Gardaí: Provo Army Council oversees PIRA & SF

RandomViewer

1641 wrote: »

The "ultimate goal" is to make the 32 county "socialist republic", which they say was established in 1916 and subsequently betrayed by politicians, a functioning reality with a Sinn Fein/Republican government. They failed/got as far as they could (take your pick) with the military tactic and now they are pursuing it through their political arm - Sinn Fein.


Ultimately they control Sinn Fein and their policies. Do you think Mary Lou would be leader if she wasn't acceptable to the Army Council ? Not a chance.


We saw a practical example of it in the cash for ash scandal. The Sinn Fein Minister (puppet) had to ask Ted Howell's permission to make a ministerial decision. Shows who is in power behind the scenes.

They all have them, they're called SPADs, it's part of the assembly set up, DUP have some very questionable ones but you don't want to hear that

gormdubhgorm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You want them to be 'open and transparent' YET when they are this is something negative?

What bit are you pretending to not understand this time?

Adams and many SF supporters do not disassociate themselves from the IRA.
Much as the Army Council has not dissociated itself from SF.

But I am well aware that his denial of being a member of the IRA was hurtful to many republicans involved in 'the struggle'

I read a book one time about a D4 fella who joined the IRA

http://www.irishnews.com/news/2014/11/27/news/the-middle-class-lad-from-dublin-who-joined-the-ira-solicitor-s-book-tells-of-life-with-provisionals-109119/

South-side Provisional: From Freedom Fighter to the Four Courts by Paul Conway (2014)

I remember he mentioned that if Adams walked out from a burning house he would be able to claim it was like that already and walk away without a scratch.

olestoepoke

RandomViewer wrote: »

If Varadkers caretaker government take Harris' word as truth they must demand the immediatevscrapping of the Stormont executive and the implementation of joint authority. UN peacekeepers on the streets of Belfast by St. Patrick's day to keep loyalists at bay?

Great idea. They will need hard evidence to back up their claims though. For now it suits just to blow smoke up the propaganda machine

gormdubhgorm

is_that_so wrote: »

He got a lot of credit for doing so, especially in the path he ultimately took.

Yep I had great respect for Martin McGuinness because of that, and I even voted for him in Presidential elections because of it.
He was being as honest and as up front as he could be within reason.
Pity the whole of SF is not of the same mindset.

RandomViewer

is_that_so wrote: »

End of the world in the space of two sentences? That's impressive!

It's based on the Conor Cruise O'Brien rant from the News of the World when the cease-fire was declared in 1994, thought I'd throw it out for the craic

Professor Moriarty

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So if you 'know' this you will be able to show us it working. Who are these 'overseers' firstly?

Can you point to a policy or action by a SF TD that has been directed by the Army Council...one where it is evident that it is something the TD doesn't believe themselves?

Any evidence at all of this 'non active activity', 'non operating operating' at all?

Not now. Just order ordering a pint.

FrancieBrady

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

What bit are you pretending to not understand this time?

Adams and many SF supporters do not disassociate themselves from the IRA.

Why would they?

Much as the Army Council has not dissociated itself from SF.

But I am well aware that his denial of being a member of the IRA was hurtful to many republicans involved in 'the struggle'

I read a book one time about a D4 fella who joined the IRA

http://www.irishnews.com/news/2014/11/27/news/the-middle-class-lad-from-dublin-who-joined-the-ira-solicitor-s-book-tells-of-life-with-provisionals-109119/

South-side Provisional: From Freedom Fighter to the Four Courts by Paul Conway (2014)

I remember he mentioned that if Adams walked out from a burning house he would be able to claim it was like that already and walk away without a scratch.

I don't know nor do I care if Adams was in the IRA or not. It would not make the slightest difference to the history of the conflict/war or indeed it's aftermath.

holyhead

As much as I dislike SF the timing of the statement by Drew Harris is curious.

A way for SF to demonstrably break links with the past would be to get the IRA to come clean about its activities in the past. Let all those who disappeared be buried.

It also needs to make it’s internal workings more obvious to the general public.

RandomViewer

holyhead wrote: »

As much as I dislike SF the timing of the statement by Drew Harris is curious.

