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Gardaí: Provo Army Council oversees PIRA & SF

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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,100 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    They have a 'mole' in this Army Council apparently, who cannot produce a scintilla of evidence that would put them in jail. The same way they had 'infiltrated SF and the IRA at every level' but were never able to produce a piece of evidence to show Adams was the head of the IRA in Belfast.
    The proof of all this seems to be a flimsy connection to an MLA asking a member of the Ard Comhairle for his opinion on a political move.

    You'd want some 'suspension of disbelief' to be buying into this nonsense. :)

    I read that Ted Howell introduced the mole Donaldson into the inner circles of Gerry Adams. Maybe Ted put this other one in place as well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭1641


    MacDonald in government would be no more able to make independent decisions without getting the ok from "former senior republicans" than O'Muilleoir was in Belfast. After all she would only be a Minister in the "Free State" or "the South", so naturally she would have to follow the instructions coming from the legitimate government of the "socialist republic" as was founded in 1916. According to the IRA constitution the legitimate government of this Republic (not to be confused with the southern statelet) is the Army Council. Nicely they have said that they can "delegate" some of their powers so that is OK.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭1641


    An example of a Sinn Fein puppet finance minister:

    "Texts and emails in late January 2017 show that minister for finance Máirtín Ó Muilleoir had to get approval from unelected senior republican Ted Howell, better known for being an IRA go-between in the 1990s..
    Ó Muilleoir had been asked to approve a plan to slash the costs of a scheme that by then had been closed to new entrants for almost a year, but officials fretted that he was taking too long.
    Fearing that efforts to bring RHI under control would fail, David Sterling, then the civil service head in Finance and now Northern Ireland’s most senior official, told a fellow mandarin by text that he feared Ó Muilleoir was “acting under instruction”.
    Despite being urged by officials to accept the curbs , Ó Muilleoir also consulted with senior former IRA members such as Padraic Wilson and Martin Lynch, who have no elected role and are largely unknown to the public.
    Ó Muilleoir told the inquiry that Howell had been “brought back to chair a crisis committee” for Sinn Féin but insisted that he was only consulting him “about the timing” of his decision, not about what the decision should be.
    No one involved was an expert in renewable energy, finance or law, yet they were in pole position as Ó Muilleoir considered proposals to retrospectively slash subsidies that had been promised for 20 years."


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/silos-secrecy-and-quiet-deals-how-dysfunction-became-stormont-s-norm-1.3756468


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭1641


    McGuinness probably didn't have to consult as this would have involved chatting to himself among others. I don't think this applies to MacDonald.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Leo Varadkar and Simon Coveney spent weeks in Belfast urging the shinners to go into govt with the DUP, despite knowing the IRA army council directed the shinners, and the shinners must do as they're bid.

    Is this some mad plot to destroy Westminster from within, that FG are fully complicit in:confused:

    Will this thread be getting shunted to the conspiracy theories forum or what?:D


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  • Registered Users Posts: 69,184 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    1641 wrote: »
    McGuinness probably didn't have to consult as this would have involved chatting to himself among others. I don't think this applies to MacDonald.

    ...and the shark gets jumped. :):)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    They have a 'mole' in this Army Council apparently, who cannot produce a scintilla of evidence that would put them in jail. The same way they had 'infiltrated SF and the IRA at every level' but were never able to produce a piece of evidence to show Adams was the head of the IRA in Belfast.
    The proof of all this seems to be a flimsy connection to an MLA asking a member of the Ard Comhairle for his opinion on a political move.

    You'd want some 'suspension of disbelief' to be buying into this nonsense. :)

    I don't know why your shocked by this Francie. I mean it makes sense does it not?

    The intelligence game is a murky one. When you look at the top of the pale of water you see your reflection but when you look inside everything becomes cloudy, but it is still the same bucket of water, is it not?

    Do you honestly think that the security forces turned around once the GFA was signed and said "great it looks like the war is over now" ?

