My inverter and battery are in the attic also. Is there a way of getting the reported temperature from either the app or the website? The closest thing I found was BMS limited charge and discharge currents, which are reporting 50A still. This is for a solis inverter and pylontech battery.

ParkRunner

Hi guys,
Am new to the PV world and looking at quotes at the moment for my bungalow. I can fit up to 16 panels and got a quote for 12. Would really appreciate your thoughts on it. I have 3 small kids and no EV so standard enough usage I imagine

4.5kWp PV & Sonnen eco 9 5kWh hybrid battery - €9665 after grant + vat.

4.5kWp PV & hot water diverter - €5,334 after grant + vat

rx8

ParkRunner wrote: »

Hi guys,
Am new to the PV world and looking at quotes at the moment for my bungalow. I can fit up to 16 panels and got a quote for 12. Would really appreciate your thoughts on it. I have 3 small kids and no EV so standard enough usage I imagine

4.5kWp PV & Sonnen eco 9 5kWh hybrid battery - €9665 after grant + vat.

4.5kWp PV & hot water diverter - €5,334 after grant + vat

PM Sent.
Fit as many panels as you can would be my advice. Then you will maximise your production.
Prices seem to be way too high there.

championc

ParkRunner wrote: »

Hi guys,
Am new to the PV world and looking at quotes at the moment for my bungalow. I can fit up to 16 panels and got a quote for 12. Would really appreciate your thoughts on it. I have 3 small kids and no EV so standard enough usage I imagine

4.5kWp PV & Sonnen eco 9 5kWh hybrid battery - €9665 after grant + vat.

4.5kWp PV & hot water diverter - €5,334 after grant + vat

Look back a page or two at @slave1 quote !!

ParkRunner

championc wrote: »

Look back a page or two at @slave1 quote !!

Quite a difference there alright, thanks.

trellheim

if you buy in your own panels and are handy with tools can you get the grant

Alkers

trellheim wrote: »

if you buy in your own panels and are handy with tools can you get the grant

No

championc

trellheim wrote: »

if you buy in your own panels and are handy with tools can you get the grant

No, but you won't need the grant since you will complete the whole job well and truely cheaper than the cost of the lowest quotes on here, and consequentally, giving a much quicker payback, and also educating yourself on the full workings of the system.

There is also @SirLiam's point which is that you can possibly choose to install better components for the likes of Isolators, rather than an installer using the cheapest components available.

The only thing you need to do is to file an NC6 with ESB Networks, and a sparks needs to be nominated on the form (but doesn't have to participate in the installation)

trellheim

No, but you won't need the grant since you will complete the whole job well and truely cheaper than the cost of the lowest quotes on here, and consequentally, giving a much quicker payback, and also educating yourself on the full workings of the system.

this is kind of what I was wondering . So what's a good bill of materials quote for a buy-in using current gen stuff ?

Deagol

My quote:

12x Qcells 340w split panels (slate roof mounted)
Solis 5kw Hybrid Inverter
Puredrive 4.8kw Battery


I already have an Eddi with my current 7 panel system.

€7950 gross
€7350 after battery grant

slave1

You’re spending a lot of money on moving from a straight inverter to a hybrid and battery setup, have you done the math on the cost differential payback?

Deagol

slave1 wrote: »

You’re spending a lot of money on moving from a straight inverter to a hybrid and battery setup, have you done the math on the cost differential payback?

Need a new inverter for the extra panels anyway - so my thought process was why not go the extra mile and get the hybrid and battery?

I'd say the next car in ~2 years will be a pure electric so I'm hoping that the setup will make sense then.

If I just upgrade the inverter I'll end up giving ESB a lot of free power

unkel

slave1 wrote: »

You’re spending a lot of money on moving from a straight inverter to a hybrid and battery setup, have you done the math on the cost differential payback?

I've spent considerable amount of time doing all the required calculations for his setup. And I have the answer. It is 46.79 years.

graememk

Deagol wrote: »

My quote:

12x Qcells 340w split panels (slate roof mounted)
Solis 5kw Hybrid Inverter
Puredrive 4.8kw Battery


I already have an Eddi with my current 7 panel system.

€7950 gross
€7350 after battery grant

Are you replacing the existing panels or adding to the system?

Deagol

graememk wrote: »

Are you replacing the existing panels or adding to the system?

Adding to exiting 7 panel (2.1kw) system.

deliege

rx8 wrote: »

PM Sent.
Fit as many panels as you can would be my advice. Then you will maximise your production.
Prices seem to be way too high there.

Would be interested in getting installers references too, if possible ?

Rzeznik

Deagol wrote: »

My quote:

12x Qcells 340w split panels (slate roof mounted)
Solis 5kw Hybrid Inverter
Puredrive 4.8kw Battery


I already have an Eddi with my current 7 panel system.

€7950 gross
€7350 after battery grant

Looking at the prices, panels and inverter are like 3-3,5k. Installation let's assume 1-1,5k.

