Greatest League in the World 2024 [new thread available]

GLaDOS

I much preferred the simpler plan (Keep the pitch the way it is, refurbish the Jodi, knock and rebuild the other 3 stands) for the fact that it seemed far more likely to actually happen. This plan sounds great, but I'm way less optimistic it will happen (And certainly not for 40m).

I told ya

I would argue that the redevelopment should meet UEFA standards. Otherwise, not much use to Bohs if they have a good Euro run and there maybe difficulty in using it for under age international games and the likes.

I would argue that the additional cost would not be material in the overall cost.

Would certainly be very surprised if it all went to plan time wise.

However, best of luck to all involved.

GLaDOS

UEFA standards includes things like having a certain amount VIP parking etc. Not possible on the land available.

tastyt

I know we all want to be positive and hope things push on but no way do I see this happening for 40 million in that time frame .

Just as a matter of interest and I’m not saying bohs should do this because Dalymount has great history and still imo the best atmosphere on a big night under lights , but how much would it cost in comparison for a green field site say out swords direction and a new stadium from scratch ?

artanevilla

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119833092#Comment_119833092

This is a non runner for I would say the majority of members including myself. Dalymount is Bohs and Bohs in Dalymount. We already nearly ended up in a field in the middle of nowhere we don't want it to happen again. Look at the likes of Longford, there's zero around. Even with Tallaght, while Rover's have really connected with the community out there, around the ground there's not much, you can only get a drink in a hotel bar if you wanted to meet your friends early or hang around after.

Dalymount is a 15 minute walk to the city centre and you have numerous great pubs in the area for before and after games. Bohs in now ingrained in that community and to move outside it to try to tap into this mythical suburban thousands that would suddenly start wanting to attend football games and alienate the well established Phibsborough, Cabra, Ballymun core fanbase would be the death of the club.

topmanamillion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119832348#Comment_119832348

You can't build a stadium on the possibility it might be needed for a game every couple of years! An 8,000 capacity will be grand for Bohs 99% of the time. Also, Vilnius played Conference League group games in a 5000 seater this year.

tastyt

No I agree with that 100% and the location is what I believe makes bohs the most scaleable club in the country to be honest , along with Cork

But just cost wise , do you know what it would cost in comparison to the 40 million to build from scratch , even for Pats , Shelbourne etc ?

Patrick2010

Define scalable

ben.schlomo

First Division playoff has been halted in Limerick due to the away stand and structural issues. Too many Waterford fans in it by the looks of it. Game is 10 minutes delayed so far. Waterford 1 up too, awful goalkeeping error letting in a Junior long range shot.

PGE1970

Surely Tallaght or Inchicore was a better bet for the game?

Christy Browne

Sections of that stand were cordoned off last week when Waterford were away at Treaty as the steps had collapsed. An absolutely disgraceful decision to hold it there and someone could have been seriously injured.

PGE1970

Galway the better side but 2-0 down at ht due to two defensive howlers.

Hammer Archer

Any chance of another midweek managerial sacking?

hardybuck

While the stand in Limerick wasn't safe tonight, fair play to whoever looks after the pitch there - in fantastic condition after all that rain.

Galway have a couple of quality players, and you'd expect them to be pushing hard for promotion again next year with the money they have behind them.

Hopefully the fixture against UCD won't be in another 'neutral' Dublin venue again this year.

Oat23

Will Caulfield get another crack at it next season? I think I've watched Galway 3 times this season and I didn't enjoy it any of those times. Just typical Caulfield football which fans will only accept when you're winning, which they aren't doing. They've been crap the past few months only winning 2 matches since July.

ben.schlomo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119835252#Comment_119835252

Lots of us don't want him back. The fans turned on him after the 3rd goal tonight. As you said we've been an awful watch all season bar a cupla games of cupla 45 minutes. And we've been in terrible form for months.

Ironically we weren't actually bad tonight, two shocking defensive mistakes, a missed pen, woodwork and one cleared off the line. We didn't deserve to go up though and Waterford deserve their crack at it given how they've finished the season.