    Did they phuck. In fact you would have to commend them for getting their mole in without the AC coping on. Someone fell asleep there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 69,184 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    I don't know why your shocked by this Francie. I mean it makes sense does it not?

    The intelligence game is a murky one. When you look at the top of the pale of water you see your reflection but when you look inside everything becomes cloudy, but it is still the same bucket of water, is it not?

    Do you honestly think that the security forces turned around once the GFA was signed and said "great it looks like the war is over now" ?

    Did they phuck. In fact you would have to commend them for getting their mole in without the AC coping on. Someone fell asleep there.

    The AC didn't know...but you do. :):)

    This just gets more and more bizarre.


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,971 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Will be an interesting new election so, and make no mistake, there will be another one in the coming weeks/month.

    Will will be the first party party leader in the history of the state to campaign on a "vote for us to go into opposition" platform because he doesn't want power:confused:

    Silly post, you know he wouldn’t campaign on that basis.

    There will be a FF/FG/Greens coalition with maybe the Soc Dems as well. Harris has given the Greens an excuse.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,100 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The AC didn't know...but you do. :):)

    This just gets more and more bizarre.

    Whenever they find out, there will be a body on the roadside.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Leo Varadkar and Simon Coveney spent weeks in Belfast urging the shinners to go into govt with the DUP, despite knowing the IRA army council directed the shinners, and the shinners must do as they're bid.

    Is this some mad plot to destroy Westminster from within, that FG are fully complicit in:confused:

    Will this thread be getting shunted to the conspiracy theories forum or what?:D

    Nope
    Westminster dont care who is in government in NI or a hoot about the place at all currently
    As I said a few times...once more for posterity, FG,FF,Labour and quite a few more have been nothing but consistent as to why they're ok with SF being in a local authority style government whose purse strings are controlled by London
    Versus being in a national government with purse string,economy wrecking powers and being in a cabinet where current justice decisions are discussed that might be pertinent to comrades of SF

    It's that simple
    It's that transparent and
    It's that consistent


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    If they make arrests the mole gets flushed out. That would put away years of past intelligence and years of future intelligence. Why bother?

    It's moles, plural. Possibly even a majority. It's much better long term strategy to leave all moles in place, and control the council that way. Dismantling it, just prompts the creation of a new one, potentially with no agents of the Crown in it at all.

    This is what prompts the double whammy undemocratic element of SF being involved in government in the state being effective control by both unelected terrorists, and, agents of the UK.

    The sad thing being that the people putting the state at this risk by voting SF, were taken in by the spiel that they were voting for more effective reform of housing and health policy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 69,184 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Whenever they find out, there will be a body on the roadside.

    They STILL haven't found out but all you guys know? :):)

    If they are that stupid they are hardly a threat so. :D:D


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭1641


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Leo Varadkar and Simon Coveney spent weeks in Belfast urging the shinners to go into govt with the DUP, despite knowing the IRA army council directed the shinners, and the shinners must do as they're bid.

    Is this some mad plot to destroy Westminster from within, that FG are fully complicit in:confused:

    Will this thread be getting shunted to the conspiracy theories forum or what?:D



    After 40 years of conflict, murder and violence, NI has had to accept a lot to get peace - or, at least, a semblance of peace. This includes Sinn Fein involvement in Government. The alternative is that they would wreck it from the outside. Yes, this means accepting the secretive influence of the Army Council.


    Sorry, I do not want their involvement in the government of our Republic (not the "free state"). When the shady backroom guys go, it is a different matter. This is a soverneign independent state. NI is not. Or "six counties" as "the boys" would have it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 69,184 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    1641 wrote: »
    After 40 years of conflict, murder and violence, NI has had to accept a lot to get peace - or, at least, a semblance of peace. This includes Sinn Fein involvement in Government. The alternative is that they would wreck it from the outside. Yes, this means accepting the secretive influence of the Army Council.


