Gardaí: Provo Army Council oversees PIRA & SF

KWAG2019

This story is simply FG trying to protect their invidious undermining of this Republic. The claims were reinvented for this election because FG and their economic backers do not want any govt of the left. The claims were ended in 2008 by the IMC and in 2015 the CAGS and the then FG Minister for Justice said the PIRA and its structures were gone. So why is this story resurrected now?

FG lost the election for incompetence, arrogance, abuse of the public service, dereliction of their duty to the Defence of the State by their abuse of the Defence Forces and their ideological abandonment of the Irish people to homelessness and a collapsing health service. Profound suspicions of the type of state they were trying to create were stirred by the RIC debacle. They are faced with finishing third to SF and their smug arrogance is shattered and in their lashing out they have damaged AGS. CAGS and their own credibility as being fit for govt. Further, they have subverted the GFA by effectively saying that power sharing in the north must end which is a consequence of their story of the resurrected Army Council. If this evidence of an Army Council is so compelling it must be placed in the public domain immediately. It was not done for GE 2020. Extraordinarily odd.

The tactic now seems to be cynical deflection on an institutional scale. No branch of govt will not be abused, no media outlet unexploited to change the narrative so that grassroots FF and FG are silenced on the grand coalition and that the next election agenda will be fixed in the public mind.

In 1932 as Dev came to power a far greater Taoiseach than Varadkar ensured that the will of the people was honoured and power transferred. An army CoS quashed discussion of unrest by saying the army had fought a civil war to uphold the will of the people and it would again uphold that. FG 2020 are not a party I recognize any more.

dxhound2005

KWAG2019 wrote: »

This story is simply FG trying to protect their invidious undermining of this Republic. The claims were reinvented for this election because FG and their economic backers do not want any govt of the left. The claims were ended in 2008 by the IMC and in 2015 the CAGS and the then FG Minister for Justice said the PIRA and its structures were gone. So why is this story resurrected now?

FG lost the election for incompetence, arrogance, abuse of the public service, dereliction of their duty to the Defence of the State by their abuse of the Defence Forces and their ideological abandonment of the Irish people to homelessness and a collapsing health service. Profound suspicions of the type of state they were trying to create were stirred by the RIC debacle. They are faced with finishing third to SF and their smug arrogance is shattered and in their lashing out they have damaged AGS. CAGS and their own credibility as being fit for govt. Further, they have subverted the GFA by effectively saying that power sharing in the north must end which is a consequence of their story of the resurrected Army Council. If this evidence of an Army Council is so compelling it must be placed in the public domain immediately. It was not done for GE 2020. Extraordinarily odd.

The tactic now seems to be cynical deflection on an institutional scale. No branch of govt will not be abused, no media outlet unexploited to change the narrative so that grassroots FF and FG are silenced on the grand coalition and that the next election agenda will be fixed in the public mind.

In 1932 as Dev came to power a far greater Taoiseach than Varadkar ensured that the will of the people was honoured and power transferred. An army CoS quashed discussion of unrest by saying the army had fought a civil war to uphold the will of the people and it would again uphold that. FG 2020 are not a party I recognize any more.

It was simply the Commissioner answering media questions at a public event. The event was not set up specially for this purpose. If it was next month, there would be nothing in the news now.

fergus1001

Fr_Dougal wrote:

So that’s the official stance of An Gardai, the PSNI, and the UK government.

considering drew Harris is agreeing with his own report from when he was in the psni in 2015 and also the fact that the gardai at the time are on record as saying that they dont believe that the IRA Army council is active in 2015


I would be more concerned with the fact that drew harris is meddling in our politics despite the fact that he is supposed to keep his nose out of it as a public servant of the state

Mortelaro

efanton wrote: »

There's an awful lot of people on zero hours contracts, or constantly uncertain that they will have a job in a years time. Do they get to avail of a pension 'designed to compensate them for the fact they could be out of a job in 5 years'.

The country was completely broke and those two clowns though it would be a great idea to not only increase wages for TD, and ministers but boost their pensions too.

And if they are such high calibre individuals as you claim why would it take them any time at all to get another job?

Put it to you this way
If theres no one competent ,to oversee(no pun intended) the running of the country,they'd have a lot more to worry about than zero hours contracts
A cabinet and national assembly is not similar to a local hall committee
The idea of the remuneration is to attract them from their other jobs
So to answer your question on that score most of them should be able to

suicide_circus

so as things stand, either one of these two things are correct;

a. SF is being directed by former IRA members

or

b. Both police services on the island have shoddy intelligence and/or are involved in a conspiracy against a legitimate political party.


Both scenarios are bad.

FrancieBrady

After at least 5 minutes of trying, this academic finally got making her point about the truth about Drew Harris's statement. Simon Harris in particular trying to constantly shout her down and insult.

https://twitter.com/LNBDublin/status/1231213376421924866

Junkyard Tom

So the IRA are trying to get council houses built in the South?