A way for SF to demonstrably break links with the past would be to get the IRA to come clean about its activities in the past. Let all those who disappeared be buried.

It also needs to make it’s internal workings more obvious to the general public.

Peace and reconciliation commission, All combatants including Irish government would have to air dirty laundry

holyhead

RandomViewer wrote: »

Peace and reconciliation commission, All combatants including Irish government would have to air dirty laundry

I have no problem with that. Let’s not have party to a conflict asking of another what’s it’s not willing to do itself.

On what grounds was the Irish Govt a combatant? This is news to me

is_that_so

RandomViewer wrote: »

Peace and reconciliation commission, All combatants including Irish government would have to air dirty laundry

Which is why it would probably never happen. Far too many questions all round.

gormdubhgorm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Why would they?


I don't know nor do I care if Adams was in the IRA or not. It would not make the slightest difference to the history of the conflict/war or indeed it's aftermath.

You don't care because it kills your whole cognitive dissonance.

If Gerry Adams was in the IRA army council as many believe he is/was.

He is now one of the chief negotiators for SF in it's attempts to form a new government in the dail.
Simply opening your eyes helps in situations like these!

It is of the upmost relevance in my view.

Maewyn Succat

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So if you 'know' this you will be able to show us it working. Who are these 'overseers' firstly?

Can you point to a policy or action by a SF TD that has been directed by the Army Council...one where it is evident that it is something the TD doesn't believe themselves?

Any evidence at all of this 'non active activity', 'non operating operating' at all?

Not a TD..but if they do it up north who's to say they wouldn't do if in power in the Republic.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/a1602f08-30b4-11ea-9703-eea0cae3f0de


"But the nationalist party may also face questions over the scandal. The inquiry heard that before the previous government fell, Máirtín Ó Muilleoir, a former Sinn Féin finance minister, had emailed Ted Howell, an ally of former party leader Gerry Adams who had no official role in the government, about DUP plans to rein in the costs of RHI."

He was basically seeing permission from the army council on how taxpayers money should be spent.

FrancieBrady

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

You don't care because it kills your whole cognitive dissonance.

If Gerry Adams was in the IRA army council as many believe he is/was.

He is now one of the chief negotiators for SF in it's attempts to form a new government in the dail.
Simply opening your eyes helps in situations like these!

It is of the upmost relevance in my view.

I don't believe an Army Council exists anymore gormdubh. Did you miss that bit?

holyhead

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

You don't care because it kills your whole cognitive dissonance.

If Gerry Adams was in the IRA army council as many believe he is/was.

He is now one of the chief negotiators for SF in it's attempts to form a new government in the dail.
Simply opening your eyes helps in situations like these!

It is of the upmost relevance in my view.

His denial puts his credibility at risk. Both Dolours Price and Brendan Hughes, comrades, say he was head of the Belfast brigade and implicate him in the disappearance of Jean McConville. Both Hughes and Price were ridiculed when they spoke out again Adams.

gormdubhgorm

holyhead wrote: »

As much as I dislike SF the timing of the statement by Drew Harris is curious.

A way for SF to demonstrably break links with the past would be to get the IRA to come clean about its activities in the past. Let all those who disappeared be buried.

It also needs to make it’s internal workings more obvious to the general public.

Yep much like what Tommaso Buscetta did with the Scilian Mafia, SF IRA needs to come clean (as much as it can) and help in unresolved republican injustices

Only then will people like me be satisfied, I think the SF tactic is they wait for us to die of natural causes?

smurgen

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

You don't care because it kills your whole cognitive dissonance.

If Gerry Adams was in the IRA army council as many believe he is/was.

He is now one of the chief negotiators for SF in it's attempts to form a new government in the dail.
Simply opening your eyes helps in situations like these!

It is of the upmost relevance in my view.

So when will they all be arrested?

1641

RandomViewer wrote: »

They all have them, they're called SPADs, it's part of the assembly set up, DUP have some very questionable ones but you don't want to hear that

Except Howell was not a SPAD who are on the public payroll are and are officially recognised. Howell was not even a "superspad". These were more shadowy figures, not on the public payroll or recognised. They were retained unofficially. Why? Because the legislation barred anyone with a criminal record from being employed as a Spad. So those with shadowy pasts were retained unofficially.


