Greatest League in the World 2024 [new thread available]

Pawwed Rig

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119435#Comment_122119435

So what.

Should we assume that everything is done correctly over there and follow blindly?

Irish hatred has been ignored in Enhland for years as was racial hatred 20+ years ago. My sense is that England will eventually come unto line on these matters but still have a way to go.

HalloweenJack

I reckon its specifying the Irishness that got him in trouble. He could've just called him a ****. Why the need to call him an Irish ****?

Arnautovic got a ban in the last Euros for telling a Macedonian player he shagged his Albanian mother. Again, what's the need for bringing ethnicity into it? Saying you shagged someone's ma is enough of an insult.

There's obviously some underlying desire to make the insult worse by adding the national identity of the recipient. If not, what need is there?

Xander10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119588#Comment_122119588

So what, you ask.

To go back to the start, a seprate thread was started as a discussion. It was shut down as not being worthy of a discussion of its own.

That's fine. A Mod makes a call and every other Mod backs that call, its the norm.

To me, it was a bit unique. Here was an Englishman saying something he would say in the UK, possibly ever other day, but not being aware it would be deemed particularly offensive in the context here. Maybe he watched too many Guy Richie movies😃

How you decide the appropriate level of punishment for xenophobia and racism, just might have held up as a discussion. But in reality probably would have quickly fall foul of the Soccer Forums straight jacket on speech.

HalloweenJack

Jesus, what are the words that are considered more offensive?

PGE1970

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119300#Comment_122119300

I think that your analysis is excellent. In the late 80s/early 90s, I was refused entry into pubs/clubs in the UK because I was Irish.

If I did get in, you'd always get called Paddy by someone. As the night went on, the IRA references would come out.

I remember a landlord in Yorkshire trying to do me a favour by saying that I should try another pub as a few regulars were squaddies and wouldn't appreciate my presence. I thanked him and left!!

Unacceptable, but it was what it was and you just got on with it.

I'm not trying to justify Shelvey's comment but I don't rank it alongside a comment about race, religion or sexual orientation.

I still think that the ban is harsh.

pgj2015

Very harsh over the top ban. But the world is full of snowflakes now.

Remember a footballer said something to Paul mcshane during a game? Something to do with him and a caravan? That was far worse and it was said to him because he was Irish. Anyone remember what the punishment was?

Mushy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122121193#Comment_122121193

An 8 match ban, which is impressive as it came from the FA.

The Golden Miller

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119107#Comment_122119107

I don't agree. Xenophobia isn't really personal in the same way, and is based more on the arbitary accident of birth. But abusing someone because you have an inherret probabem with the colour of their skin is far worse imo, something they can't actually change, and will be made feel self conscious for possibly the rest of their life.

Like lets be real. If you get called an Irish c**t do you feel personally aggrieved. Yet two coloured kids walking home from school get called black this or that, is far worse imo

artanevilla

So your logic is because there is a worse thing that it's acceptable?

And yes I would be absolutely aggrieved if I went to work and someone called me an Irish cùnt. I have been racial abused in work for being Irish (an arbitrary accident of birth, which skin colour is not?), it was incredibly unpleasant.

The Golden Miller

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122121434#Comment_122121434

Murdering someone isn't acceptable, then again neither is stealing a mars bar. I would place being discriminated based on the colour of one's skin as far more serious, than from the country of where one is derived

When I say arbitrary, maybe trivial is a better word. You could live in Ireland til 7, move to England and no one would be none the wiser. That's the "difference" we're talking about as regards abuse here. It's throwaway comment stuff.

CSF

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122121494#Comment_122121494

I mean this is just a case of pick your perspective though, isn’t it?

Did you smash it

how bad is gaffneys injury?

PGE1970

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122121627#Comment_122121627

Devastating if he's an Irish c n t.

Not so bad if he's just a ginger one ;)

NIMAN

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122121342#Comment_122121342

It all depends on how offended you are.

Nowadays everything is seen as ott. It wouldn't offend me. I'd just think he was an ignorant gulpin. But it's not like I'd feel any pain or anything. Sticks and stones and all that.

