Gardaí: Provo Army Council oversees PIRA & SF

JohnnyFlash

lawred2 wrote: »

No comment is the obvious answer.

He has now politicised his role as the Garda commissioner.

Anyone who doesn't see this is just blinded by their own agendas.

Nah, dude.

This is what the Shinners are so angry about. They are the only party with links to an illegal criminal organisation and the top brass in the Gardaí are aware of it.

The way to resolve this is to break all links between the RA and SF. Having Adams on the negotiating team shows they don’t want to do that though.

Not a normal party.

dxhound2005

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Simon Harris and Cowen getting their asses handed to them by an academic on RTE ATM.

Simon Harris is practically spitting in the corner as she speaks. Bizarre radio.

I think that SF should be grateful to the media. The papers and broadcasters ran numerous stories which showed up Harris and other Ministers in a bad light. In other countries overstretched health services and expensive property in cities would not even register in the media.

Instead of which SF want to censor them whenever something about their shady past makes the news.

corks finest

Mortelaro wrote: »

Conspiracy forum ---->

Having lived in the 6 counties for 20 years during the troubles as a republican think I'm more qualified to state what I said,if u honestly think little boy that im a conspiracy theorist you're mistaken,and wake up FFS and get real,media have always been controlled to a certain by the state in every country, seriously think RUC man Harris came out with his statement out of the blue?it was times as leo the Langer was failing and MM faltering

corks finest

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Nah, dude.

This is what the Shinners are so angry about. They are the only party with links to an illegal criminal organisation and the top brass in the Gardaí are aware of it.

The way to resolve this is to break all links between the RA and SF. Having Adams on the negotiating team shows they don’t want to do that though.

Not a normal party.

FF linked to criminal bankers for decades

FrancieBrady

Maewyn Succat wrote: »

Would you be ok with a SF minister for finance in the Republic seeking his permission on how to spend taxpayers money if SF were in government?

The question should be:

Am I ok with any Minister taking advise/seeking approval from somebody else within the party.

the answer is an emphatic Yes, because that is how it works in every party. Every organisation I know too, actually.

dxhound2005

corks finest wrote: »

Having lived in the 6 counties for 20 years during the troubles as a republican think I'm more qualified to state what I said,if u honestly think little boy that im a conspiracy theorist you're mistaken,and wake up FFS and get real,media have always been controlled to a certain by the state in every country, seriously think RUC man Harris came out with his statement out of the blue?it was times as leo the Langer was failing and MM faltering

Here is a conspiracy. Last November the Commissoner addressed another passing out ceremony. Which was attended by the media. None of them asked him for his assessment on the status of subversives. But this time they did. I wonder why?

And again it was not a Statement, he was answering journalists questions.

dxhound2005

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The question should be:

Am I ok with any Minister taking advise/seeking approval from somebody else within the party.

the answer is an emphatic Yes, because that is how it works in every party. Every organisation I know too, actually.

Is Ted Howell being paid for his services?

FrancieBrady

lawred2 wrote: »

No comment is the obvious answer.

He has now politicised his role as the Garda commissioner.

Anyone who doesn't see this is just blinded by their own agendas.

I actually think this is what FG and FF hoped would happen. That SF would go all out on an attack on Harris. Harris was furious that Culinane wouldn't do that on the News At One there.

Somebody likened FF/FG to a drunken man at an ATM, repeatedly putting his card in and getting nothing out.

They are gonna have to go 'all in' and 'find' Shergar buried on Mary Lou's lawn.

FrancieBrady

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Is Ted Howell being paid for his services?

No idea. He is openly a member of SF and the Ard Comhairle though.

Maewyn Succat

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The question should be:

Am I ok with any Minister taking advise/seeking approval from somebody else within the party.

the answer is an emphatic Yes, because that is how it works in every party. Every organisation I know too, actually.

Must be hard to dodge questions with your head stuck in the sand.

