Shooting in Germany

antix80

antix80 wrote: »

You're basically talking about 1 attack a year in a country that size.. Youre more likely to be killed by a shark.

38 attacks in 17 years (or 58 in 25 years) = 1 attack per year? I've a copy of "Text and Tests 3" you can borrow to brush up on your maths, if you'd like. Your comment about sharks is complete rubbish as well. There have been fewer than 175 fatal shark attacks recorded since the 18th Cenrtury. So, less than half the fatalities in ten times the time-span.

osarusan

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Feeling a bit sheepish bow I would say.

Involuntary detumescence as we speak.

Burty330

Burty330 wrote: »

Then you purposefully posted misinformation.

I didn't compile the list........Here's what I said, with the relevant part highlighted for you:

but here's a list of USA attacks up to the time this comment was posted on Reddit early last year.

Please elaborate on how that is purposeful misinformation.

SnakePlissken

Deleted User wrote: »

Posted this elsewhere recently, but here's a list of USA attacks up to the time this comment was posted on Reddit early last year.
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You're citing Reddit as a credible source?

If I had the time or inclination I could go through this list in better detail, but considering the very first attack listed was shown to have no political motivations whatsoever I question the bias of whoever compiled such a willfully inaccurate list.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoneman_Douglas_High_School_shooting

Burty330

Deleted User wrote: »

I didn't compile the list........Here's what I said, with the relevant part highlighted for you:



Please elaborate on how that is purposeful misinformation.

Even if it wasn't brought up to date , the finding was concluded with a statement of falsity.

Billy Mays

Burty330 wrote: »

He actually was politically motivated. He was a far leftist , anti police and pro Antifa.

Nope

Police have said the shooting wasn't politically motivated.

alastair

Burty330 wrote: »

He actually was politically motivated. He was a far leftist , anti police and pro Antifa.

Not according to the police. He had a history of misogyny and mental illness. Unrelated to his politics.

nthclare

alastair wrote: »

Not according to the police. He had a history of misogyny and mental illness. Unrelated to his politics.

He's a quintessential Incel id say

The left has a lot of creeps and cucks in its antifa ranks.

No right thinking person would carry out this act of madness and depravity.

Burty330

Billy Mays wrote: »

Nope

Police have said the shooting wasn't politically motivated.

Police say Islamic terror has noting to do with Islam.. He was left winger.

Accept it.

SnakePlissken

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Was expecting the usual suspects on the 1st page or 2 to pop in with their usual comments when a tragedy like this occurs.

They didn't disappoint as usual.


Feeling a bit sheepish bow I would say.

In the opening two pages I see only two posters who intimated that this was an Islamic inspired attack, an assumption though since proven false isn't exactly outlandish, but I see you've wasted no time in trotting out your "usual suspects" line. You must be so pleased that this discussion of such a meaningless loss of life has not disappointed you.

alastair

SnakePlissken wrote: »

You're citing Reddit as a credible source?

If I had the time or inclination I could go through this list in better detail, but considering the very first attack listed was shown to have no political motivations whatsoever I question the bias of whoever compiled such a willfully inaccurate list.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoneman_Douglas_High_School_shooting

Items recovered by police at the scene included gun magazines with swastikas carved in them. One student reported that Cruz had drawn a swastika and the words "I hate ****" on his backpack.[99] CNN reported that Cruz was in a private Instagram group chat where he expressed racist, homophobic, antisemitic, and anti-immigrant (xenophobic) views. He said he wanted to kill gay people and Mexicans, and talked about keeping black people in chains. He said he hated black people "simply because they were black," and Jewish people because he believed "they wanted to destroy the world." He also referred to white women who engaged in interracial relationships as traitors.[100]

Seems kinda right-wingey motivations in the mix to me?