PGE1970

As a neutral, I enjoyed the game. It certainly had plenty of incident!

I actually thought Galway were a slightly better side save their awful defending.

Both sides were very open. I fancy UCD to do a number on Waterford, they are on a good run and will be underdogs.

I felt sorry for Galway, it just wasn't going to be their night.

ben.schlomo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119835300#Comment_119835300

Ya you had the feeling it wasn't our night as soon as the first went in via a mistake. It's just peak GUFC really. We deal with year in year out. If JC stays in the job the crowds will drop next season. Our average for the season was 2999.

kksaints

It was an entertaining match alright but Galway didn't take any of their chances while Waterford benefited from bad errors for their first two goals and were clinical on the counter attack with their third. Interesting final in Richmond next Friday. Waterford gave up plenty of chances from set pieces tonight but UCD aren't usually a side who threaten from corners. You'd feel that Patterson and Junior might be too much for the UCD backline to deal with but Waterford's backline has been shaky enough in matches and UCD do have Lonergan who has improved a fair bit towards the backend of the season. Could be lots of goals next Friday.

Thankfully that stand didn't fall apart when there was people in it. I wonder why the LEDP have let that stand get into such a dreadful state and questions too as to why the FAI didn't check the condition of the stands before scheduling the match there.

Hammer Archer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119835187#Comment_119835187

Richmond Park next Friday at 745.

Jarhead_Tendler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119835309#Comment_119835309

That is a really good average.

hardybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119835471#Comment_119835471

They should really toss for home advantage.

hardybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119835309#Comment_119835309

Was there a big pickup mid-season? The Extratime website had the 2022 average at 1,915 at end April, slightly above Waterford at 1,900.

DrumSteve

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119832210#Comment_119832210

Full agree, and it would have seemed more likely to happen.

Seems like we're back to square one with this.

On the plus side, Talbot has re-signed.

ben.schlomo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119835542#Comment_119835542

Haha I gave us a very generous typo attendance there. 1999 average for the season, over 4k for the Cork game in July, over 3k for yourselves on the opening day, over 3k for Cork and Longford in Sept and Oct then. The 1k v Longford in the last home game brought it down below the 2k, there was nothing to play for and people had suffered the woeful results against Athlone and Cobh prior to it.

I told ya

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119833330#Comment_119833330

Maybe I didn't phrase it properly. IMO it should be a stadium that would meet group stage standard, like Tallaght. Whatever the minimum is with the provision to upgrade as needed. Do it once, do it right.

topmanamillion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836222#Comment_119836222

I'd agree with the sentiment but some of the UEFA standards simply aren't achieve -able/cost effective on an inner city site like Dalymount.

A 4-6000 all seater modern ground with some terracing is ideal for all LOI sides. If the league had 10 of those, it'd be an infinitely better league than what we have now.

Talk of Dalymount being redeveloped/sold/new stadium built else where has been going on for at least 20 years now. A bit like Harps' stadium it's time to just build it and stop releasing aspirational plans.

kksaints

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119836615#Comment_119836615

I'd agree tbh with regards the UEFA standards. Even far bigger football nations such as Austria have had clubs move their home matches in the group stages. Ideally you'd want around 6 category 4 standard grounds around in Ireland strategically placed to cover as many clubs as possible. So say Tallaght, Turners Cross, Brandywell, Sligo Showgrounds, Athlone and Waterford as category 4. I'm assuming that Thomond Park is category 4 so that'd cover Limerick and Galway also.

chopperbyrne

Crybaby article from Eddie Mahon in the Derry Journal.

https://www.derryjournal.com/sport/football/shamrock-rovers-made-it-three-in-a-row-but-did-they-have-an-advantage-3904856

He thinks Rovers have an unfair advantage because other clubs outside of Dublin were in the first division and the FAI should do something about it.

Dunmoreroader

Interesting article, I'd agree with some of it but lots of Dublin clubs gone bust too.

NIMAN

Ad a Derry fan, I found the article laughable. Eddie seems to be going daft in his old age.