Ted Howell isn't a member of the party.

timhenn

It's time to get real here. I have no interest in Sinn Féin, they are just like any other party really but the truth about the PIRA needs to be pointed out. They were involved in a war that was horrible just like all wars but the facts are that they were the good guys in that war. Yes, they committed some hideous acts but without them, there would have been a form of ethnic cleansing of nationalists in the 6 counties. People seem to forget that prior to the PIRA even coming into existence, the uvf were planting bombs around the place, the ruc were shooting nationalist children dead, loyalist mobs were driving nationalists from their homes. Do none of you remember the camps set up for nationalists who had to flee their homes?
The british armed forces were brought in, they were meant to restore peace but they went on killing sprees instead. Them, the ruc, the uvf etc formed an alliance that went on to kill over 1,000 innocent nationalists. They partook in a terrorist campaign spanning 3 decades to force Irish people to remain in the uk. The PIRA were the only ones to stand up to them. It's time these facts were recognised and the hypocrisy ended. The old IRA and other groups committed some horrible acts as well. They disappeared over 100 people, including mothers. But they fought against the oppressors and we rightfully celebrate them as heroes. Fighting for the freedom of Irish people is something that should be commended, brave men and women risked their lives for the gain of others. This was true for the freedom fighters of every era for the past centuries. They all committed despicable acts but at the end of the day, they were always on the right side of the fight. They were the good guys.

FrancieBrady

Maewyn Succat wrote: »

Must be hard to dodge questions with your head stuck in the sand.

Ted Howell isn't a member of the party.

Mr Howell, a member of Sinn Féin’s ard chomhairle, had come out of retirement at the request of the late Martin McGuinness to chair a “crisis committee” dealing with the fallout from the botched green energy scheme.

http://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2018/10/24/news/o-muilleoir-consulted-with-senior-republicans-due-to-imploding-peace-process-1467226/

dxhound2005

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I actually think this is what FG and FF hoped would happen. That SF would go all out on an attack on Harris. Harris was furious that Culinane wouldn't do that on the News At One there.

Somebody likened FF/FG to a drunken man at an ATM, repeatedly putting his card in and getting nothing out.

They are gonna have to go 'all in' and 'find' Shergar buried on Mary Lou's lawn.

Just what I always suspected.

smurgen

Yesterday was a poor day for our country what we are witnessing if the bruised ego of FG now doing anything to cling to power. I think in time Varakar, Harris and The commissioner will back track massively on this. Watch the back tracking when they get called out on the details of what was said.

Mortelaro

smurgen wrote: »

Yesterday was a poor day for our country what we are witnessing if the bruised ego of FG now doing anything to cling to power. I think in time Varakar, Harris and The commissioner will back track massively on this. Watch the back tracking when they get called out on the details of what was said.

You are actually wrong there,Leo does not want power
His preferred strategy is opposition and watch the mess unfold
Try again

amadangomor

timhenn wrote: »

It's time to get real here. I have no interest in Sinn Féin, they are just like any other party really but the truth about the PIRA needs to be pointed out. They were involved in a war that was horrible just like all wars but the facts are that they were the good guys in that war. Yes, they committed some hideous acts but without them, there would have been a form of ethnic cleansing of nationalists in the 6 counties. People seem to forget that prior to the PIRA even coming into existence, the uvf were planting bombs around the place, the ruc were shooting nationalist children dead, loyalist mobs were driving nationalists from their homes. Do none of you remember the camps set up for nationalists who had to flee their homes?
The british armed forces were brought in, they were meant to restore peace but they went on killing sprees instead. Them, the ruc, the uvf etc formed an alliance that went on to kill over 1,000 innocent nationalists. They partook in a terrorist campaign spanning 3 decades to force Irish people to remain in the uk. The PIRA were the only ones to stand up to them. It's time these facts were recognised and the hypocrisy ended. The old IRA and other groups committed some horrible acts as well. They disappeared over 100 people, including mothers. But they fought against the oppressors and we rightfully celebrate them as heroes. Fighting for the freedom of Irish people is something that should be commended, brave men and women risked their lives for the gain of others. This was true for the freedom fighters of every era for the past centuries. They all committed despicable acts but at the end of the day, they were always on the right side of the fight. They were the good guys.

Paragraphs are your friend. Your post is unreadable.

dxhound2005

smurgen wrote: »

Yesterday was a poor day for our country what we are witnessing if the bruised ego of FG now doing anything to cling to power. I think in time Varakar, Harris and The commissioner will back track massively on this. Watch the back tracking when they get called out on the details of what was said.

It will soon be forgotten. It was just expressing an opinion that the position as assessed in 2015 has not changed. No surprise there.

smurgen

dxhound2005 wrote: »

It will soon be forgotten. It was just expressing an opinion that the position as assessed in 2015 has not changed. No surprise there.

It's not some random punter expressing an opinion.

timhenn

amadangomor wrote: »

Paragraphs are your friend. Your post is unreadable.