He's English and white. Harvey is Irish and white. I don't think it's a racist slur. But others define it as such

PGE1970

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122121954#Comment_122121954

What this fella says.

ShamoBuc

City flying in Cobh.

Did you smash it

1 win in 8 for the table toppers. I honestly wonder if that has ever happened before in any European league

fatbhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122121998#Comment_122121998

Hopefully it's Johnny Kenny. I'll drive him over to Inchicore myself FFS.

deisedude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122121998#Comment_122121998

What have you heard?

Did you smash it

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122122189#Comment_122122189

snyed of the 42.ie parish says it’s at an advanced negotiating stage

PGE1970

Well deserved point for Drogheda.

Aa expected, Shels had most of the ball but a draw was definitely a fair result.

The gap between top and bottom is the narrowest in years this season.

CSF

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122122277#Comment_122122277

Games like tonight are why we won’t be in a title race. Drogheda made themselves hard to beat and we never looked massively like getting it.

In other events, Duffer had things right in the first instance and it’s baffling that Farrell started tonight. Whipped at HT and it can’t happen again.

ben.schlomo

Honours even in Terryland, poor game overall. We had enough chances to win it, two chances for Walshy, one gilt edged. One good save from McGinty late on, Nugent headed onto the bar, Hickey wasted a great headed chance first half as did Brouder. I'll take a point but feel we threw two away there tonight. Sligos best chance was for our former player Waweru in stoppage time but he fluffed his lines.

chopperbyrne

Pohls is a liability.

PGE1970

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122122307#Comment_122122307

All your danger was through Boyd who is a very good player.

We badly missed Gary Deegan in mf but Darragh Markey had a great game.

It's been a good week for Drogheda.

CSF

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122122383#Comment_122122383

I thought Jarvis was our best player by a mile. Everything good we did (there wasn’t that much) went through him.

If Pats get Kenny, I’d be worried about top 3 for us.

Oat23

Shocked at the Kenny to Pats story. Really didn't think he'd come back to the league so quick (if it happens).

The Golden Miller

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122121954#Comment_122121954

Well that's it in a nutshell. If the only thing that seperates you is an arbitary loyality to one nation or another, or the politics you support, there's no personal slight or put down that can be achieved in any meaningful way. Take away those personal loyalty's one might have, and they're pretty much the same people.

But going after someone's skin colour for example, where they are a minority, mean you have a inherrent issue with that group on a personal level, something that they have no power to change, and it's something they have to carry every day.

There is no comparison. Calling someone an Irish c**t is wrong of course, but under the context in the heat of the moment, I think 10 games is harsh. The English call us that, we call them that, its water off a ducks back stuff. It's wrong, but not that same as racism and not as severe

The Golden Miller

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122122307#Comment_122122307

I dunno, I think the fact we drew and are still top shows we'll be hard to move from there. Everytime someone reckons we're done, we keep managing to stay top. I think it could go on like that all season tbh.

We have a good defence and unlucky to go behind in a few of our last matches. That's the problem, we can't chase a game. We need to score first, and when we do generally win

PGE1970

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122122411#Comment_122122411

I doubt that he has had many options outside the league.

I'm not surprised. But for John Delaney, he'd still be a LoI manager.

CSF

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122122437#Comment_122122437

Not having it. Constantly failing to win games that we don’t even deserve to win will eventually catch up to us. Teams have figured out how to play against us, and Duffer is gonna have to shake up the blueprint up to evolve the team. No better man to do it, but it’s not always a quick process to do that.

Shels are now 1 win in 9 and I am struggling to tell you which of the 8 we were really hard done by to not win.

PGE1970

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122122395#Comment_122122395

Each to their own but Jarvis had a good ft but withered in the second 45.

Gannon was more of an attacking risk in the second half.

PGE1970

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122122454#Comment_122122454

You weren't unlucky to go behind tonight.

Pierrot scored a very good goal.

CSF

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122122480#Comment_122122480

Think you’ve developed a complex after the other lads posts about him. He was comfortably MOTM.