Burty330

Though he had also tweeted (or retweeted) favorably about Bernie Sanders and progressive causes in general, Betts explicitly lent support to 2020 presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren on at least one occasion. In response to a tweet suggesting Warren and fellow Democratic presidential hopeful Kamala Harris could be “co-presidents,” Betts tweeted that he would “happily vote for” Warren (but not Harris):



Police have stated that they are “not close at all” to figuring out a motive for the shooting. The specific claim that Betts described himself on social media as a leftist, as pro-Satan, and as an Elizabeth Warren supporter, however, is true.

alastair

Burty330 wrote: »

Police say Islamic terror has noting to do with Islam.. He was left winger.

Accept it.

He was a Bernie supporter who had mental issues and was bullied by his peers. Not a shred of evidence his killings were in any way political. And the police are very clear when terrorism is Islamist. You need to accept those facts.

Billy Mays

Burty330 wrote: »

Police say Islamic terror has noting to do with Islam.. He was left winger.

Accept it.

Can you point out where I didn't say he was a left winger?

Police carried out an investigation and concluded the shooting wasn't motivated by his political beliefs. Obviously Burty330 from the internet knows better.

Also 6 of the 9 victims were black. People with far left beliefs aren't exactly well known for their hatred of minorities are they?

volchitsa

Burty330 wrote: »

He actually was politically motivated. He was a far leftist , anti police and pro Antifa.

Source for this?

BBC says right wing extremist.

(He also killed his mother apparently - what is it with right wingers and their mothers? Perhaps Incel is the link?)

alastair

volchitsa wrote: »

Source for this?

BBC says right wing extremist.

(He also killed his mother apparently - what is it with right wingers and their mothers? Perhaps Incel is the link?)

He was talking about the Dayton shooter - who wasn’t a political killer in any case.

osarusan

volchitsa wrote: »

Source for this?

BBC says right wing extremist.

(He also killed his mother apparently - what is it with right wingers and their mothers? Perhaps Incel is the link?)

No, you are too late, they are talking about a different shooter.


Seeing as this shooter turned out to be a far-right loon, the thread has been successfully derailed towards other shootings where the ideology of the shooter is more useful.

Auguste Comte

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

I am full of hate.

No sh1t. Does all your hate make you happy?

Timberrrrrrrr

SnakePlissken wrote: »

In the opening two pages I see only two posters who intimated that this was an Islamic inspired attack, an assumption though since proven false isn't exactly outlandish, but I see you've wasted no time in trotting out your "usual suspects" line. You must be so pleased that this discussion of such a meaningless loss of life has not disappointed you.

Depends on how many posts you have per page snakey me and chum;)

tjhook

I wish we didn't lump multiple economic and social concepts under the simplistic terms "left" and "right". It leads to needless misunderstandings and squabbling.

Milton Friedman was pretty far to the right; you could even say extreme right. But there's no suggestion that he had any interest in planting bombs or school shootings.

There are many separate scales. Under the three below, I'd only class the top one as "left/right".

Socialism......Free Market
Libertarianism....Authoritarianism
Globalism.......Nationalism

alastair

tjhook wrote: »

I wish we didn't lump multiple economic and social concepts under the simplistic terms "left" and "right". It leads to needless misunderstandings and squabbling.

Milton Friedman was pretty far to the right; you could even say extreme right. But there's no suggestion that he had any interest in planting bombs or school shootings.

There are many separate scales. Under the three below, I'd only class the top one as "left/right".

Socialism......Free Market
Libertarianism....Authoritarianism
Globalism.......Nationalism

That’s all well and good, but when killers tell you that their motivation is an ideology of the far right, you should listen to them.

SnakePlissken

alastair wrote: »

Seems kinda right-wingey motivations in the mix to me?

The FBI are on record as stating the shooting was not politically motivated, this is not for interpretation to suit the obvious agenda of that Reddit List.

But if you're hung up on the first attack noted on this inaccurate list, why don't we move onto the second attack mentioned, that of the 2017 Las Vegas attack.
If you wish to prescribe to the findings of an unknown Redditor that this attack was a right wing politically motivated attack that's your choice, as for me? I'd rather side with the year long findings of an FBI investigation which found no evidence of such a motive...

