Should fianna fail and fine gael run in NI ?

handlemaster

Now that Sein Fein have set up camp in the republic is it time for fianna fail and fine gael to set up offices in NI and run in the next election ?

Breakerz

handlemaster wrote: »

Now that Sein Fein have set up camp in the republic is it time for fianna fail and fine gael to set up offices in NI and run in the next election ?

No, they wouldn't stand a chance.

GooglePlus

Why would they, they've no experience there at all or experience in UK government.

handlemaster

GooglePlus wrote: »

Why would they, they've no experience there at all or experience with UK government.

SF any one ?

Hillmanhunter1

Breakerz wrote: »

No, they wouldn't stand a chance.

Perhaps not at first, but with the right policy platform, some cash and some patience, yes the could make inroads.

Not every nationalist is a radical socialist!

handlemaster

GooglePlus wrote: »

Why would they, they've no experience there at all or experience in UK government.

So . When did SF start in the republic?

handlemaster

Think of how good it would be to have either FF or FG representation in British parliament.

Auguste Comte

All the strokes up there are already taken so no point really. Easier to líne their own and their cronies pockets down south.

Yurt2

I'm not sure what they have to offer the people of the North. FG would go around calling evreyone and their mother wasters, put them on a diet of gruel and crackers and move evreyone into tent cities while explaining how great it all is.

Fianna Fáil are a bit like Derek Zoolander when he saw his own reflection in a puddle: "Who am I??"

Drifter50

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handlemaster wrote: »

Now that Sein Fein have set up camp in the republic is it time for fianna fail and fine gael to set up offices in NI and run in the next election ?

Already an tentative agreement between SDLP and FF. I would think FG could team up with Alliance and then they can subsume the NI parties and pursue their own agenda

handlemaster

Yurt! wrote: »

I'm not sure what they have to offer the people of the North. FG would go around calling evreyone and their mother wasters, put them on a diet of gruel and crackers and move evreyone into tent cities while explaining how great it all is.

Fianna Fáil are a bit like Derek Zoolander when he saw his own reflection in a puddle: "Who am I??"

A higher standard of living for a start

Yurt2

handlemaster wrote: »

A higher standard of living for a start

I'd doubt that. You overestimate the abilities of those in FF and FG hugely.

NI's problems are structural and cultural. I doubt what they need is a dose of Regina Doherty or Eamonn O'Cuiv.

handlemaster

Yurt! wrote: »

I'd doubt that. You overestimate the abilities of those in FF and FG hugely.

NI's problems are structural and cultural. I doubt what they need is a dose of Regina Doherty or Eamonn O'Cuiv.

Jobs would solve alot.
Not to mention pushing for a vote for the UK to join Ireland to be controlled from.Dublin

Thinkingaboutit

There's all these Unionist Parties up north. FG would be a bit redundant there.

Turbohymac

I'd go as far as saying the only place ff &fg should run is off the cliffs of moher and let any other mix of parties and independents form the next government.. ff &fg have had their day and even many of their politicians are well past it in relation to their age and their thinking...some actually think it great ..do a quick bit of canvassing..promise to fix the potholes that have been let untouched since the 90s..and all will be well.. at least for them and their large salaries and pensions...

Yurt2

handlemaster wrote: »

Think of how good it would be to have either FF or FG representation in British parliament.

Can't see them taking the oath of allegiance to the crown can you? Well, maybe Charlie Flanagan or John Bruton if he wanted to resurrect his political career.

handlemaster

Yurt! wrote: »

Can't see them taking the oath of allegiance to the crown can you? Well, maybe Charlie Flanagan or John Bruton if he wanted to resurrect his political career.

All fun and games to play the SF way

un5byh7sqpd2x0

Fianna Fáil already do, they’re called the SDLP up there.

Big Ears

Yurt! wrote: »

Can't see them taking the oath of allegiance to the crown can you? Well, maybe Charlie Flanagan or John Bruton if he wanted to resurrect his political career.

Plenty of hardened Republicans took it during the time of the Free State till the Republic was formed.
A 'meaningless oath' is probably how many look at it, I'm sure that's how most SDLP supporters would view it anyway.

nthclare

As long as they run around republican and nationalist areas they'll be safe enough.

I couldn't see them canvassing in Tiger bay or the North Down and Ards areas.

Granadino

Maybe better if parties without the civil war baggage ran up there?
You have to take the oath to get Australian citizenship right? Plenty of Irish obviously had no problem with that...

Yurt2

Granadino wrote: »

Maybe better if parties without the civil war baggage ran up there?
You have to take the oath to get Australian citizenship right? Plenty of Irish obviously had no problem with that...

Actually gave a friend of mine who took Aus citizenship a bit of a ribbing about kissing old Lizzie's ring. Turns out the Aus citizenship pledge contains no reference to the crown when one is naturalising.

https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/citizenship/ceremony/what-is-the-pledge

PeadarCo

Thinkingaboutit wrote: »

There's all these Unionist Parties up north. FG would be a bit redundant there.

So you are saying FG a party whos parent Pro Treaty Sinn Fein agreed to Irish independence and who later as FG were part of a government that declared Ireland a Republic are a unionist party???

Remember a hundred years ago modern day SF, FF and FG were all the same party. NI have the SDLP they don't need another soft nationalist party especially with the FPTP election system for Westminster.

Yurt2

The half-hearted FF attempts at moving into the North I feel is just a party with an identity crisis trying to rediscover itself. I'm not sure most of the membership truly understand what the party stands for any more.

For years it was a vehichle of power for ambitious young pups on the make who would have had relatives still knocking around that fed them stories of the civil war years. Now that living memory is gone, and the party is a little bit of this, a little bit of that, but nothing in particular.

Grab All Association

The Healy Rae’s should run a few of their ilk up there and take their seats in Westminster.

Yurt2

Grab All Association wrote: »

The Healy Rae’s should run a few of their ilk up there and take their seats in Westminster.

Now that I'd pay to see. We'd go from the shmart Alecs above in Dublin, to the shmart Alecs abroad in London.


I see no downsides to this timeline from an entertainment perspective.

James Brown

If they smell money they'll pop up.
When the united Ireland gets the nod them and their pals will be tripping up over themselves setting up quangos and contracts all about reconciliation and unity, chiselers that they are.

James Brown

Grab All Association wrote: »

The Healy Rae’s should run a few of their ilk up there and take their seats in Westminster.

Aren't the DUP just cranky Healy-Rae's?

ooter

both parties/leaders seemed very concerned with stuff like the retirement age and homelessness figures in the north in the recent debates, maybe if they got involved up there they could try and make the necessary changes.