Do the centrist Dads not realise how stupid they sound?

tayto lover

fergus1001 wrote: »

considering drew Harris is agreeing with his own report from when he was in the psni in 2015 and also the fact that the gardai at the time are on record as saying that they dont believe that the IRA Army council is active in 2015


I would be more concerned with the fact that drew harris is meddling in our politics despite the fact that he is supposed to keep his nose out of it as a public servant of the state

Boards is a funny old place.
Most of the SF supporters on here were delighted when Drew Harris was appointed head of the Gardai.
Now when he gives his opinion on the IRA Army Council they have turned full tilt against him.
It doesn’t take much to change opinions on Boards. That’s why I love it.

IAMAMORON

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Isn't the next question...'Well Drew, tell us how this 'oversight' manifests itself'.

In other words, can you show us the evidence?

I doubt he would be in a position to disclose his sources. But it has been well known for years that there is an MI5 sponsored mole on the army council. How else would they know?

You can be sure that the commissioners of both the PSNI and An Garda Síochána would have access to the names and details.

JohnnyFlash

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I doubt he would be in a position to disclose his sources. But it has been well known for years that there is an MI5 sponsored mole on the army council. How else would they know?

You can be sure that the commissioners of both the PSNI and An Garda Síochána would have access to the names and details.

A Secret History of the IRA by Ed Moloney is a very interesting read into who this M15 mole might be.

is_that_so

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

So the IRA are trying to get council houses built in the South?

Do the centrist Dads not realise how stupid they sound?

What pray tell is this?

olestoepoke

KWAG2019 wrote: »

This story is simply FG trying to protect their invidious undermining of this Republic. The claims were reinvented for this election because FG and their economic backers do not want any govt of the left. The claims were ended in 2008 by the IMC and in 2015 the CAGS and the then FG Minister for Justice said the PIRA and its structures were gone. So why is this story resurrected now?

FG lost the election for incompetence, arrogance, abuse of the public service, dereliction of their duty to the Defence of the State by their abuse of the Defence Forces and their ideological abandonment of the Irish people to homelessness and a collapsing health service. Profound suspicions of the type of state they were trying to create were stirred by the RIC debacle. They are faced with finishing third to SF and their smug arrogance is shattered and in their lashing out they have damaged AGS. CAGS and their own credibility as being fit for govt. Further, they have subverted the GFA by effectively saying that power sharing in the north must end which is a consequence of their story of the resurrected Army Council. If this evidence of an Army Council is so compelling it must be placed in the public domain immediately. It was not done for GE 2020. Extraordinarily odd.

The tactic now seems to be cynical deflection on an institutional scale. No branch of govt will not be abused, no media outlet unexploited to change the narrative so that grassroots FF and FG are silenced on the grand coalition and that the next election agenda will be fixed in the public mind.

In 1932 as Dev came to power a far greater Taoiseach than Varadkar ensured that the will of the people was honoured and power transferred. An army CoS quashed discussion of unrest by saying the army had fought a civil war to uphold the will of the people and it would again uphold that. FG 2020 are not a party I recognize any more.

A great post

FrancieBrady

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I doubt he would be in a position to disclose his sources. But it has been well known for years that there is an MI5 sponsored mole on the army council. How else would they know?

You can be sure that the commissioners of both the PSNI and An Garda Síochána would have access to the names and details.

The existence of an operating Army Council breaks the provisions of the GFA.
If they have evidence why have no arrests been made?

Why have the Irish government as guarantors of the GFA turned a blind eye to this.

You cannot have it every which way here.

olestoepoke

dxhound2005 wrote: »

It was simply the Commissioner answering media questions at a public event. The event was not set up specially for this purpose. If it was next month, there would be nothing in the news now.

Dont kid yourself by thinking it was not planned

IAMAMORON

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The existence of an operating Army Council breaks the provisions of the GFA.
If they have evidence why have no arrests been made?

Why have the Irish government as guarantors of the GFA turned a blind eye to this.

You cannot have it every which way here.

If they make arrests the mole gets flushed out. That would put away years of past intelligence and years of future intelligence. Why bother?

Junkyard Tom

is_that_so wrote: »

What pray tell is this?

"Centrist dads are middle-aged men who cannot come to terms with the world and politics changing," Matt Zarb-Cousin,

spakman

I see the shinnerbots have got their orders from HQ.
Get the word out that it's all a conspiracy between FF, FG & the Gardaí.
Never mind that the election is over and that if FF/FG wanted to do this they'd have done it during the campaign when it could have helped them!

limnam

spakman wrote: »

if FF/FG wanted to do this they'd have done it during the campaign when it could have helped them!

They probably didn't know at that point how precarious their situation was

Any idea why it was asked 5 years after ?

