Stolen Tesla Model S (found post 168 )

JohnC.

Is the biscuit tin method good then? I was looking at faraday cage type boxes (rather that than a pouch) for when I get my next car, but if a tin will do...

zg3409

ted1 wrote: »

One of these : https://m-uk.gearbest.com/personal-protective-equipment/pp_639278.html

3 euro a month with a V Sim from Vodafone. Would they keep GSM blocker in after removing the Tesla one ?

Just beware much of the Chinese stuff with no reviews are just rubbish. You need a way to display and activate the location, many of these are SMS and have no gps and just send you the ID not location of the cell tower they hear. Ideally they have a battery themselves and connect to 12v battery too.

Doctors room ghost

JohnC. wrote: »

Is the biscuit tin method good then? I was looking at faraday cage type boxes (rather that than a pouch) for when I get my next car, but if a tin will do...

The tin is grand and you get to eat the biscuits.win win

ted1

zg3409 wrote: »

There are other really expensive trackers that use non sim card systems but these are normally reserved for high value targets such as supercars

Sigfox doesn’t use Sim and is low cost

There’s a whole host of them available

Strumms

Last year my aunt had her car nicked from Malahide too, outside her front door also, it was just a focus and a couple of years old but she was informed by the Gardai that it was 90% certain to be a criminal gang operating from Darndale who’d be stealing cars in North County Dublin to order. The car was recovered but her confidence was knocked by it (she’s 83) and she is selling and giving up driving.

Nuphor

Related - I saw someone mention on a FB conversation recently that disconnecting and reconnecting the 12v battery would disable pin-to-drive. Bit worrying if true.

unkel

peposhi wrote: »

My OHs keys will defo be there... there’s less than 1% chance that my keys are in the box. I have forgotten them in the car a couple of time!!!

Are you the wife or the husband? :pac:

AmberGold

Nuphor wrote: »

Related - I saw someone mention on a FB conversation recently that disconnecting and reconnecting the 12v battery would disable pin-to-drive. Bit worrying if true.

Yikes

Ubbquittious

I'll keep my eyes peeled for it

Sorry to hear about that OP but at least it's just a car and nothing happened you or your family.

They could burn my car for all I care and I wouldn't care what car it was as long as my family is safe.

As others have said, pin or not, if they want the car that badly you risk them breaking into the house and you don't want that.

Soarer

Absolute sickener OP.

Beautiful looking car.

copeyhagen

little update, the guards reckon they pulled the sim card straight out and also used a gps blocker, hence why tesla cant see it and neither can i.

cars well gone at this stage

ted1

copeyhagen wrote: »

little update, the guards reckon they pulled the sim card straight out and also used a gps blocker, hence why tesla cant see it and neither can i.

cars well gone at this stage

Do they connect to free WiFi spots? Might be added security if they do. Imagine the car parked outside a shop/ cafe and connecting to send it’s gps and internal camera shots.

mouthful

copeyhagen wrote: »

little update, the guards reckon they pulled the sim card straight out and also used a gps blocker, hence why tesla cant see it and neither can i.

cars well gone at this stage

Thank you for sharing all that information- I hope the insurance steps up and you are able to source another-

Question is this, if OP gets another Model S, could these thieves try this again at the same address do you think ?

What could be done to prevent this happening again ? proper steering lock ? secure the premises with wall and gate ?

Invest in shotgun and learn how to use it ? although in Ireland you have no right to defend the outside of your house isn't that correct ? so anyone can do anything outside and you got no right to defend it, great country.

You would have to secure the shotgun in the house of course, if someone did come inside then it's a different story. You now have the right to use lethal force, where as not long ago you didn't really have that right and could be sued if you hurt an intruder, is that still the case where and intruder gets injured by you trying to defend your family or he injures himself with glass breaking a window for instance, they could sue the homeowner in the past but did they not change this law not long ago ?

Sabre Man

ted1 wrote: »

Do they connect to free WiFi spots? Might be added security if they do. Imagine the car parked outside a shop/ cafe and connecting to send it’s gps and internal camera shots.

Not without a SIM card.

If it's your own car you can manually connect to free Wi-Fi, just like you would to your home Wi-Fi.

corminators

Deleted User wrote: »

Question is this, if OP gets another Model S, could these thieves try this again at the same address do you think ?

What could be done to prevent this happening again ? proper steering lock ? secure the premises with wall and gate ?

Pin to drive as already mentioned in the thread?
Faraday cage box or bag for keys as already mentioned in the thread?

corminators

corminators wrote: »

Pin to drive as already mentioned in the thread?
Faraday cage box or bag for keys as already mentioned in the thread?