Can't see any financial justification at this point to install battery for 3-4k extra esp if you do not have EV at this point of time.

In 2 years you might see better panels, cheaper batteries and FIT from goverment, which would make battery useless from financial point of view.
If I were you, I would wait these 2 years, change to EV first, see what FIT (or some other form of compensation) they will intorduce next year and only then recalculate what you should install on the roof.

See unkel post...ROI = 46 years...crazy

championc

Rzeznik wrote: »

Looking at the prices, panels and inverter are like 3-3,5k. Installation let's assume 1-1,5k.

Can't see any financial justification at this point to install battery for 3-4k extra esp if you do not have EV at this point of time.

Eh ? Yes panels and inverter are like 3-3,5k, but it seems that many installers are taking pretty much the same again in the install costs but take away the grant and costs for most then become acceptible. What annoys me is that installers are possibly getting at least 20% discount on the 3-3.5k

rx8

deliege wrote: »

Would be interested in getting installers references too, if possible ?

No problem, Sent now.

I know references are PM only. Agree with that concept.

Where's the best place to see reviews of installations, where I can assume installers can then be named? Is there a thread for that?

Would be a great starting point for first timers.

Rzeznik

championc wrote: »

Eh ? Yes panels and inverter are like 3-3,5k, but it seems that many installers are taking pretty much the same again in the install costs but take away the grant and costs for most then become acceptible. What annoys me is that installers are possibly getting at least 20% discount on the 3-3.5k

If I understood it correctly, in the case I commented, the grant for the system was already used (apart from battery).

With grant they can quote crazy prices I agree but if you used the grant already or you can't use it for whatever reason then they will not have any business with quotes like 3k for a 1-2 days job.
Nobody sane will pay this kind of money, it would make no financial sense then to have any solar on your roof.

From what happened with my installation:
Panels on the roof is an 1-3hr job for a team of 3 (depends on number of panels - I have 8 - 1,5 hr in my case).
Electric side is a 1 day job, maybe 1,5.

championc

My point is that if you look at "retail" prices on midsummer.ie or on solartricity.ie, the installers will be getting wholesale prices in excess of 20% lower. That in itself is a decent margin. But they then whack another 2k or so on top (or 2k + grant).

The grant should realistrcally pay for a free installation, but never will.

Deagol

Rzeznik wrote: »

Looking at the prices, panels and inverter are like 3-3,5k. Installation let's assume 1-1,5k.

Can't see any financial justification at this point to install battery for 3-4k extra esp if you do not have EV at this point of time.

In 2 years you might see better panels, cheaper batteries and FIT from goverment, which would make battery useless from financial point of view.
If I were you, I would wait these 2 years, change to EV first, see what FIT (or some other form of compensation) they will intorduce next year and only then recalculate what you should install on the roof.

See unkel post...ROI = 46 years...crazy

Dunno where you're getting your numbers from but they are way off.

idc

Using midsummer kitbuilder with exact same number and configuration of panels i have, they don't sell the make of panels or inverter battery hybrid i have so I had to substitute those for other brands.

But all in panels / inverter / batteries / hooks/ rails/ isolating switches / cabling came to 6728 euro (including vat)

My installer price after grant was 6800! so from that alone why would i do it myself.

slave1

You will pay full 21% VAT rate on your purchases don't forget, clever Installer will pay service VAT rate of 13.5% on materials which will reduce pass on price to you

noelocon

jod1983 wrote: »

Now this looks alot better:D


12 PANELS 340 WATT 4.2 KW. JA SOLAR 25 YEAR GUARANTEE
4.8 PYLON BATTERY 3.6 SOLIS INVERTER
EDDIE WATER DIVERTER
WIFI DONGLE
ALL WORK CARRIED OUT BY OUR TRAINED ROOFERS /ELECTRICANS APPOX. 2 DAYS
PRICE 9500 EUROS (grant available 3000)


thanks for every ones feedback to me.


Still waiting on a few more

Any chance you'd PM me the details of who you're getting the panels from.

jod1983

noelocon wrote: »

Any chance you'd PM me the details of who you're getting the panels from.

PM sent

slave1

slave1 wrote: »

You will pay full 21% VAT rate on your purchases don't forget, clever Installer will pay service VAT rate of 13.5% on materials which will reduce pass on price to you

What do people expect though? Get panels installed for the same price as a DIY job? Everyone has to eat, so if the grant means you pay a few hundred more like the above quote for a professional install what’s the issue? Everyone knows doing DIY route for anything will
be cheaper as labour is a huge part of any job.

idc

MAXFANTANA wrote: »

What do people expect though? Get panels installed for the same price as a DIY job? Everyone has to eat, so if the grant means you pay a few hundred more like the above quote for a professional install what’s the issue? Everyone knows doing DIY route for anything will
be cheaper as labour is a huge part of any job.