Ted Howell had no stormont or government role, official or unofficial. Yet O'Muilleoir had to get approval from him to make a ministerial decision. He also consulted on decisions with Padraic Wilson (this one:https://www.lmfm.ie/news/lmfm-news/dpp-considering-ira-membership-charge-against-senior-sinn-fein-adviser/) and Martin Lynch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Lynch,) .


As regards the DUP, I would be be very interested if they were in the run for office here.

Maewyn Succat

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Why would they?


I don't know nor do I care if Adams was in the IRA or not. It would not make the slightest difference to the history of the conflict/war or indeed it's aftermath.

Why is Adams even still around Sinn Fein? He's retired. Imagine if FG started looking to Enda Kenny for advice or FF looked to Bertie Ahern for advice.

Tazz T

Earthhorse wrote: »

Not helpful to whom?

..to the democratic process.

RandomViewer

smurgen wrote: »

So when will they all be arrested?

Same day as Dinny

gormdubhgorm

smurgen wrote: »

So when will they all be arrested?

That is the problem there is no law and order no justice just deflection, and half assed apologies. It is very sad that some people who become indoctrinated in cause that much lose thier humanity. and sense of right and wrong.

FrancieBrady

Maewyn Succat wrote: »

Not a TD..but if they do it up north who's to say they wouldn't do if in power in the Republic.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/a1602f08-30b4-11ea-9703-eea0cae3f0de


"But the nationalist party may also face questions over the scandal. The inquiry heard that before the previous government fell, Máirtín Ó Muilleoir, a former Sinn Féin finance minister, had emailed Ted Howell, an ally of former party leader Gerry Adams who had no official role in the government, about DUP plans to rein in the costs of RHI."

He was basically seeing permission from the army council on how taxpayers money should be spent.

Howell has been an advisor and strategist and a member of the Ard Comhairle of SF for years. There is no secret about that.

Tazz T

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Yep much like what Tommaso Buscetta did with the Scilian Mafia, SF IRA needs to come clean (as much as it can) and help in unresolved republican injustices

Only then will people like me be satisfied, I think the SF tactic is they wait for us to die of natural causes?

People like you won't be satisfied until Gerry Adams is behind bars and SF disbanded. It's nothing about 'coming clean'. It's about getting rid of them to suit your own political agenda.

Every great political movement is born from violence, including yours. That's over now. Time to move on.

dxhound2005

holyhead wrote: »

As much as I dislike SF the timing of the statement by Drew Harris is curious.

Nothing curious about him answering journalists questions. It was not a statement.

lawred2

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Nothing curious about him answering journalists questions. It was not a statement.

No comment is the obvious answer.

He has now politicised his role as the Garda commissioner.

Anyone who doesn't see this is just blinded by their own agendas.

dxhound2005

lawred2 wrote: »

No comment is the obvious answer.

He has now politicised his role as the Garda commissioner.

Anyone who doesn't see this is just blinded by their own agendas.

No harm in knowing what he thinks. I don't see any reason for secrecy.

Harris, speaking to reporters as over 200 new gardaí graduated from Templemore in Tipperary, said that the view of An Garda Síochána “does not differ” from that of the PSNI or British security services.

He said: “In national security matters and matters around the State, it is my obligation to report to the government as you would expect me to do.

“Also, we have been contributing to the IRC (Independent Reporting Commission) reporting on the status of various paramilitary groups and we would hold with their opinion on these matters.

is_that_so

lawred2 wrote: »

No comment is the obvious answer.

He has now politicised his role as the Garda commissioner.

Anyone who doesn't see this is just blinded by their own agendas.

Disappointed with this. No consider his position? It's operational information he's communicating and it's not his fault how tangled the web is/was. It's also not new information.

FrancieBrady

Simon Harris and Cowen getting their asses handed to them by an academic on RTE ATM.

Simon Harris is practically spitting in the corner as she speaks. Bizarre radio.

Maewyn Succat

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Howell has been an advisor and strategist and a member of the Ard Comhairle of SF for years. There is no secret about that.

Would you be ok with a SF minister for finance in the Republic seeking his permission on how to spend taxpayers money if SF were in government?