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

After at least 5 minutes of trying, this academic finally got making her point about the truth about Drew Harris's statement. Simon Harris in particular trying to constantly shout her down and insult.

https://twitter.com/LNBDublin/status/1231213376421924866

About the third tweet down from her profile,there is the following, see attached

I have to ask the esteemed academic 'where is the evidence' or indeed maybe the SF T.D for Roscommon should be asking her

After see'ing that ,Enough said,she's going on about beliefs being wrong when she advocates a shakier one than a man standing on the tracking tester down at the local NCT centre


NEXT....... !

mynamejeff

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The existence of an operating Army Council breaks the provisions of the GFA.
If they have evidence why have no arrests been made?

Why have the Irish government as guarantors of the GFA turned a blind eye to this.

You cannot have it every which way here.

your right they have breached the GFAA

all those terrorists scumbags who wormed their way out of jail should be rearrested and made to serve their sentences in full .

would slash crime rates along the boarder and in other parts of the county too

dxhound2005

olestoepoke wrote: »

Dont kid yourself by thinking it was not planned

The time that it was planned, there would have been no expectation that Mary Lou McDonald would be putting herself forward to be Taoiseach, in the days before it happened. Nobody at Templemore knew what the election results would be. The election might not have been announced, when the passing out ceremony was put on the calendar.

Now that she has, it is no surprise to me that journalists would ask the questions they did.

olestoepoke

Mortelaro wrote: »

About the third tweet down from her profile,there is the following, see attached

I have to ask the esteemed academic 'where is the evidence' or indeed maybe the SF T.D for Roscommon should be asking her

After see'ing that ,Enough said,she's going on about beliefs being wrong when she advocates a shakier one than a man standing on the tracking tester down at the local NCT centre


NEXT....... !

She makes a valid point though, where is the evidence?

is_that_so

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

"Centrist dads are middle-aged men who cannot come to terms with the world and politics changing," Matt Zarb-Cousin,

I see. So it's basically an empty piece of soundbyte crap that labels and insults a whole block of voters, from a twenty-something former political spokesperson. Is is any wonder Corbyn lost with that standard of genius?!

smurgen

tayto lover wrote: »

Boards is a funny old place.
Most of the SF supporters on here were delighted when Drew Harris was appointed head of the Gardai.
Now when he gives his opinion on the IRA Army Council they have turned full tilt against him.
It doesn’t take much to change opinions on Boards. That’s why I love it.

Most FG supporters are funny too.before they were lambasting SF for not restarting the government in the north and getting into government with the DUP now they're terrorists that must be stopped getting into government in the south.

Mortelaro

smurgen wrote: »

Most FG supporters are funny too.before they were lambasting SF for not restarting the government in the north and getting into government with the DUP now they're terrorists that must be stopped getting into government in the south.

You forget that FG are consistent on their opposition to SF in government in the Republic and why
They arent all over the place on it which is where your point falls down (a huge cliff)

smurgen

spakman wrote: »

I see the shinnerbots have got their orders from HQ.
Get the word out that it's all a conspiracy between FF, FG & the Gardaí.
Never mind that the election is over and that if FF/FG wanted to do this they'd have done it during the campaign when it could have helped them!

The establishment seems unable to tell the truth. People are now cynical en masses to fg claims.they need to dig down up not down deeper.

tayto lover

smurgen wrote: »

Most FG supporters are funny too.before they were lambasting SF for not restarting the government in the north and getting into government with the DUP now they're terrorists that must be stopped getting into government in the south.

Exactly why I don’t have a lot of time for followers of parties.
They always toe the party line regardless.
I prefer to make my own decisions.

Kivaro

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

"Centrist dads are middle-aged men who cannot come to terms with the world and politics changing," Matt Zarb-Cousin,

Presume you mean white too.
It's always the white men.

dxhound2005

smurgen wrote: »

The establishment seems unable to tell the truth. People are now cynical en masses to fg claims.they need to dig down up not down deeper.

Sinn Fein became part of the establishment when they recognised the legitimacy of the Oireachtas.

Sinn Féin split in 1986, as in 1970, over whether to take seats in Dáil Éireann. The larger group led by Gerry Adams abandoned abstentionism, while Republican Sinn Féin (RSF), led by Ruairí Ó Brádaigh, retained it. Sinn Féin's first sitting Teachta Dála was Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin, elected in Cavan–Monaghan in 1997.

FrancieBrady

olestoepoke wrote: »

She makes a valid point though, where is the evidence?

They have a 'mole' in this Army Council apparently, who cannot produce a scintilla of evidence that would put them in jail. The same way they had 'infiltrated SF and the IRA at every level' but were never able to produce a piece of evidence to show Adams was the head of the IRA in Belfast.
The proof of all this seems to be a flimsy connection to an MLA asking a member of the Ard Comhairle for his opinion on a political move.

You'd want some 'suspension of disbelief' to be buying into this nonsense.