My post is the exact opposite of your point !! I've noticed a lot self installs claiming it is so much cheaper, yet for for someone whos never bought a panel or rail directly to fit myself going to midsummer and getting a similar setup i would in fact have paid the same amount for the products that i got from installer but grant covered all his installation costs. So in my case DIY would be more expensive if you factor in time and effort i would need to do the install and especially as it would be new to me thus take longer than someone who does this for a living.

SouthWesterly

idc wrote: »

My post is the exact opposite of your point !! I've noticed a lot self installs claiming it is so much cheaper, yet for for someone whos never bought a panel or rail directly to fit myself going to midsummer and getting a similar setup i would in fact have paid the same amount for the products that i got from installer but grant covered all his installation costs. So in my case DIY would be more expensive if you factor in time and effort i would need to do the install and especially as it would be new to me thus take longer than someone who does this for a living.

I checked out the SAAS offer against. buying the kit. There was a couple of hundred in it plus grant and they do Al the work and cover it in the event something goes wrong

idc

SouthWesterly wrote: »

I checked out the SAAS offer against. buying the kit. There was a couple of hundred in it plus grant and they do Al the work and cover it in the event something goes wrong

I only saw that company after my install. For the panel/inverter only option is a great deal but if you add batteries/eddi etc then it actually worked out around the same price as system I got.

unkel

idc wrote: »

My post is the exact opposite of your point !! I've noticed a lot self installs claiming it is so much cheaper, yet for for someone whos never bought a panel or rail directly to fit myself going to midsummer and getting a similar setup i would in fact have paid the same amount for the products that i got from installer but grant covered all his installation costs. So in my case DIY would be more expensive

Yep I've been saying that for years on this forum but a lot of people seem to not believe me.

Pretty much the whole subsidy goes to the installer, to cover their labour and their profits. That's what generally happens with subsidies. A feed in tariff would have been a much more efficient spending of tax payers money, leading to much more PV wattage on people's roofs per Euro of subsdiy

DIY can of course be much cheaper, but only if you manage to buy the parts way cheaper than retail prices (I did)

SouthWesterly

idc wrote: »

I only saw that company after my install. For the panel/inverter only option is a great deal but if you add batteries/eddi etc then it actually worked out around the same price as system I got.

They are at pains to tell people not to get the extra kit as it just isnt cost effective.

idc

SouthWesterly wrote: »

They are at pains to tell people not to get the extra kit as it just isnt cost effective.

If i was doing it again i'd probably not get the eddi. But yes to batteries. I know there is a lot of debate around pros/cons of getting battery or not but I'd still prefer to have mine. obviously time will tell as to how long they last or are worth it.

idc

idc wrote: »

My post is the exact opposite of your point !! I've noticed a lot self installs claiming it is so much cheaper, yet for for someone whos never bought a panel or rail directly to fit myself going to midsummer and getting a similar setup i would in fact have paid the same amount for the products that i got from installer but grant covered all his installation costs. So in my case DIY would be more expensive if you factor in time and effort i would need to do the install and especially as it would be new to me thus take longer than someone who does this for a living.

Talk about getting it arse ways! Agree with you completely.

alesironi

Hi everyone

trying to figure out a right quotation/setup for my house, 3 bedroom + attic conversion semidetached, oil heating, 2 adults 1 baby currently living, south east roof facing, we will work from home most of the time anyway with 2-3 PCs turned on at the same time.

I've been recommended the following
6 x 340w monocrystalline JA Solar Panels with a 25 Year Performance Warranty.
1 x Solis inverter,
1 x Solar Iboost (Hot Water)

Cost of the system will be €3,790 (including VAT and 1800 Euro Grant)

some questions
- is it a good quotation?
- is it useful a battery in my case (even a small one) or makes sense to invest the the Solar iBoost (hot water)?


thanks
ale

Alkers

alesironi wrote: »

Hi everyone

trying to figure out a right quotation/setup for my house, 3 bedroom + attic conversion semidetached, oil heating, 2 adults 1 baby currently living, south east roof facing, we will work from home most of the time anyway with 2-3 PCs turned on at the same time.

I've been recommended the following
6 x 340w monocrystalline JA Solar Panels with a 25 Year Performance Warranty.
1 x Solis inverter,
1 x Solar Iboost (Hot Water)

Cost of the system will be €3,790 (including VAT and 1800 Euro Grant)

some questions
- is it a good quotation?
- is it useful a battery in my case (even a small one) or makes sense to invest the the Solar iBoost (hot water)?


thanks
ale

You can get a slightly bigger array than that installed for 2,400e repaid over ten years. With such a small array there is no point in a battery or a diverter

unkel

alesironi wrote: »

some questions
- is it a good quotation?
- is it useful a battery in my case (even a small one) or makes sense to invest the the Solar iBoost (hot water)?

No, no and don't get an iBoost either. None of that will ever pay for itself. Have a look at some of the other quotes in this thread that are much better than the one you got.

alesironi

Alkers wrote: »

You can get a slightly bigger array than that installed for 2,400e repaid over ten years. With such a small array there is no point in a battery or a diverter

Sent PM, would appreciate if you share details.

thanks
ale