Someone said the pin to drive might be disabled by disconnecting the 12V Battery ?

Cage and box for keys is not going to do anything if the thieves want the car no matter what. All they then have to do is smash a window and they're in and what do you do if giving them the key is not enough and they want to do harm ?

Wouldn't it be easy to fit a separate GPS tracking device that the thieves wouldn't be aware of ?

Imagine the look on their faces when the cops pull them over.

Atlantic Dawn

Deleted User wrote: »

Wouldn't it be easy to fit a separate GPS tracking device that the thieves wouldn't be aware of ?

Imagine the look on their faces when the cops pull them over.

Most thieves going down the route of capturing the key signal and using the ODB port to rob the car will be carrying GSM signal blockers.

Atlantic Dawn

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Most thieves going down the route of capturing the key signal and using the ODB port to rob the car will be carrying GSM signal blockers.

Yeah never though about GPS needing GSM.

Then perhaps an explosive device than can be activated by driving the car over sensor in the driveway, of course you'd want to make sure it was deactivated before you get in

It would be good if there was something like that though, something that could deactivate the car if it driven over a sensor or passed by a sensor in the driveway.

copeyhagen

i bought a twin pack of the rfid blocker wallets from amazon yesterday, think it was a tenner delivered.

pin to drive can possibly be disabled, the rfid with the pin to drive would hopefully be enough to deter them.

shes talking aout getting garden walls and everything now!

as said, at the end of the day, it was only a car, it was my dream car that took me ages to find, ages to wait for, family trip over to pick it up and these scrotes take it, but thats what insurance is for

irishevo8

Why dont you just go old school and put a disklok on the steering wheel and a ram bar behind the car , , it takes time to remove these and would be quite noisy, a extra deterrent if nothing else

copeyhagen

copeyhagen wrote: »

i bought a twin pack of the rfid blocker wallets from amazon yesterday, think it was a tenner delivered.

pin to drive can possibly be disabled, the rfid with the pin to drive would hopefully be enough to deter them.

shes talking aout getting garden walls and everything now!

as said, at the end of the day, it was only a car, it was my dream car that took me ages to find, ages to wait for, family trip over to pick it up and these scrotes take it, but thats what insurance is for :(

Yep I feel for you mate but at the end of the day a car is just a thing that can be replaced, you can't replace your family.

On a positive note, you can plan your next trip with your family you are blessed to have all safe and well.

Best of luck with the car hunting, a new thread topic for that !

Lumen

irishevo8 wrote: »

Why dont you just go old school and put a disklok on the steering wheel and a ram bar behind the car , , it takes time to remove these and would be quite noisy, a extra deterrent if nothing else

I dunno, there comes a point with security that it's so intrusive that it can ruin your enjoyment of the thing.

irishevo8

Lumen wrote: »

I dunno, there comes a point with security that it's so intrusive that it can ruin your enjoyment of the thing.

I agree but for the sake of maybe €300 at least your toy will be still outside the house in the morning , If i had just spent 50k + on a car i would take every security option available to protect my pride and joy

scamalert

now its **** to hear such news and imagine frustration, but i thought that loophole where rfid to lock unlock car changes every time, as its been discovered almost over decade ago, so technically if someone grabs a code it should be useless, only thing that comes to mind, that its possible to grab one before its registered, meaning owner locks twice thinking they didnt press button, that way system dont register the spare code.




quite interesting and shows most likely tried and tested thieves, as id imagine by now its loaded to Africa or some other place on the globe, since otherwise would be matter of time before someone got it and eventually tesla would pick it up.

thou dont agree on streeting lock, if one splashes over 50k, and you still need to treat it like a bike, which lets be honest would be pain in the butt.

AndyBoBandy

We’re picking up a Model 3 in 3 weeks and I’ve come to the conclusion that Pin to Drive will be activated before we even leave the showroom, and we won’t be using ‘auto unlock’ for our phones either. We’ll make do with the 2 card keys they supply.

Is there a way I wonder to geo disable auto unlock when at home? As I’d like to be able to use the feature when out and about, but just not have it active when the car is in the driveway.

mloc123

irishevo8 wrote: »

I agree but for the sake of maybe €300 at least your toy will be still outside the house in the morning , If i had just spent 50k + on a car i would take every security option available to protect my pride and joy

And then you get up every morning... Go out and remove the bollard and chain etc... Some evening you get home and can't be arsed standing in the rain locking a bollard... So you don't bother etc..

hwr5ytu356

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

We’re picking up a Model 3 in 3 weeks and I’ve come to the conclusion that Pin to Drive will be activated before we even leave the showroom, and we won’t be using ‘auto unlock’ for our phones either. We’ll make do with the 2 card keys they supply.