The Golden Miller

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122122454#Comment_122122454

We had chances to go ahead against Galway, Bohs, Rovers etc. It's a fine line, had we got our noses in front there, we'd have won them all. It looks bad when we concede first and the other teams shut up shop, it exposes our lack of potency.

But we get the first goal in some upcoming games and its a completey different story imo. We're the hardest team to play when we go ahead. School boy error goals, where we've gone behind, has been constantly shooting us in the foot recently.

Duff is the best manager to get a reaction from a team. I reckon in ten games, we'll still have our noses in front, and everyone will still be questioning how

CSF

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122122489#Comment_122122489

Not sure which of my posts was suggesting to you that I think we deserved to win tonihht

CSF

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122122496#Comment_122122496

We will continue to be difficult to beat like you said. But being difficult to beat alone won’t put you in a title race.

ratracer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122122335#Comment_122122335

Yep, another game with a lot of huff and puff but no end product. McCarthy and Dervan didn’t do a lot today, though that’s probably credit to the Sligo defence, and similarly Hickey wins a lot of high ball but is poor with it at his feet. Nugent and Gaxha impressed when they came on.

Defensively we’re well organised, but really need a goal poacher from somewhere! Definitely feels like two points lost though.

ben.schlomo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122122521#Comment_122122521

Dervan was poor in general. Ed was played far too far in field, think it was to pick up second balls from Hickey or Walshy but that just didn't work and everything was too central as a result. We wasted multiple crossing attempts and were very poor on set pieces again too.

NIMAN

Another lukewarm display from us tonight, but we'll take the 3pts, as other results went our way. For me, shows the league has dropped off in standard from previous years.

Having said that, Bohs should have been leading at half time.

How Akintunde missed the open net, I'll never know.

trashcan

Thought it was a cracking game in Tallaght, and a much improved performance from Pats. Thought we deserved a point, and a what a lovely finish from Mason Melia to get it. Rovers probably had the better chances, and we could have been three down before we equalised, but still think our overall performance deserved the point.

PGE1970

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122122498#Comment_122122498

Sorry mate, that was Golden Millers post that I was supposed to quote regarding being unlucky to go behind.

Mea culpa, apology offered.

dk1982

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122122437#Comment_122122437

One win in 8. You're absolute poxed rovers and derry have been so poor. Once one of those goes on a run (presumably rovers) you'll fall away. Waterford even only 6 points behind with a game in hand...after all the smoke that's been blown up Duffs hoop

CSF

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122122662#Comment_122122662

Duff getting attacked for only being top of the league is one of the more deranged things I’ve seen on the internet of late.

kksaints

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122122590#Comment_122122590

Would sum up how I saw it also. We played well, Rovers had the more clear cut chances, didn't take them so a draw is deserved. Rogers made some super saves and has been solid since he came in. Melia was excellent considering the Rovers defence just scythed him down every time he got the ball. It's been a long time since I've seen Lopes struggle like that against LOI opposition and he could have been sent off in the 2nd half for a trip on Keating. Ref was incredibly inconsistent, he strongly enforced throw-in positioning but missed multiple trips, pushes and Cleary absolutely clattering Melia late with a mistimed sliding tackle. Good point for us and the Kenny talks are very intriguing so possibly a very good day for us.

dk1982

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122122691#Comment_122122691

Not attacking him. Saying he's been made out like he's the second coming of Pep. That's not his fault mind, he's don't a very good job but not quite merited the praise he's been getting. Shels only top due to alot of luck

CSF

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122122723#Comment_122122723

He is top of the league with the 5th highest budget in the league. Has taken a promoted team to Europe and now top of the league. We’re not gonna win the league, but I think he deserves his flowers.

I don’t know what luck you’re referring to. I think the point that you think you have probably seems better in your head, than it actually is in reality.

dk1982

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122122752#Comment_122122752

Yeah and I'm saying he's top by pure luck in that the other top teams have been awful. 1 win in 9 is a terrible run. Anyway you're visibly upset so I'll say no more about Duffer. He's obviously in my head

Oat23

Yellow card for diving was handed out here 😂

Mushy

THey don't help themselves do they