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/29/us/las-vegas-massacre-fbi-investigation-ends/index.html

There are right-wing extremists, very much in the minority of the right aligned but they do exist, but whomever compiled this list of attacks was incredibly disingenuous... I'd expect more from such an esteemed source as Reddit.

Burty330

alastair wrote: »

That’s all well and good, but when killers tell you that their motivation is an ideology of the far right, you should listen to them.

Unless a killer declares themselves far left , then its either a case of mental illness or outright dismissal of their political beliefs.

Antifa who he supported are a far left group that openly supports political violence. Their harassment and destruction campaigns have been largely covered up and ignored by the MSM.

banie01

Auguste Comte wrote: »

No sh1t. Does all your hate make you happy?

Don't be silly!

He fúcking hates it!

rossie1977

tjhook wrote: »

I wish we didn't lump multiple economic and social concepts under the simplistic terms "left" and "right". It leads to needless misunderstandings and squabbling.

Milton Friedman was pretty far to the right; you could even say extreme right. But there's no suggestion that he had any interest in planting bombs or school shootings.

There are many separate scales. Under the three below, I'd only class the top one as "left/right".

Socialism......Free Market
Libertarianism....Authoritarianism
Globalism.......Nationalism

Did Friedman continuously pick a group of people of a certain race or religion and say they were the reason for most of society ills?
Was he overly nationalistic?
Did he believe the military is supreme?
Was he overly sexist and believed women were second class citizens?
Did he want a police state?
Did he has distain for human rights against those he didn't like?
Did he think the national media was biased against his viewpoints and should be controlled so that it was no longer critical of him or those he voted for?
Did he believe corporate power should be protected at all cost while labour power should be very much weakened?
Did he believe religion should play a big role in government?
Did he hate other intellectuals involved in science and the arts who didn't agree with his viewpoints?
Did he believe corruption and cronyism were OK as long as it got or kept his guy in power?
Was he accepting of fraudulent elections as long as it got or kept his guy in power?

If he didn't hold most of those feelings then he wasn't extreme right.

alastair

SnakePlissken wrote: »

The FBI are on record as stating the shooting was not politically motivated, this is not for interpretation to suit the obvious agenda of that Reddit List.

I’d love to see this record of the FBI saying the killings were not politically motivated.

alastair

Burty330 wrote: »

Unless a killer declares themselves far left , then its either a case of mental illness or outright dismissal of their political beliefs.

Antifa who he supported are a far left group that openly supports political violence. Their harassment and destruction campaigns have been largely covered up and ignored by the MSM.

Once again - he didn’t declare or demonstrate any political motivation for his killing spree. That’s confirmed by the police. And where is any Antifa activity covered up? Please try and engage with the facts.

Chris_Heilong

How the hell did this become yet another Left v Right debate? The left are not Evil, the Right are not Evil they are just 2 spectrums of perspective trying to do what they believe is 'good'. Someone with mental issues and a gun is all this guy in Germany was.

micosoft

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

The vast majority of all terror attacks are Islamic that is a raw fact.

However evil is evil and whoever did this is evil filth.

Stick and stones will break bones calling bad names should not hurt you but bombs and bullets will kill.

The families on the dead never get over these kind of deaths.

No. No it's not a fact. It's an outrageous lie that gets propagated to frequently by people "who want to say it like it is" but actually just want to repeat claims that are easy to verify as untrue. There is considerable evidence that in the US right wing murder vastly outweighs Islamist. In Europe and other "white countries" it's more of a wash but close. Of course - that requires ignoring the number of Muslims murdered by Western countries especially in the second oil war in Iraq. Because their lives don't matter right?



If we are going to address evil we should probably address the fact that Islamic terror was created by the west going as far back as the creation of Saudi Arabia and the desire for oil or the undermining of Iran and Afghanistan

alastair

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

How the hell did this become yet another Left v Right debate? The left are not Evil, the Right are not Evil they are just 2 spectrums of perspective trying to do what they believe is 'good'. Someone with mental issues and a gun is all this guy in Germany was.

The record of mass shootings has perpetrators from one side of that spectrum rather more than the other. It became a left vs right debate when some decided to try and dissemble this reality.