    Sorry, I do not want their involvement in the government of our Republic (not the "free state"). When the shady backroom guys go, it is a different matter. This is a soverneign independent state. NI is not. Or "six counties" as "the boys" would have it.

    Involvement with a 'government' that has turned a blind eye to 'secretive influence' and illegal flouting of an international agreement they have signed and are guarantors of?

    And you want us to trust this 'government'.

    Have you taken complete leave of your senses?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    Involvement with a 'government' that has turned a blind eye to 'secretive influence' and illegal flouting of an international agreement they have signed and are guarantors of?

    And you want us to trust this 'government'.

    Have you taken complete leave of your senses?

    Rabbit in a hat tricks Francie, I am gobsmacked the RA weren't wide to that one. Very sloppy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Kivaro wrote: »
    Presume you mean white too.
    It's always the white men.

    No that's the American culture war that Irish oddballs feel invested in.

    https://twitter.com/mralistairgreen/status/1225370263262547970


  • Registered Users Posts: 69,184 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    Rabbit in a hat tricks Francie, I am gobsmacked the RA weren't wide to that one. Very sloppy.

    I'm gobsmacked too.

    At the ludicrious stuff people believe. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Auguste Comte


    blanch152 wrote: »

    There will be a FF/FG/Greens coalition with maybe the Soc Dems as well. Harris has given the Greens an excuse.

    I wonder which of them would survive. My 50p would be on the FF'rs, there just that bit better at the cute hoorism.

    Will be great to watch as long as you're not suffering from the housing crisis, health crisis etc.

    A Dáil to the death you might say.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Silly post, you know he wouldn’t campaign on that basis.

    There will be a FF/FG/Greens coalition with maybe the Soc Dems as well. Harris has given the Greens an excuse.

    Blanch you haven't been keeping up to speed with recent developments.

    https://twitter.com/NextIrishGE/status/1231165426211659776?s=19


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Silly post, you know he wouldn’t campaign on that basis.

    There will be a FF/FG/Greens coalition with maybe the Soc Dems as well. Harris has given the Greens an excuse.

    Won't.

    https://twitter.com/SocDems/status/1231210862976864257?s=19


  • Registered Users Posts: 327 ✭✭horsebox1977


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  • Registered Users Posts: 69,184 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Blanch you haven't been keeping up to speed with recent developments.

    https://twitter.com/NextIrishGE/status/1231165426211659776?s=19

    Eamonn Ryan didn't sound too enthusiastic either this AM


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Why is Adams even still around Sinn Fein? He's retired. Imagine if FG started looking to Enda Kenny for advice or FF looked to Bertie Ahern for advice.

    Bertie is still a go to man in FF


  • Registered Users Posts: 803 ✭✭✭woohoo!!!




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Eamonn Ryan didn't sound too enthusiastic either this AM

    Yeah I don't think Ryan is going to be jumping in two feet first to be hung out to dry by any of the other two anytime soon.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,234 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    So what colour shirts should attendees wear?
    Sinn Féin organising public rallies to bring 'government for change to the people'

    [url] https://jrnl.ie/5018083[/url]

    I purposely chose a non RTE link to cut off the moronic RTE conspiracy before it starts.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭1641


    Hurrache wrote: »
    So what colour shirts should attendees wear?
    https://jrnl.ie/5018083

    .


    Camouflage.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,234 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    1641 wrote: »
    Camouflage.

    It'll be cold too so some good head wear they may also recommend. A nice beret perhaps, or a wooly hat, 3 holes are recommended.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Hurrache wrote: »
    So what colour shirts should attendees wear?



    [url] https://jrnl.ie/5018083[/url]

    I purposely chose a non RTE link to cut off the moronic RTE conspiracy before it starts.
    I do hope they start with some basic political arithmetic at these Trumpian things. All sounds very South American, railing against a legitimate election by people unhappy it didn't turn out their way.


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