Well obviously unreadable for you. There are 2 paragraphs!

wotzgoingon

amadangomor wrote: »

Paragraphs are your friend. Your post is unreadable.

You are a big fool......

efanton

Mortelaro wrote: »

You are actually wrong there,Leo does not want power
His preferred strategy is opposition and watch the mess unfold
Try again

so he is looking forward to retirement then.
there's no way even FG would stupid enough to put him up front in a future election.

Maybe himself and Martin could be golfing buddies because Martin too will be quickly retired.

Will they have to wait till they are 67 to get their Dail pensions?

dxhound2005

efanton wrote: »

so he is looking forward to retirement then.
there's no way even FG would stupid enough to put him up front in a future election.

Maybe himself and Martin could be golfing buddies because Martin too will be quickly retired.

Will they have to wait till they are 67 to get their Dail pensions?

I wouldn't be surprised if Mary Lou got moved aside. An absolute debacle to go to the country with only 42 candidates, when she needs 80 seats to form a government.

Mortelaro

efanton wrote: »

so he is looking forward to retirement then.
there's no way even FG would stupid enough to put him up front in a future election.

Maybe himself and Martin could be golfing buddies because Martin too will be quickly retired.

Will they have to wait till they are 67 to get their Dail pensions?

I'd say Martin's future is probably shakier than Vradakars
FG have no major appetite to dump someone who can speak competently on practically anything without notes

McMurphy

Mortelaro wrote: »

You are actually wrong there,Leo does not want power
His preferred strategy is opposition and watch the mess unfold
Try again

Will be an interesting new election so, and make no mistake, there will be another one in the coming weeks/month.

Will will be the first party party leader in the history of the state to campaign on a "vote for us to go into opposition" platform because he doesn't want power

is_that_so

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if Mary Lou got moved aside. An absolute debacle to go to the country with only 42 candidates, when she needs 80 seats to form a government.

It was nobody's fault. Based on the local and Euro results it was a pretty sensible call. This "surge" only emerged in the campaign proper, far too late to add anyone else.

horsebox1977

In 2008 the IMC said the IRA is no longer operational and has disbanded its terrorist structures and relinquished the leadership necessary to wage war.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/ira-army-council-no-longer-operational-say-imc-376165.html?fbclid=IwAR0CFvIvUERuNNGRIqmt1IdV-O71xnArDe6j8lLMe2hwuK4UqCDrxoG2m0Y

Yet, 12 years later Leo's bitch comes out and says they otherwise?

Mortelaro

efanton wrote: »

Will they have to wait till they are 67 to get their Dail pensions?

Thats a bit of a red herring
The payment for public representatives in many democracies is designed to compensate them for the fact they could be out of s job in 5 years
Its also supposed to (but doesnt often work) encourage qualified enough people to apply
Otherwise you get people of the calibre of inexperienced rent dodging freeloaders or people who go on foreign holidays during the election etc

is_that_so

Mortelaro wrote: »

I'd say Martin's future is probably shakier than Vradakars
FG have no major appetite to dump someone who can speak competently on practically anything without notes

We'll see both complete this cycle of government/elections. If it's a grand deal both will survive. If it's another election and FF slip more then Martin is gone. Leo should still be able to call time himself regardless.

Mortelaro

McMurphy wrote: »

Will be an interesting new election so, and make no mistake, there will be another one in the coming weeks/month.

No there won't!

Will will be the first party party leader in the history of the state to campaign on a "vote for us to go into opposition" platform because he doesn't want power

You are being silly
He would be going back on pretty much the same basis as before
It wont be happening though
There are several strategies, yes several here that dont involve an election but do involve a 5 year term of boom,house building and nurse recruitment

efanton

Mortelaro wrote: »

Thats a bit of a red herring
The payment for public representatives in many democracies is designed to compensate them for the fact they could be out of s job in 5 years
Its also supposed to (but doesnt often work) encourage qualified enough people to apply
Otherwise you get people of the calibre of inexperienced rent dodging freeloaders or people who go on foreign holidays during the election etc

There's an awful lot of people on zero hours contracts, or constantly uncertain that they will have a job in a years time. Do they get to avail of a pension 'designed to compensate them for the fact they could be out of a job in 5 years'.

The country was completely broke and those two clowns though it would be a great idea to not only increase wages for TD, and ministers but boost their pensions too.

And if they are such high calibre individuals as you claim why would it take them any time at all to get another job?