He says Rovers having to stay in and around Dublin and play a lot of their matches there is a bonus for them as they'll have less travel and hotel costs. He neglects to say that many of those matches are extremely competitive and tough for Rovers due to them being derby games. Games against Bohs, Shels, St Pats are never easy for Rovers.

CrabRevolution

Calling Dundalk a home game for Rovers while still counting Harps as an away game for Derry is a bit of a stretch too...

chopperbyrne

Chartering flights for European matches isn't cheap either.

PGE1970

Eddie Mahon neglects the advantage that Derry have by their owber being a multi multi millionaire.

As a supporter of a team (Drogheda) whose budget is roughly 10% of Derry's, does Eddie propose that we allow a handicap for that?

dfx-

First thing is Derry need to improve against Rovers. Last week was a comfortable enough win in the circumstances.

Derry playing McEleney Duffy Kavanagh Diallo et al, they created surprisingly little in the games between them. Maher wasn't great, twice palming out crucial goals and one win in four league games (and ET against ten men in the Cup) from a very very late backpass and penalty.

In the run in, considering the firepower available and a 7-0 UCD win boost, the Goal Difference and 1-0 wins catch up on you. Also given their record in Dublin, they should want to be playing there every week...

CrabRevolution

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119837506#Comment_119837506

He seems to think all clubs have an equal income and that travel costs are the only factor in determining success or failure, nothing else. Cork can get 5000 fans at home games and win leagues and cups when times are good, but seemingly travel costs will inevitably drive them to bankruptcy....

artanevilla

If only there was a league closer to Derry they could join.

chopperbyrne

You'd think RTÉ would show the Derry vs Dundalk match today, but no, last day of the league season and they don't give a ****.

Did you smash it

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119840556#Comment_119840556

How would they market it? There’s literally nothing at stake. I like LOI but I won’t be watching any matches today I think

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119837326#Comment_119837326

Exactly, the article was amusing because the fella writing it is clearly arguing with political undertones, rather than sporting ones.

overshoot

Rare to agree with a derry man but I whole heartedly agree with this new Outlook on how national leagues work. Given Longford will be our Derby game next year, they should just give harps the first division trophy now and save everyone the money. Diverting all of next years budget to the stadium fund should get it built at last too. Its win win

howiya

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119840556#Comment_119840556

To be fair to RTE they've already shown a game today and this round of games was meant to take place on Friday.

If you really want to see the Derry game at least there's LOITV

Jarhead_Tendler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119841838#Comment_119841838

Just like Corks advantage is playing under a new name every 3 years

joeysoap

That’s it for another year. 3rd (only missed 2nd on goal difference). Would have jumped at that at the start of the season.

‘Rested’ a lot of regulars tonight but it was great to see Hoban return- first time since August.

Shells playing it smart tonight.

steinbock123

Was that officially Gartlans last game for de Town ??

NIMAN

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119841838#Comment_119841838

Believe me, its no advantage.

We play worse on it. Our away games show us how we can play (except Dundalk of course).

It's common knowledge around the town that most of the players don't like it.

NIMAN

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119840556#Comment_119840556

Lucky they didn't, it was muck.

joeysoap

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119843979#Comment_119843979

Derry only took 2 points against Dundalk - both in Oriel.

id say that was Garts last game. And mcmillans. And Cherrie. Maybe Boyle’s too .who knows?

trashcan

Nice comfy win for Pats. If only Eoin Doyle had been able to finish like that when it really counted. Great to see Ian Birmingham get a second half run out for his final game. Feel he’s been hard done by this season, but it’s done now. He got a great reception, and I’m delighted he’s staying involved with the club.

On a side note, over 4,600 for a game with nothing riding on it for either team. I reckon pre pandemic you’d have been looking at circa 1,500 for such a game. Great to see, and long may it continue.

Mars Bar

I run a football league in Abu Dhabi and some random Bob Marley look-a-like had the Bohs jersey on when watching his son play

He hadn't a clue about the club 😂 But it gave the Rovers fan sitting down watching his grandkids a chance to throw out some light hearted abuse

Thanks to Bohs for a random conversation starter