Is there a way I wonder to geo disable auto unlock when at home? As I’d like to be able to use the feature when out and about, but just not have it active when the car is in the driveway.

A very good idea. Passive entry is a great feature. It would be a shame to have to give it up completely.

Lumen

Yeah, I'm going stick on pin to drive and leave it at that.

Basic two-factor authentication.

Maybe Tesla should put an RFID reader inside the car, integrated with the wireless charging pad that isn't there. :pac:

scamalert

the entire purpose of geo fencing that it works within certain radius designated, not outside it. id imagine theres security measures that could double the protection. As thinking from technical perspective something that would allow remote start but only engage into drive when immobilizer is actually within feet or so would prevent anyone gaining access just by remote sniffing.

passatman86

Sorry to hear about the car theft.
Was just thinking op said the thieves got in and out in no time.. Its 2020 and cars with all this tech are been stolen in the same speed as a 90's Honda if not quicker. You would imagine in this day and age these cars would be impossible to steal. Op hope you get sorted with insurance and are happy with your replacement.

markpb

passatman86 wrote: »

Sorry to hear about the car theft.
Was just thinking op said the thieves got in and out in no time.. Its 2020 and cars with all this tech are been stolen in the same speed as a 90's Honda if not quicker. You would imagine in this day and age these cars would be impossible to steal. Op hope you get sorted with insurance and are happy with your replacement.

Security did get better but convenience diminishes security.

Nedved85

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

We’re picking up a Model 3 in 3 weeks and I’ve come to the conclusion that Pin to Drive will be activated before we even leave the showroom, and we won’t be using ‘auto unlock’ for our phones either. We’ll make do with the 2 card keys they supply.

Is there a way I wonder to geo disable auto unlock when at home? As I’d like to be able to use the feature when out and about, but just not have it active when the car is in the driveway.

Sound plan there!

...Ghost...

Deleted User wrote: »

Invest in shotgun and learn how to use it ? although in Ireland you have no right to defend the outside of your house isn't that correct ? so anyone can do anything outside and you got no right to defend it, great country.

Not allowed to use a firearm to deter, injure or kill someone. They are only to be used for target practice, hunting, or whatever else is declared when applying for license for one.

That said; I can't say how I might react if an intruder was in my home and the shotgun was available.

@ the OP. Sorry about your news. I had my pride and joy stolen years back and it never really leaves your mind. I forgot to lock the car last week and the next morning, I discovered someone had been in there. There was a bit of mess with papers and random items left on the driver seat. The coins we use for trolleys were gone and my phone charger was gone. Could have been a lot worse and it was a friendly reminder to make sure everything is locked in future. It's rare I forget to lock the car at night.

irishevo8

mloc123 wrote: »

And then you get up every morning... Go out and remove the bollard and chain etc... Some evening you get home and can't be arsed standing in the rain locking a bollard... So you don't bother etc..

it takes 30sec's to secure your 50k car , if i had a 50k car i would do everything to secure it , i would even stick a clamp on it at night LOL

...Ghost...

...Ghost... wrote: »

Not allowed to use a firearm to deter, injure or kill someone. They are only to be used for target practice, hunting, or whatever else is declared when applying for license for one.

That said; I can't say how I might react if an intruder was in my home and the shotgun was available.

Not allowed to defend yourself with a shotgun my arse.

What law can tell me I can’t use any means necessary to defend myself or my family ? Especially in the family home.

Hang on bad guys, wait until I call the guards . It will take them 30 mins to get here in the meantime u can do what ur want to us, actually, I’m allowed to use the rolling pin hang on a sec.

Lumen

Deleted User wrote: »

Not allowed to defend yourself with a shotgun my arse.

What law can tell me I can’t use any means necessary to defend myself or my family ? Especially in the family home.

Hang on bad guys, wait until I call the guards . It will take them 30 mins to get here in the meantime u can do what ur want to us, actually, I’m allowed to use the rolling pin hang on a sec.

As I understand it, the law is pretty much common sense. You're allowed to use reasonable force to protect people and property, but not to punish or enact vengeance. If you use deadly force or cause life changing injuries then you're going to have some explaining to do, which is entirely reasonable.

Lumen

Lumen wrote: »

As I understand it, the law is pretty much common sense. You're allowed to use reasonable force to protect people and property, but not to punish or enact vengeance. If you use deadly force or cause life changing injuries then you're going to have some explaining to do, which is entirely reasonable.

It’s not reasonable at all if someone breaks into my home with the intention to cause harm.

A person should be able to defend themselves even by causing death if that’s what the situation demands after all of the intruder doesn’t want to be harmed then he shouldn’t be there in the first place.

Not that I would intentionally hurt anyone out of pleasure but it should be a persons right to cause harm for the reason of protecting himself or his family.

JOHNNYBEGOOD 123

How does phone connect to the car to open. Is it Bluetooth.

What if you turn Bluetooth off at night

liamog

Mod Note: If you want to discuss the finer legal points of "reasonable force", take it over here https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=633

_dof_

The signal boosting attack makes the car think the key (keyfob or phone or whatever) is present beside the car to unlock the door and inside the car to allow it to drive. Once the thieves have driven away a short distance the car will no longer detect the key, so I don't see why the car can't just slow down to a stop when it detects no key inside the car.

A lot (maybe all) keyless entry cars will just beep at the driver to indicate there's no key detected, but they don't stop you driving the car as far as I know.

Lumen

_dof_ wrote: »

The signal boosting attack makes the car think the key (keyfob or phone or whatever) is present beside the car to unlock the door and inside the car to allow it to drive. Once the thieves have driven away a short distance the car will no longer detect the key, so I don't see why the car can't just slow down to a stop when it detects no key inside the car.

A lot (maybe all) keyless entry cars will just beep at the driver to indicate there's no key detected, but they don't stop you driving the car as far as I know.

I just did a test on my Kia. Got in the car with key in pocket. Dropped key out of window. Car would not start, flashed light saying key was out of car. Fetched key, started car, dropped key out of window, carried on driving.

So yes, the car will not stop just because the key is out of range.

But the car seems to know the difference between the key being inside or outside of the car.

Sabre Man

_dof_ wrote: »

The signal boosting attack makes the car think the key (keyfob or phone or whatever) is present beside the car to unlock the door and inside the car to allow it to drive. Once the thieves have driven away a short distance the car will no longer detect the key, so I don't see why the car can't just slow down to a stop when it detects no key inside the car.

A lot (maybe all) keyless entry cars will just beep at the driver to indicate there's no key detected, but they don't stop you driving the car as far as I know.

Good suggestion.

You can start your Tesla from the app if you don't have a key, which could be handy in some cases. Your suggestion would renders this feature useless unless you could control this from the app.

italodisco

As much of a nuisance as it is, a decent clamp is worth it.
I had a type s prelude many moons ago, lots of money put into it, hks turbo kit etc.

You could Rob one in under a minute, bend the door frame,, get in, casing off and then back barrel it.

I heard so many stories of civics and accords getting knocked so i bought a clamp from a company in UK, makes the dub city council ones look like paper. Put it on every night. Even on street outside friends homes if staying over.

Also a chain on steering wheel haha

TerraIncognita

Sorry to hear about your theft OP.

Does this issue only affect key fobs?

I don’t have a key fob for my Model 3 but I do use the Bluetooth paired with phone to enter and start the car. Is Bluetooth entry vulnerable to this type of attack?

sk8board

Always terrible to hear. We have keyless cars and use a €5 Bewleys tea caddy for the keys, which works like a charm as a faraday cage (and you get forty cups of tea into the deal!):

We leave it here on the microwave:

mloc123

irishevo8 wrote: »

it takes 30sec's to secure your 50k car , if i had a 50k car i would do everything to secure it , i would even stick a clamp on it at night LOL

Personally.. putting on and taking off a wheel clamp every day to me seems like much more hassle than having to maybe claim insurance on a stolen car.

I bought a car (50k+) 2 years ago... Initially I kept the keys in a small metal container etc.. but if you are gonna spend your life worrying about the what ifs, it is not worth it.

If somebody robs it, they rob it... I'll claim off my insurance and replace it.

NSAman

mloc123 wrote: »

Personally.. putting on and taking off a wheel clamp every day to me seems like much more hassle than having to maybe claim insurance on a stolen car.

I bought a car (50k+) 2 years ago... Initially I kept the keys in a small metal container etc.. but if you are gonna spend your life worrying about the what ifs, it is not worth it.

If somebody robs it, they rob it... I'll claim off my insurance and replace it.

So true, a car can be replaced. It is unfortunate and annoying when you save and take so much time and energy enjoying it. But it is a car.

However, i am amazed that stricter security measures are not implemented on modern cars. I don’t lock the cars here at all and they would be gone in ireland if i did not lock them (very nice cars), but the “threat” of owing a gun here..is the deterrent to the car being stolen.